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#951 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-01-17 04:25:44

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

didn't know that their kernels were already deblobbed, is this verifiable?

Well they have separate packages for the firmware, which is a pretty clear sign smile

Otherwise check the source: https://github.com/void-linux/void-pack … plate#L180

I didn't reply to this for a while, but I found one other new reason to use deblobbed linux kernels from jxself.org...

The mei module and the hdcp modules creep me out...

hmm

mei is some intel me management module which I have zero use for and don't know when it was added to the regular kernels...

and hdcp module is some drm like crap...

Heh so I guess unless I know how to disable that stuff, I am sticking with linux-libre.   PS, I use that as a general name, Currently using LTS kernels... smile

#952 Re: Off-topic » Info » AppImage security and alternatives » 2021-01-17 04:18:38

golinux wrote:

Or better yet, just don't use "appimage" at all.  I suspect that there aren't many devuan users who would touch it.

I have touched appimages in the past and occasionally still do, but that being said, you are probably right about appimage.

They probably aren't as secure or trustworthy as official repos for distros you trust.

I should add, i don't  flatpak and especially snaps even more so.

I am not sure about guix package manager, or other alternatives... but snap and npm ones currently rank my least trusted methods of installing.

Especially now that I know about ubuntu's non-free server for snaps. hmm

Aka, walled garden anyone?

#953 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Devuan's "systemctl daemon-reload" » 2021-01-17 04:14:10

nobodyuknow wrote:
nobody@toshiba128:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/expressvpnd
restore: /etc/resolv.conf not generated by expressvpn
^C
nobody@toshiba128:~$

The end of /var/log/syslog didn't contain anything related to the above.

As I said before, I think the latest ExpressVPN .deb is pretty much incompatible with non-systemd systems. I'm marking this thread as solved because I have a work-around, i.e., use the previous .deb.

And/Or in the future, use a different vpn which supports freedom more. wink

#954 Re: Installation » How is it possible that Java update breaks Trinity DE? » 2021-01-17 04:12:01

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
bimon wrote:

The only problem I get now: Rust 1.41.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u1 is not compatible with my old CPU.

Please open a new thread for this problem, we're waaaaay off topic here already. Thanks.

Aww... but being off topic is fun!

For instance, let's talk about eating bugs and maggots or about how the plan of google is world domination. tongue

Btw, editing as this is meant to be a joke... smile

#955 Re: Installation » How is it possible that Java update breaks Trinity DE? » 2021-01-16 10:09:58

bimon wrote:
Magnus wrote:

As for Trinity, I only used it for a few days. It was when I was using Konqueror to surf that I discovered that Konqueror does not support modern web technologies. Also, I had some general issues with making things work.

Trinity is not about getting support for the newest technologies, it is about stability and a lack of at least a part of modern backdoors managed from invisible BIOS trojans which (backdoors) are most likely present in KDE4 and KDE5. Most likely modern KDEs just allow to manage records via network sockets by RPC calls and that is the problem because trojans have access to network interface while it is not easy for them to interact directly via ABI APIs.

It is like a ban of a person on his own PC ("personal computer"), what to say when someone gets banned in a server managed social network if they can ban even Knotes via IntelME like probes most likely even via communication channel in a power line.

It is a big fake that personal computers are personal since there is sometimes too much undesirable activity of some agencies.

My recordings in Trinity Knotes never disappeared while it happened even in the latest version of KDE4 already using database for notes storage on a modern computer with IntelME probes. After replacing KDE4 by Trinity it did not happen anymore and a few months later I also disabled IntelME mei kernel drivers.

There are many opinions of users who loved KDE3, that KDE5 is just a disaster in terms of which road is chosen for its development.

I didn't know kde was that bad...

Makes me think as bad as gnome has gotten, well its still worse granted, but yeah KDE isn't too good either I guess... hmm

Kind of makes me wonder though... what will KDE do now that qt's code for LTS builds become proprietary...  5.15 LTS builds will no longer be released as free software and QT6 will  be fully proprietary...

That aside, I myself think trinity looks nice, but lately I have taken to i3-wm because of its minimalism. Even Lumina Desktop as nice as that is, is nowhere near as awesome to me as i3-wm.

