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#1051 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2018-01-29 23:00:12
greenjeans wrote:New Vuu-do Openbox-64 versions uploaded [...] hope y'all enjoy it!
enjoying vuudo-64-ob-minimal.
I ve been using linux since 2004 but for the first time I didnt have to remove or replace anything after installing from liveCD.
just added my favourite web browser and media player.
no scan/print/chat/office/pulseaudio/qt or other rubbish but still fully functional 'desktop environment' with handful of proper tools.
thank you for your work. planning ascii edition?
Awesome, glad you are enjoying it, the minimals are the reason I do this in the first place, I like to start my own systems with a nice clean slate like that, and had a hard time finding distros that offered a minimal version..
Absolutely going to do an Ascii as soon as there's an official stable release, but i'm going to continue to update/maintain the jessie branch of Vuu-do as everything in it is LTS anyway, will probably be uploading some updated iso's in fact this week, with the meltdown-patched kernel and some other updates and a few bug-fixes.
#1052 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do and Miyo why isn't Alt-f Alt-e not working? » 2018-01-26 23:32:55
I also noticed that refracta-installer was on the list to be upgraded, check your version before next issue.
Thanks for heads-up, looks like some new versions of the base packages for snapshot and installer.
I think new GUI packages are forthcoming too but haven't spoken to FSR in a while, i've been in and out and busy a lot through the holidays, starting to catch up on my 'nix now. 
I am using highly hacked and butchered versions in Vuu-do, lol, I re-did all the yad dialogues in both gui scripts, it's very pretty now IMO but don't know if they'll make the cut.
But for sure, if you use Vuu-do, be sure and remember that the Refracta-tools have been modded extensively to be Vuu-do specific, the excludes files, conf files, the scripts themselves etc. There's also some changes in the live config stuff that works with Refracta to make the magic happen. So if you are using Vuu-do just as a base to make something very different, you may need to do a lot of editing, or just re-install the packages and start fresh.
#1053 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do and Miyo why isn't Alt-f Alt-e not working? » 2018-01-25 20:54:16
Just checked and the alt+e works in Vuu-do's text editor.
Alt+f has been re-mapped to open the file manager, easy enough to change it if you like. I use F on that one because it's easy to remember that way F(ile manager), T for terminal etc.
#1054 Re: Other Issues » Meltdown and Spectre » 2018-01-11 22:14:03
Well I did the update just now, reloading Synaptic just showed the Linux image metapackage and one other as upgradable, not the kernel itself, but when I upgraded the two packages it installed the new kernel but in addition to the older kernel, so now have two. I assume the older can be deleted but just wondering why it didn't do it as an upgrade instead?
#1055 Re: Off-topic » A/2017 U1 = First Detection of Interstellar Body » 2018-01-07 23:41:23
Why are all the instruments searching for intelligent life pointing away from earth?
Because there's not much of it here?
lol!
#1056 Re: Off-topic » A/2017 U1 = First Detection of Interstellar Body » 2018-01-07 21:34:39
We should ( by theory) be swimming In ET EM signitures, we are not.
They're all using sub-space for communications.
Live long and prosper!
#1057 Re: Other Issues » Meltdown and Spectre » 2018-01-07 20:59:28
All AMD here for last dozen years, but I guess Spectre still applies...looks like it may be a difficult fix?
#1058 Hardware & System Configuration » Question about the package "ACPI-support" and asus, sony, toshiba » 2018-01-06 21:36:41
- greenjeans
- Replies: 3
So i'm wondering if I should add this package to the next Vuu-do, it apparently offers some additional options in power management, suspend, hibernation etc., and also supports some keyboard controls, volume up/down etc.
Problem is I don't have a way to know if any of it works or is needed, it is for Asus, Sony, Toshiba laptops mainly from what I can tell, and all my current hardware is HP/Compaq.
This is part of an ongoing effort to fix some power management issues, configure behavior when you close laptop lid, and enable any hotkeys and such.
If anybody has experience with the package and especially if it helped solve some issues, i'd really appreciate any feedback you could give me when you have time.
Thanks!
#1059 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2018-01-05 00:28:01
MiyoLinux wrote:golinux wrote:. . . an apples and oranges non-sequitur. TM has nothing to do with Buddhism.
I apologize, and I have edited the post. In all fairness, there are many _____ who practice TM. As the original post stood, it said that "he" was a practitioner of it. However, I can see your point and it's validity.
No need to apologize. Most Buddhists in the West make it up as they go along. It's really rather pathetic. But what makes you think that TM has any relevance to yoga either?
Why do seagulls fly over the sea?
Because if they flew over the bay, they'd be bagels.
I looked at this for several minutes before I realized - baygulls. I am a diehard literalist.
What do you call a Texas Buddhist's mantra?
OM on the range.
#1060 Re: Installation » [CLOSED] <Ascii> Minimal Install - OB - Issues » 2018-01-04 20:35:01
But, as long as you do a dist-upgrade and then use autoremove I don't see how in the world things would be different.
You would think, but in practice i've done it a bunch of times in the last year, and been left with a huge mess to clean up every time.
