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#26 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-03 06:01:50

Gentoo is source based and if i am right understand most part software needs compilation

Historically it was entirely source-based. Now there are binary packages available for common profiles, so if you don't customise your use flags (compile-time features etc.) you needn't compile anything.
Personally I think that kinda defeats the point... But then again the line is something like "here tools, do whatever you like", so I guess a binary Gentoo install is as reasonable as any other.

fast compilation needs fast CPU and lot of ram

"Fast" is a matter of interpretation and patience. It tends to be a few packages (particularly web browsers) that take the the bulk of the time, if you use binary packages for those Gentoo is quite manageable even on fairly modest hardware. You can also use a build-host or distcc to offload work, e.g. have a fast desktop or server build updates for a slower laptop.

Its all hdd?

8 mechanical drives in the main raidz6 pool, plus 10 SSDs of various sizes in a couple of raid10 arrays. 64TB is really an approximation, it's considerably more than that in raw disk, and slightly less in "usable" space once you account for redundancy, overhead, and filesystem slop allowances.

What brand of manufactur of hdd are you prefer?

Seagate ironwolf at the moment, but I've had WD drives in the past. That ZFS pool has been around a while now and I tend to replace drives gradually with whatever is the most reasonable price/capacity/reliability balance at the time, I consider researching specific models more relevant than brand-loyalty.

why you stop use it?

Lack of granular package management and dependency resolution. Packages are essentially just tarballs and as close to upstream as possible, it's up to the user to track dependencies or rebuild them if they want a different feature set (e.g. not all of KDE as one package). There are addons (e.g. slapt-get), but AFAIK the base distro is still that way to this day.
I am still "using" Slackware, in a manner of speaking... Slackware 7.0 on a "vintage" AMD K6-2 machine, much like I did back in '99 tongue.

IT knowledge related with your job or IT is your hobby

It's tangentially related to my job, but "hobby", if you call it that, came first. Really I just like to understand the things I use - that's as true for cars and dishwashers as it is for computers. If I can't take it apart and screw around with it, it's not worth having.

#27 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-02 07:25:26

This is PC desktops?

The first is not, the second is.
They are somewhat symbiotic though, they have a point-to-point bonded (10Gbitx2) network connection so most of the files I work with on my desktop actually reside on the server.

Why are you use so many ram?

1: For ZFS ARC, and why not. (ECC DDR3 was cheap at the time, and none of the components were purchased new).
2: I compile software on it, and why not. More RAM more better.

How are you use yours PCs, job, entertainment?

Those are both at home, so neither are "work" machines. The first is a storage(~64TB)/web/mail/camera/streaming/everything else server, the second is my main general-purpose desktop.

Why Gentoo?

Because Gentoo is awesome. If you want your OS to be your OS, there's no substitute. Think of it less as a distro, and more a collection of tools to build your own distro.
Gentoo is also the second distro I ever seriously used (after Slackware), so it was an obvious choice when looking for a rolling-release that didn't push systemd.

But why? Cuz Matrox gives the best 2d picture?

Cuz it's built into the BMC. That board doesn't even have a suitable PCIE slot for a GPU, and Xeons generally don't have integrated graphics.

Are you use it at CRT display?

I could (it's analogue VGA only), but I've never plugged a monitor into it. On the rare occasion I need to get at the physical console (or BIOS), it's via RS232 or network KVM over IPMI.

#28 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-01 12:43:42

I am tried that, before its worked, now its outdated

Well the gist does link directly to an "updated" version, with "thanks this works" posts as recent as 3 weeks ago...

not all packages download at this stage

https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia- … 0xx-driver
https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia- … gacy-340xx
Looks present and correct to me.

i prefer ready for use solutions

If you don't want to try, suit yourself.

what harware are you use

   ..,,;;;::;,..
           `':ddd;:,.               ---------------
                 `'dPPd:,.          OS: Devuan GNU/Linux 6 (excalibur) x86_64
                     `:b$$b`.       Host: X9DRL-3F/iF 0123456789
                        'P$$$d`     Kernel: Linux 6.12.63+deb13-amd64
                         .$$$$$`    Uptime: 20 days, 23 hours, 31 mins
                         ;$$$$$P
                      .:P$$$$$$`    Packages: 1585 (dpkg)
                  .,:b$$$$$$$;'     Shell: bash 5.2.37
             .,:dP$$$$$$$$b:'       Terminal: /dev/pts/0
      .,:;db$$$$$$$$$$Pd'`
 ,db$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`              CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) E5-2665 0 (32) @ 3.10 GHz
:$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`                   GPU: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200eW WPCM450
 `$$$$$bd:''`                       Memory: 29.90 GiB / 125.86 GiB (24%)
   `'''`