#956 Re: Off-topic » (privacy) surveillance state? » 2021-01-16 09:59:09

andyprough wrote:
zapper wrote:

Snowden thought spying had a place, but only on the very powerful. The people in power should be spied on to make sure they don't abuse their power. As for everyone else though... NO! just no... 

My 2 cents man...

Agreed Zap - it's very backward how the government and big tech collect every text message and phone call and email and the entire web history of the poor worker drone who is making $12 an hour. But he has no right to demand transparency from the government or the tech oligarchs.

Yep, mhm...

I think the best way to call this, is corporate fascism. 

That's my thoughts personally, although to each their own...

But yeah... pcs are not personal unless coreboot is installed and no firmware blobs are required to run wifi, graphics, etc...

Thinkpad x230s are good for this purpose... albeit somewhat slow. ;>)

At least from what some people say. I myself find the speed very good.  Intel me disabled, stripped down, coreboot on and WALA!

A laptop that doesn't suck major dong...

smile

But on topic,  yeah... corporations and government need to be spied on not the other way around... hmm

#957 Re: DIY » Install runit in Beowulf. » 2021-01-11 10:06:00

chomwitt wrote:

Do i have to follow those instructionshttp://smarden.org/runit/replaceinit.html  or installation script will cover that?

It should already be covered, if you do

sudo apt install runit runit-init

then you should be all set. smile

#958 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-11 10:04:13

Dutch_Master wrote:

I'll just re-iterate myself then:

Dutch_Master wrote:

"Freedom of speech" doesn't mean you can say absolutely anything, anywhere, anytime. Your "freedom of speech" ends where it encroaches on freedoms of others. Disagreeing is fine, as long as it remains respectful and civil. These principles of civilisation have been trampled by certain groups and individuals in the past and exactly that is now being addressed.

Take particular note of that first sentence, then contemplate on the 2nd. That's the core of civilisation in a nutshell.

Kind of hard to be civil when people are just straight up in denial about things that are facts...

That being said, I might have been too harsh. 

I just really, detest cult like thinking akin to trumplicans, fascists, neo nazis and denialists...

At some point people who have team mentality, should abandon their team... when your side threatens violence like trumplicans do, its time to eject. If you know what I mean... or to put it more simply...   escape that sinking ship before you go under.

;<)

#959 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-11 07:33:14

dice wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
dice wrote:

the underlying message is quite evident.

Not for me, would you mind explaining your opinion further? TIA.

It just seems to me that with these giant platforms like mozilla,twitter and facebook, that one can be branded evil white nazi supremacists when in fact the opposite could be true and without evidence to contrary they post heresay as in the mozilla article and elsewhere in the mainstream media.

the rampant use of the internet to foment violence and hate, and reinforce white supremacy is about more than any one personality. Donald Trump is certainly not the first politician to exploit the architecture of the internet in this way

^ The article needs to back that up in regards to trumps twitters imo.

From what ive read and seen so far it looked very staged this so called "insurrection". A real coup would have involved storming the building with weopens and a clear objective, the way it looked from what they show on the mainstream media was a bunch of usefull idiots being useful idiots. I do agree free speech has its limits but if only twitter and facebook and the rest lived up to that on a daily basis.

You forget, we are talking about donald trump...  he doesn't know how to be sneaky. He is good at manipulation, bad at everything else...

Just a side note, mozilla should rot for letting itself be bribed by google so many times and for  accepting their money and for accepting webextensions as their new model... etc... but NOT for the reasons you and ron are mentioning.

#960 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-11 07:31:08

Ron wrote:

There's a lot of bullshit responses in this thread. The real threat here are the ones who get to decide what is (so called) hate speech and what isn't. This IS a threat to free speech.

Oh hush up man, 

hate speech isn't free speech man, you know that trump told his supporters to march on the capital and that he encouraged violence. This isn't the first time, won't be the last.

The real threat is being talked about and its called extremism.

trump supporters are friggin extremists. Even the corporate democrats aren't this evil, hell even the republicans in power aren't this evil, they just cowards. 

Don't give me that "those aren't the droids you are looking for"

That isn't logical in this case and we both know it.

I don't like to be so crass about this, but extremism must be exposed.

PS, I detest both sides but especially corporate rulers and effing fascists.