Fsmithred's iso's were what I was talking about as far as doing a clean ascii install.
I could make a clean Vuu-do ascii but it would be a lot of work I just don't have time for right now, i'm waiting for the official release, then I will do a net-install and use Miyo's build method to make Vuu-do Armadillo.
#1061 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2018-01-03 00:43:20
Guy walks into a bar with his dog, sits down and orders a beer.
Bartender says " Sorry man, your dog will have to wait outside".
Man says " Oh you don't understand, that's Rover, the world's only talking dog, ask him what he wants to drink"!
Bartender says " What do you want to drink Rover?" , Rover says "I'll have a light beer please"
Bartender says " Okay man, good ventriloquist trick, but your dog will need to wait outside"
Man: "No it's true, look I have to go use the restroom, when i'm gone, ask the dog again, you'll see"
Man goes to restroom and after he's gone, the bartender asks the dog again what he would like to drink.
Rover says " I said i'll have a light beer please"
The bartender gets really excited, and asks if Rover will do him a favor: "Here, take this ten dollar bill, walk across the street into Joe's bar, order a beer, and spit it out and say that our beer is ten times better, will you do that for me?"
Rover shrugs his doggy shoulders and says sure, and walks out.
The man finally comes out of the bathroom, and looks around for his dog, the bartender says " Oh I gave him some cash and asked him to do a small practical joke for me, sent him across the street"!
The man gets very upset and runs out of the bar to look for his dog.
As soon as he gets out to the street, he sees Rover, busy having his way with a cute poodle right there on the sidewalk.
The man says " OMG Rover i've never seen you do THIS before"
And Rover replies: .......
"....I never had ten dollars before"
#1062 Re: Installation » [CLOSED] <Ascii> Minimal Install - OB - Issues » 2018-01-02 21:04:12
FYI it would be MUCH better policy to do a clean ascii install instead of "upgrading" by changing your sources. Going from jessie to ascii leaves you with a lot of junk floating around, you'll have an extra libicu, extra c processors etc in addition to other challenges.
#1063 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2017-12-22 22:08:55
What do you call it when a rooster looks at lettuce?
Chicken-sees-a-salad
#1064 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Frequent indexing thrashes HDD » 2017-12-21 23:53:45
greenjeans wrote:Doesn't thunar have a search function?
Nope. Not a native one. An external search function can be added as a thunar custom action.
Wow, kinda lame that. Even Pcmanfm has a built-in search function (not a very good one but it's there). Best native search function that i've tried is in Caja (Mate file manager), it works really well for me.
#1065 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2017-12-20 21:39:25
Two bacteria walk into a bar, the bartender says "hey we don't serve your kind in here".
The bacterias answer: " no no, you don't understand, we're staff."
#1066 Re: Other Issues » ifup wait at boot » 2017-12-20 21:30:01
Thank you r.r; I appreciate it sir.
Yet, I'm still confused. Yes, I include a network manager in my builds; however, I follow a guideline in how I build. Therefore, all builds are the same, yet some builds have this delay while others don't. Strange...strange indeed.
Well now i'm confused. All my Vuu-do builds trace back to the original Miyolinux I started with, and I have never experienced this issue.
Just for clarity though: The builds were started offline completely, from a clean install of Miyolinux (liveCD), and never to this day have I plugged in an ethernet cable to the laptop I build with, all updating is done through wi-fi.
I do delete a LOT of stuff that might otherwise stay in a normal install, especially before I roll an iso, my Refracta-excludes file is relentless.
#1067 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Frequent indexing thrashes HDD » 2017-12-20 21:22:45
cynwulf wrote:It's not (usually) a file system thing, so I'd imagine you have some kind of 'indexing service' running? Without more details, it's going to be difficult to say. If it's something which starts with a particular desktop you're running, just disable it.
If Idid have an indexing sevice I wouldn't know how/where to find it.
Doesn't thunar have a search function?
To kill unwanted start-up services, try Boot-Up-Manager (BUM) from the repo for a nice GUI tool to enable/disable services at startup and/or kill/start them during session.
#1068 Re: Installation » Dunno What the H#LL I'm doing but » 2017-12-20 21:18:54
Also do any of you guy's use Apparmor in Devuan?
I managed to compile firejail with apparmor support in UBUNTU recently.
I don't see a firefox profile in /etc/apparmor.d so far in devuan
I updated some files recently, newer versions of dbus from the ascii repo, and newer dbus has libapparmor as a dependency. First time it's been on my machine.
All I have in /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions is lightdm and lightdm_chromium-browser though, I do have FF installed on this machine but there's no profile for it in that folder.
#1069 Re: Installation » Palemoon a browser that doesn't convince! » 2017-12-20 21:08:17
I can't get Midori to play any web video either, it's supposed to be capable but hasn't worked for me yet, other than that it's pretty nice.
Palemoon is still the best all-around browser in all the testing i've done.
#1070 Re: DIY » Tips for using Palemoon » 2017-12-20 20:58:31
Correction,
All of the above is true for Devuan, on the same system on Artix and Obarun the palemoon updater/installer worked fine
I just download the .deb and dpkg it manually, works fine, no need for updater or any hoo-ha.