and

         -/oyddmdhs+:.                
     -odNMMMMMMMMNNmhy+-`              ---------------
   -yNMMMMMMMMMMMNNNmmdhy+-            OS: Gentoo Linux x86_64
 `omMMMMMMMMMMMMNmdmmmmddhhy/`         Kernel: Linux 6.12.63-gentoo-dist
 omMMMMMMMMMMMNhhyyyohmdddhhhdo`       Uptime: 1 day, 7 hours, 1 min
.ydMMMMMMMMMMdhs++so/smdddhhhhdm+`
 oyhdmNMMMMMMMNdyooydmddddhhhhyhNd.    Packages: 2145 (emerge)
  :oyhhdNNMMMMMMMNNNmmdddhhhhhyymMh    Shell: bash 5.3.9
    .:+sydNMMMMMNNNmmmdddhhhhhhmMmy    Display (CB272): 1920x1080 in 27", 75 Hz [External]
       /mMMMMMMNNNmmmdddhhhhhmMNhs:    Terminal: konsole 25.8.3
    `oNMMMMMMMNNNmmmddddhhdmMNhs+`
  `sNMMMMMMMMNNNmmmdddddmNMmhs/.       CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10900KF (20) @ 5.30 GHz
 /NMMMMMMMMNNNNmmmdddmNMNdso:`         GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT [Discrete]
+MMMMMMMNNNNNmmmmdmNMNdso/-            Memory: 17.96 GiB / 62.68 GiB (29%)
yMMNNNNNNNmmmmmNNMmhs+/-`
/hMMNNNNNNNNMNdhs++/-`                                         
`/ohdmmddhys+++/:.`                                            
  `-//////:--.

I'm pretty sure there's also a laptop around here somewhere, but we don't talk about that.

#29 Re: Devuan » Proposal "Devuan User Repository" » 2026-02-01 07:52:20

golinux wrote:

You never miss an opportunity do you.

Since you never miss an opportuity to hold sermons on the doom of the human race any time anyone suggests something new or shit on people for not doing work you don't do either, I'm only responding in kind.

Visually..
forum...
logo...
layout...
visual identity and messaging

You mean theming. Whoop. De. Do. roll
Past theming I might add. Full of "was". Full of "would have been" and "has been".

By all means, encourage others to make themes if that's your jam, and you actually have a concept of what work is involved. Don't passive-aggressively berate them to do things you can't or won't do yourself, particularly when you crow about how little you know on the subject.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=57536#p57536 sums it up quite nicely, so I'll not rehash the obvious regarding the difference between tinkering with CSS and themes, and testing and packaging software or writing code... Or the general quality of your "administration" of this board for that matter.

exponentialmatrix came in here with a suggestion, having already done much of the work to make it happen. Rather than engaging in rational discussion on the topic, you almost immediately started in on some pessimistic "things were better in my day" bullshit, then followed up with passive-agressive demands for people to "contribute" to tasks largely unrelated to the topic at hand and which you won't lift a finger on yourself.

#30 Re: Devuan » Proposal "Devuan User Repository" » 2026-02-01 03:31:01

golinux wrote:

Have you ever contributed any code directly to Devuan? Please remind me.

...

golinux wrote:

I have never written code and I couldn't write a bash script if my life depended on it!

(ref)
Rich innit, having a go at the author of a derivative distro and several utilities for their perceived lack of code contributions, while loudly proclaiming "I can't code". roll

As usual go, all you are "contributing" here is a bunch of crotchety barely-coherent bitching on the "state of humanity", irrelevant "in my day" rambling, and tired reruns of the same "somebody do the things I can't/won't" comments you seem to love dropping every time anyone dares make an even slightly productive suggestion.

On the OP: I don't disagree with the concept, but I'm not convinced making it "official" is a good idea.
As is painfully apparent in other threads here, the people wanting shiny-new software are often the same who never read the instructions... A user-curated build script repository will inevitably contain horribly broken junk, and "official" endorsement of that kind of thing will reflect negatively on Devuan as a whole, as well as likely clogging both the bugtracker and the forum with inactionable problem reports.
Put all the disclaimers you like on the thing, if it's on a devuan domain people will assume it's subject to devuan quality control and devuan support.