#961 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-10 18:01:27

Hate speech is not free speech nor is inciting violence.

My freedom  ends where yours begins, aka, if you try to restrict someone's freedom or violate someones freedom especially for no justifiable reason... that is wrong.

BLM protesters would have been mowed down with gunfire if they tried to incite insurrection. The confederates /nazi/trump supporters should have had the same treatment.

Equality and justice should be more important than stupid issues like skin color, or race, or other such foolishness...

That all being said, I think firefox is going to die, she has been firing people working on firefox...

So its plausible that may happen. hmm

And yes, your freedom ends when it encroaches on someone else's freedom.

#962 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Devuan's "systemctl daemon-reload" » 2021-01-10 06:08:58

nobodyuknow wrote:

@zapper

I think substituting s6 for SysV is way beyond my talents.

It might be beyond mine too, never used it... I have used runit/runit-init and openrc. wink

Although, never tried s6 cause i hear it is a replacement for systemd thats less bloated. Thus, you get the idea... tongue

#963 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Devuan's "systemctl daemon-reload" » 2021-01-09 01:45:12

Actually, there might be one alternative to making expressvpn work, if you want...

the init known as s6 or s6-init might be able to get it running. Supposedly, it has some of the same functions as system dumb, only way more lightweight.

It is still somewhat bloated, but its worth a try right?

#964 Re: Off-topic » (privacy) surveillance state? » 2021-01-08 17:44:28

dice wrote:
GlennW wrote:
dice wrote:

zapper im from Oz and it is similar to the US in regards to intelligentsia and the bourgeois. Im no fan of the brand but everynow and then he has half decent vids. More to the point though the video was for the most part concerned with invasive anti privacy software and roll out in the workplaces be it work from home or in the workplace itself and the bosses and assholes who like to implement this shit for muh productivity. Im strictly against being monitored, massive invasion of privacy.

Yes, but I can't help but think that it , the surveillance state starts under the rule of law, and the private sector takes it to the limit and then the gubbamnt taps into their systems under the guise of Public Safety.

yes it goes hand in hand, but i cant help but think that corporate greed comes into play first then pitched to the .gov to amend the law of the land in their favor. Its a win win situation for both sides, has been ever since 9/11, just ramping it up more and more each decade.

@ golinux, sage words!

@siva, spot on.

Corporate greed does make it worse, yes....

I still fail to understand why people don't realize life is short and thinking amassing large amounts of money WILL NOT, EVER BUY HAPPINESS!
Maybe TEMPORARILY IT WILL, but at some point, you get corrupted, you become evil and later die.

It is all pointless to amass wealth on this world at the cost of your own heart or if you prefer soul.

For the life of me, this is just... insane.    Morality >  Wealth 

Why? Because you won't be happy when your greedy.  At least not for very long anyways.

Long term happiness > short term happiness...

Most of what you guys said, I agree with though.

I don't know if I agree with having no backdoors in all computers, but unless your a corporate entity or a government agency... you should not be spied on unless you have a criminal record.  And even then, there should be a reasonable approach. What we have here is the opposite, its just to keep power for the ruling class and let no one change it.  That is insane.

Snowden thought spying had a place, but only on the very powerful. The people in power should be spied on to make sure they don't abuse their power. As for everyone else though... NO! just no... 

My 2 cents man...

#965 Re: Off-topic » Greetings from New Member » 2021-01-08 17:29:59

nauved-rex wrote:

Hello All,

My real name is James. I've been playing around with Linux for maybe 20 years. My first install was 2 Debian floppies, 3 1/2", on a repurposed desktop computer. As I write this, it occurred to me that "desktop" is an odd label for a computer which sits on the floor under the desk. But I digress...

I'm incredibly grateful for the Devuan developers for, first ASCII, then Beowulf, releases. I feel so comfortable with this system. All the techniques I've learned over the years are still usable. I'm not opposed to learning SystemD commands, but it seems like a lot of work for --- what, exactly?

My Beowulf is a minimal LXDE install after an initial command line only install. I didn't select a desktop environment. After booting into the new system, it is necessary to know how to connect to your home network in order to proceed. I hope to publish a "how to" in the near future, if there's not one already.