FYI newest PM (27.6.2) requires newer version of libdbus-1-3 than what's in devuan jessie, but I have successfully used the dbus packages from ascii in my jessie installs and they are working fine as is PM.
#1071 Re: Off-topic » Devuan i3 » 2017-12-13 23:38:53
I like i3, love to see a Miyo edition
I use the i3 screenlocker on all my machines, simple, light, fast, uncomplicated...just how I like my 'nix.
#1072 Re: Other Issues » Question on kernel upgrades » 2017-12-12 22:54:53
I have Jessie with the linux-image-amd64 meta package installed. Most of what I read about kernel upgrades seems to be around doing dist-upgrade. I'm a little confused as far as ongoing kernel upgrades that might occur within the same major version.
If (and I assume there are) occasional kernel upgrades available for Jessie, do they just get installed via api-get update and apt-get upgrade? If so, does it leave the existing kernel installed etc. Also...and this is probably related...does it automatically run grub-update if I'm using grub?
Thanks!
Tom
Hi Tom, when using jessie (current stable) you will get occasional kernel upgrades within the same family (3.16 LTS). If installing through Synaptic you can just mark it as a regular upgrade, it will install the new kernel (removing the old one) and will run update-grub (at least it did last time I checked). In other words it works the same as other upgradeable packages within the same major version (i.e. jessie/Devuan 1.0).
I have done quite a few in the last year and they all went very smoothly, no issues at all.
I don't use apt-get, but looks like it should work the same unless there are changing dependencies with new version (can't see that happening with the kernel but possible I guess)? In which case you might need to use apt-get dist-upgrade.
#1073 Re: Other Issues » Software packages aging issue » 2017-12-12 22:41:26
There is software in the repos of ALL those distros that is up to 10 years old or more without any updates, and it all still works. Hundreds maybe thousands of packages.
Nobody uses exclusively 100% shiny new software.
In point of fact, the only real constant reason people need new software is for newer hardware support, occasionally for compatibility with a new file type or format.
I have been using differenet libre system like Parabola (always latest libre software packages), Fedora (0.5 years per upgrade of libre packages and nonfree kernel), Debian (always latest stable stage of libre packages), Trisquel and Uruk (liberating Ubuntu 18.04), but finally Devuan, your Jessie is finalized last May but software packages are as aging as Ubuntu 14.04 (April in 3 years ago), without Parabola and Fedora I cant always refresh my free software to the latest ones. Why is Dyne and VUA foundation using libre software packages aging for 3 years? And there is not yet OpenRC that is present in Parabola and from Gentoo. Will Dyne and VUA foundation instead make a rolling Parabola derivative, without systemd like current Devuan, but OpenRC by default, with always refreshing libre software packages?
#1074 Re: Off-topic » Firefox Quantum » 2017-12-12 22:35:11
golinux wrote:FreeBSD might have taken care of the problem. Did you check for apulse?
No package named apulse is even available.
Not in Devuan jessie either the last time I checked, maybe it's in ascii?
So, no libpulse0? That's the only thing I have on my system, VLC dragged it in (but doesn't really need it) so I deleted most of it, lol.
#1075 Devuan Derivatives » [Vuu-do] menu fix if user has upgraded to ascii » 2017-12-12 22:19:57
- greenjeans
- Replies: 1
Okay, here's what works for me and all Vuu-do systems:
First of all, users need to understand that Obmenu-generator is just a single perl script, with a couple of userspace config files. There is no need to upgrade it by installing a new package of it, or re-compile it, and no need to install cpanminus or anything else.
Vuu-do (1.0.6) already has the latest script, if you have an older version of Vuu-do and obmenu-generator, just download the new script and replace it in /usr/bin, newest script is here: https://github.com/trizen/obmenu-genera … -generator, don't forget to make sure it's executable. You will also need to replace the Linux::DesktopFiles perl module as described below.
That's it, keep all your other stuff, the only thing different in the schema file is some cleaned up code, the file you have will work fine, if you want to you can go in and replace all the 'begin_cat' commands with 'beg' and all the 'end_cat' commands with 'end'. That's literally the only difference (already done in Vuu-do 1.0.6)
So, assuming you have the latest script, here's how to re-install the Linux::DesktopFiles perl module (this is the real and only reason obmenu-generator stops working when you upgrade to ascii, because when you upgrade the system you are installing a new version of Perl and it doesn't have the proper Linux::DesktopFiles module pre-installed.):
Download Trizen's Linux::DesktopFiles perl module, this is custom made by the same author, zip file here: https://github.com/trizen/Linux-Desktop … master.zip.
Open file manager and navigate to the download folder, right-click the zip file and choose "extract here". Now enter that directory and open a terminal, su-to-root, and run these commands one at a time:
perl Build.PL
./Build
./Build test
./Build installThat's it, it will start working immediately. No need to re-scan icons unless you want to, script will do it automatically if you delete the icon cache and db in ~/.config/obmenu-generator/, or you can just use the menu entry: Configuration >> Advanced >> Obmenu-generator >> Refresh icon set.
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