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This joke I have shamelessly copied from somewhere, forget where...
A blind man walks into a bar and a chair and desk.
Miyo . . . you need to get a life . . .
Last I checked, isn't he married... I recall seeing his youtube page once something about 26 years or something?
So that does seem ironic.
Although, I suppose different people have different ideas of what getting a life is. ![]()
youtube-dl has been having a lot of update problems lately which has forced me to switch to yt-dlp which in my personal experience so far has been much better.
Regards
Agree completely, the first youtube-dl is lagging behind.
We can thank the good ol people at the RIAA for that.
Obviously sarcasm ;P
We shouldn't thank them, we should troll them.
XFCE isn't the stone age and to me, its still too modern.
If you want something that is over the top on an unreasonable level aka, looking like windows 11,
kde's current or cinnamon fit that bill.
Makes me feel sick inside knowing people like those bloated desktops, but not my choice.
meh...
zapper wrote:I have never even seen debian or devuan say this LOL.
First sentence of the third paragraph on:
https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … o-daedalus
Note that skipping releases is not supported.Does it say that for every release?
If so, yeah your definitely right.zapper wrote:Although, its probable I just didn't do enough research.
You think?
I wouldn't doubt that
Glad I know now even though I don't use devuan as much.
I can help others to not make the same dumb errors. ![]()
Btw, unrelated, but surprised you liked that rant I sent. Usually you either say nothing or are not so fond of it.
As I sent in a forum email, I was surprised by this. ![]()
On an experimental system... as an experiment.
Biggest hurdles was when glibc version changed between install and upgrade.
Don't doubt something was a problem.
Funny thing, libc was the problem I had.
I have a feeling that libc was related to glibc.
So... yeah lol right on target.
I have done what I mentioned at the top before I knew what VMs where and after and until I learned how to use qemu properly.
I been working with linux for at least 8 years, on and off from before 2016 and after till I decided to completely jump the shark for good towards linux.
Windows 8.1 tripled my ram and that was why I became suspicious of windows and then chats with people who know stuff about windows, etc, etc...
Someone at a meeting asked if there was a backdoor in windows and everyone was silent.
This person told me this, on and on... won't bore you any further.
Point being, lots of screws up have occurred due to my recklessness.
Pity I didn't learn how to use VMs before I decided to distrohop. This would have saved me 5+ years of agonizing irritation. ![]()
The systemd situation makes me think of the climate situation in the world... in two way at least, it is very similar:
1: Just keep wasting resources willy nilly and when people complain about very real problems that are occuring, explain it away, do whatever it takes to get in the way of progress to be able to continue to waste resources as much as you want while the looming threat keeps getting bigger and bigger till even the most powerful people can't fight against it.
2: It isn't about anything but greed.
It seems like people are very inherently opposed to not allowing the most powerful humans on the planet waste the planet's resources or electricity, etc...
Basically anything goes... type of bs.
Like really?
Systemd like other redhat projects is a bloated hot mess. The more code there is to audit and check, the harder it is to find the bugs before they cause trouble.
What ninny thinks 1 million lines of code is needed for a protocol that's main job is to initialize the system?
A special type of ninny honestly...
a very dangerous one at that as well.
Might doesn't make right and yet, give specific people enough power and they will abuse it no matter what.
Even more so, the more you allow them to abuse it, the more they will seek new even more dreadfully dangerous ways to abuse it.
The linux kernel people and the gnu people should have both told redhat, F**K off you bully and promptly dropped their services regardless of what the head business yahoos wanted. Aka, people affiliated with redhat who believed the foolishness they were spouting.
This world's reality is not supposed to be controlled by narcissists or megalomaniacs or a-holes yet here we are.
Meh...
In 20+ years, I've never seen any distro say anything but "unsupported, at own risk" with regard to skipping releases on an in-place upgrade. Devuan and upstream Debian are not exceptions.
Why would you even try it, except as an experiment?
Lack of knowledge? Ignorance? Lack of Critical thought?
These 3 are all possibilities.
I have never even seen debian or devuan say this LOL.
Although, its probable I just didn't do enough research.
But as an obvious, only two things make it okay although still largely a waste of time anyhow:
1: Its a VM
2: You have more than one copy of that same VM
That's all I can think of.
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golinux, I very much think this one is better than the chimaera one. Not as fond of green as blue.
golinux by popcorn do you mean, it is going to be a mess for any regulation to get done of value?
If so, yeah probably...
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Never, ever switch from oldoldstable to stable.