My computer is a repurposed Acer Chromebook 11, C740, with 2 GB RAM and a 16 GB SSD. My work data is store on a SanDisk 128 GM MicroSD card.

Also, just this morning and afternoon, I set up a media server on a repurposed Acer Aspire 5349 notebook with 4 GB RAM and 300 GB HD. After installing the base system, no desktop, I SSH'd into the server and setup Plex Media Server on the Aspire. I manage the server from Firefox on my new Beowulf Chromebook install. Sweet!

Okay all, have a great 2021, and I hope to see you back here soon!

Edit: It required 3 attempts for me to get registered. The 1st time, I picked a username already in use. The 2nd time, I flunked the intelligence test (I can't remember the question). The 3rd time, it asked for the last name of the person who invented or created Linux. The only name which came to mind was, Ian Murdoch. And then I wondered, "Do they mean the kernel dude?" And I drew a complete blank: even now, I can see his face but can't think of his name. LOL. So anyhow, I put "Murdoch", and the gatekeeper granted me admission. smile

Welcome, yeah, Linus Torvaldos is the kernel dude. tongue

My reason for avoiding systemd or system dumb if you prefer is simple...  I dislike bloat.  Same reason i dislike dbus, pulseaudio and networkmanager...

Albeit, pulseaudio at least has a small use case... I prefer though sndio and alsa over pulse anytime...  As for dbus, I await the day when I don't need it. But that day may take a very long time to come. hmm

Also don't like DE's much anymore as an edit:

Even Lumina Desktop, as much as I think its good, I prefer i3-wm straight up. smile

#966 Re: Off-topic » Greetings from New Member » 2021-01-08 17:25:46

golinux wrote:

Welcome to the forum!  FYI . . . next time try Torvalds . . .  Murdoch shouldn't have worked.

This wit... hehe...

I missed seeing it on here. wink

Always amusing... smile

I have a joke for you all.. its dated now, but...

Why use debian jessie, when you could upgrade, I mean what a stretch!

tongue

#967 Re: Off-topic » (privacy) surveillance state? » 2021-01-04 21:56:09

dice wrote:

Is the pandemic being used to create a surveillance state?

Say what you will about russel brand, this video is on point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMFylHz8RF4

The pandemic has taken surveillance of workers to the next level – but with existing data showing that working from home already achieved better productivity, could there be other motives?

He is not the type of person, I agree with on most things, matter of fact, I kind of dislike him for his private life issues...

That all being said,  I don't put it past our government to be doing many terrible things behind our back. They have no sympathy, no limit to how low they will go,

They are basically an abyss of moral decay.  At least as far as the NSA part goes... They want to watch people every given second of every given hour of every given day times 1000.  That is why they continually push for all this surveillance crap... that and, they want to watch their citizens so they know who is with them in their evil plots and who isnt.  They are effectively violating the constitution in almost every way but the 2nd amendment.  Regardless of who supports who, both sides are guilty of supporting the NSA... with exceptions being the progressives... aka, they have less people in power, or this crap would have been cancelled by now... hmm
The supreme court even said the "patriot act" is unconstitutional... and yet they still do it.   

Long story short,   our government's thought process is justice be damned.

We want power, we want...  etc...

It's kind of sad. 

Their power is not going to save them when they are about to die or in the abyss of fire.

Anywho,  I am stunned Russel even cares about this issue. It is startling that he even has a conscience. It is refreshing, like tom cruise going on a rant about people violating social distancing even if he did it for  the wrong reasons. 

Better than our lame duck. tongue

Well actually, don't know where your from, but yeah... usa is a crazy place right now. sad

#968 Re: Off-topic » Info » AppImage security and alternatives » 2021-01-03 12:38:21

dice wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
ToxicExMachina wrote:

Flatpak is also SystemD-exclusive package manager.

Nope: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?n … ranch=edge

And it's spelled "systemd" FFS... mad

why does this trigger you so?

When people spell it that way it always makes me think of that manga/anime cartoon initial D

I don't get that either, let's just refer to systemd or system-d as system dumb from now on. Since it is so buggy and crappy...

wink

#969 Re: Other Issues » Copy Speed?? » 2021-01-02 21:55:50

I have had this problem and continue to have this problem on my thinkpad x200 librebooted device with Hyperbola as well as devuan, etc...

