[SOLVED] how start ntp?

steve_v · 2026-01-29 13:32:56

deepforest wrote:

Why at all use unmaintained third-party tool if ntp working good whithout it?

Like I said, repeatedly: Don't. NTP doesn't need a GUI, it never has.
Read the manual for your chosen daemon, and configure it accordingly - in its configuration file or as a command argument in a cron job.

kapqa wrote:

still confusion about date and time

Seriously, how? This is not complicated.

kapqa wrote:

"ntpdate" and "ntp" seem no longe available

Those are now provided by ntpsec, e.g.

aptitude search ntpdate
p   ntpsec-ntpdate                              - client for setting system time from NTP servers

kapqa wrote:

ntpdig: no eligible servers

Yeah, you didn't specify a server to use.

$ man ntpdate wrote:

SYNOPSIS
ntpdate [-46bBdqsuv] [-a key] [-k keyfile] [-o version] [-t timeout] server [...]

kapqa wrote:

it seem the new command is "sudo ntpdate-debian"

It's a simple wrapper in shell, which uses a sensible default server if you don't specify your own.

$ man ntpdate-debian wrote:

DESCRIPTION
ntpdate-debian is identical to ntpdate(8) except that it uses the configuration in /etc/default/ntpsec-ntpdate by default.

Why. Does. Nobody. Read. The. Manual.

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rolfie · 2026-01-29 13:40:31

steve_v wrote:

Why. Does. Nobody. Read. The. Manual.

They all "know how its supposed to work".

steve_v · 2026-01-29 13:50:40

All of this ridiculous back-and-forth, tangents into who or what what provides $random_gui, blind assumptions about what commands do and what they are for, and posting vague screenshots of who-knows-what or wanting to "tick" something instead of just typing 'man' or 'apropos' [whatever one wanted to know about] or using the perfectly good cron job Altoid served up on a silver platter...

The thread should have started and ended with:

How start NTP?

RTFM. NTP is as old as time, nothing of significance has changed.

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greenjeans · 2026-01-29 14:05:23

Really the only thing that needs installing is ntpsec, it has the daemon and everything else needed, it pre-configures to using debian's ntp. Never had to do any configging to it, just installed it and it worked, still does.

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · 2026-01-29 15:18:02

bit of a carry_on/pile_on continuing the rtfm theme:

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/293:_RTFM

deepforest · 2026-01-30 13:38:57

Why. Does. Nobody. Read. The. Manual.

They all "know how its supposed to work".

RTFM. NTP is as old as time, nothing of significance has changed.

Ok, why at all Devuan devs implement third-party tool for admin time if as you said so "simple"... go deeper... why at all we need GUI and DE!?
That why Linux still not ready for desktop usage and never will at near future, here never nothing works "out of the box" like working at Windows

deepforest · 2026-01-30 13:43:23

Really the only thing that needs installing is ntpsec, it has the daemon and everything else needed, it pre-configures to using debian's ntp. Never had to do any configging to it, just installed it and it worked, still does.

because its f**ng gnome-tool at Devuan leads to misunderstanding for casual users,
logic > if i cant set up time via gui > how i can know that i need install ntp daemon that bypassing gui tool and its will set correctly time, if previously i set time manually via gnome-tool because it say that ntp NOT installed!?

Last edited by deepforest (2026-01-30 13:48:11)

greenjeans · 2026-01-30 14:37:12

Why do you have 4 login managers? What exactly are you running?

delgado · 2026-01-30 14:43:58

First word says ceres.
What else would you run as a beginner ... stable is boring!

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stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · 2026-01-30 15:03:24

more carry_on/pile_on...same song was sung 18 months ago:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6611

musical accompaniment

steve_v · 2026-01-30 16:50:51

deepforest wrote:

why at all Devuan devs implement third-party tool for admin time

Devuan didn't write, implement, or encourage the use of that "tool". Here is the wiki page on setting the time in Debian (which also applies to Devuan, sans the systemd section). Notice there is no mention at all of any GUI.

deepforest wrote:

why at all we need GUI and DE!

You are the one insisting on using gnome-system-tool or whatever it is, nobody else.
Also, we don't. There are a multitude of Debian and Devuan systems that run just fine with no GUI at all.

deepforest wrote:

misunderstanding for casual users

s/casual users/people who refuse to read the documentation/g
FTFY.

deepforest wrote:

how i can know that i need install ntp daemon

By reading the documentation, instead of "working at Windows"

delgado wrote:

What else would you run as a beginner ... stable is boring!