#31 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-01 01:35:02

very hard way

"Hard" is relative to ones experience. If you never try, you won't gain any of that and it will remain "hard" indefinitely.

broken os

No X11/GUI is the worst you could achieve, and that's hardly "broken OS". The CLI will remain usable with only the generic VGA drivers in the kernel.

can you give me 100% working instructions

I don't do spoon-feeding, and I don't have any nvidia hardware to test with so any "100%" would be meaningless. Generic backporting instructions are here, and the source package you will want to build from is here.
You might need newer versions of some tooling (e.g. debhelper), but there looks to be little else in the way of dependencies.

Also, somebody has already done the "instructions" thing, and it took all of 10 seconds to find on the 'net. There are probably others.
You could have found those yourself, so I assume what you really want when you say "100%" is some kind warranty... Which you will not get anywhere, so you may as well stop asking.

#32 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Identify old distro mascot. » 2026-01-31 12:06:17

smoking a pipe

Yeah, that'll be Slackware. Prior to the more modern "S" logo it was either Bob Dobbs or Tux smoking a pipe, both are still considered "mascots".

Slackware is still alive and well, making it the oldest surviving major distro. It also hasn't changed very much since I first installed it some 25+ years ago, which is either its biggest strength or its biggest weakness, depending on who you ask.

TBH I'm kinda surprised a Devuan user isn't at least passingly familiar with Slackware, it's the OG old-school init holdout (BSD init) and one of the only two "big" distros (the other being the somewhat younger Gentoo) that didn't go all-in on systemd.

#33 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-31 01:29:58

i use Ceres because Debian several years ago drop support nvidia-340

So why not backport the package, rather than switching release?
I swear I will never understand why people switch releases, or even change distros entirely, all to avoid compiling something.

#34 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-30 16:50:51

deepforest wrote:

why at all Devuan devs implement third-party tool for admin time

Devuan didn't write, implement, or encourage the use of that "tool". Here is the wiki page on setting the time in Debian (which also applies to Devuan, sans the systemd section). Notice there is no mention at all of any GUI.

deepforest wrote:

why at all we need GUI and DE!

You are the one insisting on using gnome-system-tool or whatever it is, nobody else.
Also, we don't. There are a multitude of Debian and Devuan systems that run just fine with no GUI at all.

deepforest wrote:

misunderstanding for casual users

s/casual users/people who refuse to read the documentation/g
FTFY.

deepforest wrote:

how i can know that i need install ntp daemon

By reading the documentation, instead of "working at Windows" roll

delgado wrote:

What else would you run as a beginner ... stable is boring!

OP has a long history of running unstable (or better yet, mixing) releases, then complaining that "Devuan" is broken and things don't work "out of the box" when the inevitable bugs arise. Apparently "unstable is for testers and bug hunters" is also in documentation they refuse to read.

We used to have a whole thread for people to contribute to the community by serving as a warning to others over on FDN, before the big DEI takeover...

#35 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-29 13:50:40

All of this ridiculous back-and-forth, tangents into who or what what provides $random_gui, blind assumptions about what commands do and what they are for, and posting vague screenshots of who-knows-what or wanting to "tick" something instead of just typing 'man' or 'apropos' [whatever one wanted to know about] or using the perfectly good cron job Altoid served up on a silver platter...

The thread should have started and ended with:

How start NTP?

RTFM. NTP is as old as time, nothing of significance has changed.

#36 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-29 13:32:56

deepforest wrote:

Why at all use unmaintained third-party tool if ntp working good whithout it?

Like I said, repeatedly: Don't. NTP doesn't need a GUI, it never has.
Read the manual for your chosen daemon, and configure it accordingly - in its configuration file or as a command argument in a cron job.

kapqa wrote:

still confusion about date and time

Seriously, how? This is not complicated.

kapqa wrote:

"ntpdate" and "ntp" seem no longe available

Those are now provided by ntpsec, e.g.

aptitude search ntpdate
p   ntpsec-ntpdate                              - client for setting system time from NTP servers
kapqa wrote:

ntpdig: no eligible servers

Yeah, you didn't specify a server to use.

$ man ntpdate wrote:

SYNOPSIS
ntpdate [-46bBdqsuv] [-a key] [-k keyfile] [-o version] [-t timeout] server [...]

kapqa wrote:

it seem the new command is "sudo ntpdate-debian"

It's a simple wrapper in shell, which uses a sensible default server if you don't specify your own.

$ man ntpdate-debian wrote:

DESCRIPTION
ntpdate-debian is identical to ntpdate(8) except that it uses the configuration in /etc/default/ntpsec-ntpdate by default.

Why. Does. Nobody. Read. The. Manual.