This I believe might be a hardware issue,  I don't know your hardware, but I begin to wonder if it is related to usb 3.0 not being used. You see, usb 3.0 at one point requires some unsafe blob which is a security issue and if you enabled it, you run the risk of a security problem.  I don't know if that has changed since I read about usb 3.0 a while back, it is entirely possible...  but that would be my guess, your not using usb 3.0 on linux.    If someone else wants to chime in, by all means, do so. 

But yeah, I think it has to do with Hardware, not software... when I say that it may have to do with hardware I mean compatibility with linux btw...

cheers!

#970 Re: Freedom Hacks » Admin, please delete. » 2020-12-28 23:18:43

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
OalSkuul wrote:

Admin, please delete.

That is very selfish behaviour, threads on these boards are supposed to be a community resource. If you're upset because I accused you of hijacking the other thread then stop being such a baby and grow some thicker skin.

--crickets chirp--

#971 Re: Devuan » Wifi and Ethernet not working in Devuan on newer AMD system » 2020-12-28 23:14:44

Welp, I guess there is your answer...

-_-

Just a quick edit though,  you may have to switch distros if you aren't willing to build or install using .deb packages.

It really isn't that hard, but if your unwilling, alas... nothing we can do. sad

#972 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Michaels Devuan Edition *Update* » 2020-12-28 23:11:17

How did you make jwm work like that? How much CPU usage does that use? And could you make a git page with the source code?

This looks awesome, seriously!

#973 Re: Devuan » Wifi and Ethernet not working in Devuan on newer AMD system » 2020-12-28 23:05:41

BoneZ wrote:

So I just built a new AMD system this week based on an X570 motherboard and 5900x CPU. I installed Refracta OS and even Devuan Beowulf (alongside Windows on a separate partition) and could not get either the WiFi nor the Ethernet to work. So that means no updating or installing. This is not an issue on Ubuntu-based distros.

This was also not an issue on my previous AMD system with a B450 motherboard and 3700x CPU. Just for reference, this new system has the Intel WiFi 6 AX200 160 Mhz chip, and Realtek PCIe 2.5GbE Ethernet chip.

Just wanted to report this issue for future updates of Devuan. I enjoy using Devuan/Refracta OS on one of my PC's as a lightweight distro that just works well. However with no networking, that is currently not possible on newer systems. I'm also a Linux noob, so I won't be doing any building of driver packages, etc. I'm more of an install and everything just works out of the box type.

Thanks for reading!

Which amd processors are on your system and what year were they out at?

More info might be useful... if they ryzen processors, you might have issues... at least without blobs anyways... sad

There is a way though to get your wifi card working though. You need to alas, enable the non-free repository.

Someone here can give you more info, I am sure, but if even ethernet isn't an option, I cannot help you further, but someone else might be able to.

#974 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-12-28 23:00:04

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

As for skipping to get a RISC-V chip,  I would only want that if Devuan or something better has support for Risc-V

Unofficial at the moment but they're working on it:

https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V

Drew DeVault was working on porting Alpine Linux to RISC-V but I'm not sure how that's going:

https://drewdevault.com/2018/12/20/Port … ISC-V.html

https://lists.alpinelinux.org/~alpine/d … 0hifive%3E

Nothing concrete from OpenBSD yet though, unfortunately:

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=160807140003965&w=2

But it looks like both FreeBSD and NetBSD have made some progress:

https://wiki.freebsd.org/riscv

http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/riscv/

I bet OpenBSD will start to work on it more once they see hardware close to being out.   As for NetBSD and Devuan... Those would be good to have till  HyperbolaBSD is out. which sadly might out in close to a few years or more. hmm oh well. I need to learn patience, I guess... tongue

Look forwarding to it though!

#975 Re: Other Issues » Etertics radio distro NO SOUND... help! » 2020-12-25 20:56:42

Hmm, I wonder  if a  blob is required...
Although it seems unlikely unless its very new technology that is implementing drm to an insane level...

EDIT: but yeah,  I tried etertics once, its not nearly as good as I would have hoped...

Unless they improved since... last time I checked, somethings weren't changed that should have been...

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