OP has a long history of running unstable (or better yet, mixing) releases, then complaining that "Devuan" is broken and things don't work "out of the box" when the inevitable bugs arise. Apparently "unstable is for testers and bug hunters" is also in documentation they refuse to read.

We used to have a whole thread for people to contribute to the community by serving as a warning to others over on FDN, before the big DEI takeover...

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greenjeans · 2026-01-30 17:10:35

First word says ceres.
What else would you run as a beginner ... stable is boring!

Yeah I saw that part, I was more interested in what DE.

gnome-system-tool

Well that in of itself would explain the problems.

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Altoid · 2026-01-30 21:12:50

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

Well that in of itself would explain the problems.

Methinks you nailed it. 8^°

Best,

A.

deepforest · 2026-01-31 00:09:47

First word says ceres.
What else would you run as a beginner ... stable is boring!

yes and no
i use Ceres because Debian several years ago drop support nvidia-340 driver at stable but still leave it only at sid

By reading the documentation, instead of "working at Windows"

why for working at Windows i do not need read documentation,
because all works out from the box,
working at Windows much simpler than at Linux,
that boring, and time to time i use Linux as puzzle game for brainfucking

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greenjeans · 2026-01-31 01:09:50

Sounds like you should use Windows if it's so out-of-the-box-good, good luck with that!

steve_v · 2026-01-31 01:29:58

i use Ceres because Debian several years ago drop support nvidia-340

So why not backport the package, rather than switching release?
I swear I will never understand why people switch releases, or even change distros entirely, all to avoid compiling something.

deepforest · 2026-02-01 01:04:00

So why not backport the package, rather than switching release?
I swear I will never understand why people switch releases, or even change distros entirely, all to avoid compiling something.

1. its very hard way, and i can stay with broken os after such experiments
2. can you give me 100% working instructions for your suggestion?

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steve_v · 2026-02-01 01:35:02

very hard way

"Hard" is relative to ones experience. If you never try, you won't gain any of that and it will remain "hard" indefinitely.

broken os

No X11/GUI is the worst you could achieve, and that's hardly "broken OS". The CLI will remain usable with only the generic VGA drivers in the kernel.

can you give me 100% working instructions

I don't do spoon-feeding, and I don't have any nvidia hardware to test with so any "100%" would be meaningless. Generic backporting instructions are here, and the source package you will want to build from is here.
You might need newer versions of some tooling (e.g. debhelper), but there looks to be little else in the way of dependencies.

Also, somebody has already done the "instructions" thing, and it took all of 10 seconds to find on the 'net. There are probably others.
You could have found those yourself, so I assume what you really want when you say "100%" is some kind warranty... Which you will not get anywhere, so you may as well stop asking.

brocashelm · 2026-02-01 01:49:13

Can't recommend OpenNTPD enough. It also works really well with Runit.

Zero issues with any time synchronization here.

deepforest · 2026-02-01 12:16:16

Generic backporting instructions are here, and the source package you will want to build from is here.

Thanks, but i have no enough skill level for so red-eyed solutions, i prefer ready for use solutions.

Also, somebody has already done the "instructions" thing, and it took all of 10 seconds to find on the 'net

I am tried that, before its worked, now its outdated,
not all packages download at this stage

Download the driver in 'Build/nvidia340'.

apt source nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver

Download the nvidia-settings in 'Build/nvidia-settings'.

apt source nvidia-settings-legacy-340xx

I don't have any nvidia hardware to test with so any "100%" would be meaningless

and what harware are you use, just curious as nerd to nerd?

ps

"Hard" is relative to ones experience. If you never try, you won't gain any of that and it will remain "hard" indefinitely.

Thanks,
its philosophical question "be, or not to be"
for me some times very hard is even to "try"
because Linux for me requires a lot of more life energy for the routine maintenance of its infrastructure than Windows
some times its curious like solve puzzles, but some times it like "fight with hords of hellish demons"

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steve_v · 2026-02-01 12:43:42

I am tried that, before its worked, now its outdated

Well the gist does link directly to an "updated" version, with "thanks this works" posts as recent as 3 weeks ago...

not all packages download at this stage

https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia- … 0xx-driver
https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia- … gacy-340xx
Looks present and correct to me.

i prefer ready for use solutions

If you don't want to try, suit yourself.