When using full-upgrade, always make sure you do it only one from one version difference.
Like oldstable to stable or oldoldstable to oldstable.
If you have any stupid meanderings, feel free to post them here if they relevant. Not that I can stop people ;P
And yeah, I tried to go from beowulf to daedalus that caused me to bork a vm.
Thankfully I had backups...
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simple golinux, as to what debian would do, probably they would do some sort of cease and desist action.
If I had to guess...
But yeah, it is inappropriate.
Although, I have seen that wallpaper in devuan before... so idk. Unless I am wrong in which case correct me.
Linuxman, you do know I was trollfacing you right?
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I am very well aware that you didn't mean that credit card company. This is a linux forum.
xD
linuxnews wrote:LinuxNews here. The 'nonsense' did not come from me. Please complain at https://repology.org/project/systemd/versions. Thank you.
Oh . . . but it did! News "sources" have an obligation to verify information before blabbing about it. Passing the buck is not an excuse for not doing your homework. Sadly, such journalistic practices are common these days. Truth is the casualty . . .
Truth has always been a casualty in some form or another in the history of the world, don't you know this?
However, we can thank ronald reagan for a massive increase in this.
Just sayin...
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News should never be capitalistic that is the bottom line.
Profit off of the news = an opening for societal problems to increase exponentially
You noticed! It's been less than an hour since the repo links got changed. So yeah, we are in the midst of the change. Give the mirrors a couple hours to catch up. When we're sure everything else is in place, the website will be updated and there will be an official announcement. Stable installer isos and live isos are already in place.
That's good, I was beginning to think Devuan was dead...
Get it? ![]()
oui, you mentioned the problem being deep in linux, you are absolutely correct. The more bloated linux frameworks that beome a standard, like a forced one, such as dbus, avahi, systemd, pulseaudio, pipewire, etc... the more problematic things get.
Yes a few of these can be ditched more easily, but their libraries are still hell to get rid of. So... yeah, not so simple if you realize that.
Devuan being a systemd free debian fork, is in my opinion not enough. But I usually don't use devuan, so its no huge issue. Nor is it their responsibility anyhow. Its more of the fact that over time, this will allow a mess to be created bigger over time.
Eventually, things get :s for some users including developers as well.
Please take your rant upstream to Debian. We are Debian without systemd. Period.
Or . . . here's a thought . . . create what you envision yourself and gift it to the world!
This is disheartening... oui has a point about firefox. Although, midori isn't too much better no matter which midori oui is talking about.
Then again, I don't know what the message was like before oui changed it.
So... idk.
Btw, a fully jwm iso install, complete with jwmkit installed, would be interesting and awesome. Aka, first run would be already activated, etc...
Not strictly needed, necessary but it would be awesome.
Not possible at all.
There is no perfect install. In fact, most everything has no perfect that I know of.
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Given the version devuan has, currently, or at least last I checked, it might be more beneficial to have alsasound.
This being said, to each their own.
My chosen search engine has been acting weird... yeah that does work.
My next question is, which is more reliable right now, chimaera, or daedalus?
I would guess the first, but I will download that one anyhow, just because its smaller. ![]()
I have need of an alternate os because of not being able to do some flashing stuff on my computer.
Libreboot like stuff aka.
./blobutils isn't working, etc... on my usual.
xD
I wonder if it has improved at all since I last used it though.
Guess I shall see soon?
Btw, I apologize for not leaving more nonsense lately, but I have been occupied.
I know you guys miss it...
/S
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Do you plan to support ARM devices in the future as well? By the way, pondering trying your operating system again, but am having trouble finding it online... unless its at sourceforge. I thought I was seeing things though.
Has anyone taken a look at Expirion Linux - there is a Devuan based Linux there under the "Files" tab
Is it related to that free credit scam known as expirion?
If so, wait for someone trustworthy here to say its legit if you have sense.
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linuxnews wrote:... The 'nonsense' did not come from me ...
If you don't give a source, don't say where you got it, it looks like it came from you ....
Anytime someone says "you didn't hear it from me"
I instantly think, okay I am going to say I heard it from you.
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Windows 8.1, was when I first tried to escape, but it took a year for me to be successful. Still, it was when I began. But yeah, I agree with you, google or gaggle if you prefer, is broken from the inside out. You can say this about mac as well and microsoft and possibly about even some distros as well.
*cough red *cough hat *cough
They are likely to incur lawsuits for trying to make gpl code proprietary...
So weird....