#37 Re: Installation » remove all packages that game with a program? » 2026-01-28 12:01:13

Generally you want both 'autoremove' to remove unneeded dependencies, and 'purge' to remove preserved configuration files. e.g. 'apt autoremove --purge okular'. IIRC the inverse 'apt purge --autoremove foo' would also work.

Some packages that were installed as dependencies may not be (auto)removed if they are also suggests or recommends from other packages still installed, depending on how you have configured apt (see apt-get manual & debian documentation for details).

#38 Re: Off-topic » Microsoft and encrypted data » 2026-01-28 11:48:00

Devarch wrote:

did you believe in BitLocker or in Windows?

[emphasis mine]
Believing in software is a fairly insane concept to begin with. Use logic when selecting tools, not trust, and certainly not faith or "belief".

#39 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-28 06:25:51

if this tool unmaintained and have bugs, why Debian and Devuan still use it as time tool

Because nobody has volunteered to fix it yet?

If it's the default GUI time configuration "tool" (which, AFAICT it is not), then it should work with the default ntp daemon.
If it's just a GUI tool among several options... The same applies as with any other software in the distro - there's a lot of stuff available, and it's up to the user to decide which they want to use and check compatibility of their selections.

NTP isn't broken, your chosen optional GUI frontend is. Fix it, report it to the relevant bugtracker(s), or use something else.
You could of course just configure your NTP daemon using it's own mechanisims (and have been up and running days ago), rather than insisting on this ancient unmaintained GNOME castoff GUI silliness.
NTP will keep your clock in sync, GUI or not. How often do you really need to change timezone anyway, and why do you need a control panel for a one-line config change?

#40 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-26 12:02:32

There are a half-dozen potential NTP clients available, which you use is personal preference.
The most lightweight is opentpd, while the most modern (and most suitable for machines with intermittent connectivity) is chrony. I can vouch for both currently (as well as ntpdate and ntpsec in the past) working just fine on Devuan.

The real question is: Which one is your GUI nonsense looking for, how is it checking, and why doesn't it see ntpsec? If it's doing something really dumb like looking for a specific init script (or worse, systemd service on dbus), it's not going to work with openrc without some tinkering.

I don't recognise that GUI window, but it looks gtk-ish. Last I heard xfce didn't have a native timezone config whatchamacallit... So MATE maybe? If that's the case it's probably looking for timedatectl+timesyncd, which is a systemd thing so you are likely SOL.

Then again I really don't know why anyone would need a GUI for setting the time to begin with, so personally I'd just ignore it.

#41 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Ceres upgrade error » 2026-01-24 23:53:37

devuan broken again

No, this is an obvious wetware error. Specifically, the user is running the unstable branch, but lacks the wherewithal to deal with the expected packaging flux or report bugs through proper channels.

#42 Re: Off-topic » GNOME & Firefox Consider Disabling Middle Click Paste By Default » 2026-01-24 23:46:38

KDE

...Is doing much the same with its not-like-winblows features and workflows (single-click activation, primary buffer on mouse 3, window shading, etc.), but at least they keep most of them available behind configuration options (for now).

Make no mistake, that's all this is - pandering to "users who are unaware" and dumbing-down the interface to the lowest common denominator to make the windows refugees more comfortable.

security

Is the siren-song of the Fischer-price UI, and the perennial excuse for the removal of sharp edges, no matter how useful they may be when used sensibly.

legacy feature of X.org which has stuck around for whatever reason

Reason? Because it's useful, and people who know how to use it are are used to it.

#43 Re: Off-topic » Microsoft and encrypted data » 2026-01-24 10:51:58

All the big-tech corporations are the same, this is just a new example of that which has been obvious to anyone with two brain cells for a long time.
It's the same old song: Company sells you convenience and "safety" (cloud backups, all your keys in your online account in case you loose them etc.), charges you in loss of freedom and autonomy.

You can:
A: Behave like a good little consumer sheep, use the big shiny product, accept the default configuration, and deal with the fact that you have effectively no freedom to do as you wish with your technology and your data is not even remotely yours any more.
B: Be scorned by the normies as a "hacker", and either use free software/alternative technologies or (often illegally, if US law is to be believed) modify the usual offerings to not screw you over.

Either way, this isn't really "news", and whinging about it is just shouting at clouds. Most people really don't care, they like being sheep.

#44 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Partitions » 2026-01-19 13:12:57

a forum to help people seeking advice

Why yes, yes it is... Which is why I call out FUD and non-technical hyperbole like the above.

poison a nice and good community

Oh, you mean interrupt the "Everything new is bad, everyone is out to get you, big-software corporations evil" circlejerk? Oops. roll

if you can help, then help

I do, with researched and tested technical support rather than vague, unsubstantiated "[x] is bad, don't use [x]".