what harware are you use

   ..,,;;;::;,..
           `':ddd;:,.               ---------------
                 `'dPPd:,.          OS: Devuan GNU/Linux 6 (excalibur) x86_64
                     `:b$$b`.       Host: X9DRL-3F/iF 0123456789
                        'P$$$d`     Kernel: Linux 6.12.63+deb13-amd64
                         .$$$$$`    Uptime: 20 days, 23 hours, 31 mins
                         ;$$$$$P
                      .:P$$$$$$`    Packages: 1585 (dpkg)
                  .,:b$$$$$$$;'     Shell: bash 5.2.37
             .,:dP$$$$$$$$b:'       Terminal: /dev/pts/0
      .,:;db$$$$$$$$$$Pd'`
 ,db$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`              CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) E5-2665 0 (32) @ 3.10 GHz
:$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`                   GPU: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200eW WPCM450
 `$$$$$bd:''`                       Memory: 29.90 GiB / 125.86 GiB (24%)
   `'''`

and

         -/oyddmdhs+:.                
     -odNMMMMMMMMNNmhy+-`              ---------------
   -yNMMMMMMMMMMMNNNmmdhy+-            OS: Gentoo Linux x86_64
 `omMMMMMMMMMMMMNmdmmmmddhhy/`         Kernel: Linux 6.12.63-gentoo-dist
 omMMMMMMMMMMMNhhyyyohmdddhhhdo`       Uptime: 1 day, 7 hours, 1 min
.ydMMMMMMMMMMdhs++so/smdddhhhhdm+`
 oyhdmNMMMMMMMNdyooydmddddhhhhyhNd.    Packages: 2145 (emerge)
  :oyhhdNNMMMMMMMNNNmmdddhhhhhyymMh    Shell: bash 5.3.9
    .:+sydNMMMMMNNNmmmdddhhhhhhmMmy    Display (CB272): 1920x1080 in 27", 75 Hz [External]
       /mMMMMMMNNNmmmdddhhhhhmMNhs:    Terminal: konsole 25.8.3
    `oNMMMMMMMNNNmmmddddhhdmMNhs+`
  `sNMMMMMMMMNNNmmmdddddmNMmhs/.       CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10900KF (20) @ 5.30 GHz
 /NMMMMMMMMNNNNmmmdddmNMNdso:`         GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT [Discrete]
+MMMMMMMNNNNNmmmmdmNMNdso/-            Memory: 17.96 GiB / 62.68 GiB (29%)
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  `-//////:--.

I'm pretty sure there's also a laptop around here somewhere, but we don't talk about that.

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Devarch · 2026-02-01 14:32:02

why for working at Windows i do not need read documentation,
because all works out from the box,
working at Windows much simpler than at Linux,
that boring, and time to time i use Linux as puzzle game for brainfucking smile

Why not use windows though?

Or, ... at least Zorin?

deepforest · 2026-02-02 05:24:18

Why not use windows though?

already, i am use both, linux and windows, i am take all best things from two worlds

deepforest · 2026-02-02 05:31:49

Well the gist does link directly to an "updated" version, with "thanks this works" posts as recent as 3 weeks ago...

Thanks, i will try again

OS: Devuan GNU/Linux 6 (excalibur) x86_64
OS: Gentoo Linux x86_64

Hmm, very good machines!
This is PC desktops?
Why are you use so many ram?
How are you use yours PCs, job, entertainment?
Why Gentoo?

GPU: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200eW WPCM450

Wow, so old relic, respect! But why? Cuz Matrox gives the best 2d picture? Are you use it at CRT display?

ps sorry for many questions, just curious:)

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steve_v · 2026-02-02 07:25:26

This is PC desktops?

The first is not, the second is.
They are somewhat symbiotic though, they have a point-to-point bonded (10Gbitx2) network connection so most of the files I work with on my desktop actually reside on the server.

Why are you use so many ram?

1: For ZFS ARC, and why not. (ECC DDR3 was cheap at the time, and none of the components were purchased new).
2: I compile software on it, and why not. More RAM more better.

How are you use yours PCs, job, entertainment?

Those are both at home, so neither are "work" machines. The first is a storage(~64TB)/web/mail/camera/streaming/everything else server, the second is my main general-purpose desktop.

Why Gentoo?

Because Gentoo is awesome. If you want your OS to be your OS, there's no substitute. Think of it less as a distro, and more a collection of tools to build your own distro.
Gentoo is also the second distro I ever seriously used (after Slackware), so it was an obvious choice when looking for a rolling-release that didn't push systemd.

But why? Cuz Matrox gives the best 2d picture?

Cuz it's built into the BMC. That board doesn't even have a suitable PCIE slot for a GPU, and Xeons generally don't have integrated graphics.

Are you use it at CRT display?

I could (it's analogue VGA only), but I've never plugged a monitor into it. On the rare occasion I need to get at the physical console (or BIOS), it's via RS232 or network KVM over IPMI.

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