#45 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Seeing Partitions on a Server » 2026-01-19 08:47:33

If you don't show us what is in /etc/exports and where your filesystems are mounted server, and /etc/fstab on the client, all that remains is speculation.
Speculation: You are trying to export a directory that contains mountpoints for other filesystems, without specifying the 'crossmnt' flag. See the exports(5) manual page.

#46 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Partitions » 2026-01-19 08:43:08

MBR and EFI mode are fine.
UEFI mode is the devil

This is pure nonsense, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

UEFI is a boot mechanism replacing the IBM-PC ROM BIOS bootstrap code and accompanying boot sector (MBR), which dates back to 1983 and is unsuitable for much modern hardware (notably no support for booting from NVME).

EFI is a dedicated partition used to store UEFI entries (or just a strange way of pronouncing UEFI without the "unified" because unknown reasons) much as as BIOS boot used a reserved sector. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you don't use UEFI you won't have and don't need an EFI partition, so saying the former is "the devil" and the latter is not makes no sense.

TPM and Secure Boot have nothing to do with UEFI, beyond the fact that the latter usually needs UEFI support to function as intended.

TPM and Secure Boot are operating system agnostic (so long as that operating system has a signed kernel for the latter), not exclusive to Windows.
They are not "traps" either, in that one can use or not use them as one pleases (unless your OS requires them for installation, which GNU/Linux does not).

TPM is a fairly generic crypto coprocessor and key storage. Secure Boot will use it if it's present, otherwise what you do with it is up to you - just like the rest of your hardware.

"Avoid evil feature" with no technical explanation (besides vague appeals to "youtube" wisdom) is not useful. Worse, it's plain-old FUD.

if your computer is equipped with ECC RAM modules, enable this feature in the BIOS setup.

ECC is a hardware feature, requiring additional chips on memory modules as well as motherboard, CPU (IMC) and BIOS support. Few "consumer" systems have it, and if you do you will know.

Linus Torvalds tells you

Linus says many things.

there are YouTubes on that

There are "YouTubes" on eating laundry detergent, that doesn't make it a good idea.

#47 Re: Documentation » HOW TO: Install XLibre on Devuan » 2026-01-18 13:00:39

* Yes.
* Not Currently.
* Depends on who you ask.

Enrico does indeed "break stuff" in master from time to time, but as of right now the Xlibre project as a whole is maintaining pretty good release quality.
So yeah, "broke stuff" is valid... If your goal is to never break anything, even in an unreleased master branch. Run things that way and you don't make any progress though, omelettes eggs, yada yada.

As for politics, I for one do not care in the slightest. I simply want a sane development process and software that fits the needs of both app developers and end users. Right now Xlibre is both, while Wayland is neither (wayland is policy > code, and development by committee. It shows.)

#48 Re: Documentation » HOW TO: Install XLibre on Devuan » 2026-01-14 04:28:24

looks like another dead project like so many of these repos are, the version in it is from September of last year xserver-xlibre-legacy (2:25.0.0.12-1).

The repo in the OP is 404 for me. Try here. README.md points back to the same nothing, but there are current packages in the repo.

#49 Re: Installation » [SOLVED]New partitions do not mount automatically without su password? » 2026-01-14 04:07:19

Not really, though conversely I don't see any reason not to set it to >=2.
The most common reason for a dirty filesystem is a power failure, so IMO the most logical time to fix it is when the system starts up again.
If check is disabled, you might find yourself needing to run fsck manually before you can mount the filesystem, I prefer the system to handle that automatically, at the earliest opportunity.

Setting check to '0' in fstab is roughly analogous to always selecting skip for non-system filesystems in that that startup chkdisk screen Windows will sometimes throw at you if it crashes hard enough or you pull the plug while there's disk activity. No big deal, but unless you're in a mighty hurry there's no reason not to just let it do its thing. Ext4 is a journaled filesystem, so a fsck is usually measured in seconds.

really don't like nano

Feel free to install your preference and change the default CLI/TUI editor with

update-alternatives --config editor

You'll want to be comfortable with some CLI editor, doing things as root through the GUI is both awkward and generally discouraged.
Personally I like mcedit, it (and mc itself of course) should be very familiar to anyone who has used classic Norton Commander or MSDOS edit.

#50 Re: Installation » [SOLVED]New partitions do not mount automatically without su password? » 2026-01-13 20:41:47

Numerical options were 0 and 0

FYI, setting the pass field to '0' will cause startup filesystem check/repair (if needed) to be skipped, this may or may not be what you want.

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