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#351 Re: DIY » So i'm doing a netinstall and have a couple questions » 2023-11-27 18:30:11

You don't really need to exclude Suggests, because they don't get installed by default. I would put such lines in a file under apt.conf.d (usually 00norecommends). That way they won't get clobbered if apt.conf gets updated.

If you do a netinstall, you don't need to update and upgrade right after. You already have the latest.

#352 Re: Installation » how to get a team work between refractasnapshot and refracta2usb? » 2023-11-27 17:28:04

The reason refracta2usb didn't get into the repo is because the package isn't built the official way. Ordinarily, that's just a matter of moving a few things around inside the deb package (and using different tools to build it). The problem is the code itself is a steaming pile of spaghetti, and I am afraid to touch it. It really needs a complete overhaul.

You can find the package here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/

#353 Re: Installation » how to get a team work between refractasnapshot and refracta2usb? » 2023-11-27 16:31:41

What does "copy snapshot to usb" mean?

refracta2usb does a few things that might be described as "copy snapshot to usb".

You can unpack the iso and set it up as a live-usb.
You can not unpack the iso and set it up as a live-usb.
You can copy a running live-usb system (that you made from a snapshot) to another usb.
And I think you can copy from a running live-CD to a usb.

What you can't do is image a usb with isohybrid like you can with dd or cat.
refracta2usb is designed to make multi-boot live-usb.
It also won't work with installer isos. Only live-isos work.

I don't understand what you are saying about your package choices. If you start with a minimal install, you can pretty much add whatever packages you like to create the system you want.

#354 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2023-11-27 16:21:45

@stopAI
Thanks for the clear and simple instructions. It works! (in daedalus, not in chimaera)

cws999 wrote:

pavucontrol dependence pulseaudio-utils, pulseaudio-utils and pipewire-audio Install together ??

I just installed pipewire-audio and it automatically removed pulseaudio. It did not remove pavucontrol or pulseaudio-utils. Those can coexist, and they they still work.

#355 Re: Other Issues » Seriously? » 2023-11-27 09:39:13

aluma wrote:

@fsmithred
Need to say.
This happened on an experimental computer.
On the other, where all sorts of extra packets do not fall, everything is fine.

Regards.

Yeah, mixing stable and unstable is a recipe for problems. A better choice is to mix testing and unstable, and in either case, setting unstable to a lower priority would let you be more selective about which packages come from unstable.

#356 Re: Other Issues » Seriously? » 2023-11-27 01:30:23

@aluma

What do you get if you run this?

apt policy network-manager network-manager-gnome network-manager-tde

#357 Re: Installation » all the new kernel disturb some old PC's! » 2023-11-27 00:59:14

The rest of the warning about i915 probably says something about missing firmware. Installing firmware-misc-nonfree will likely fix it.

#358 Re: Other Issues » Seriously? » 2023-11-26 18:23:36

Seriously,, we got to the fifth post and nobody has yet asked why network-manager got removed?

I'll ask the OP. Why did network-manager get removed? Were there any hints or clues in the output? What is different or non-standard about your install?

FWIW, I just finished upgrading my ceres about five minutes ago, and network-manager and network-manager-gnome are still installed. This is a standard devuan desktop install with xfce, i386, no customizations.

#359 Re: Other Issues » Devuan’s architectural problems » 2023-11-24 12:00:25

dpkg and openrc are not packages that we fork, so any bug reports for those should go to debian.

#360 Re: Other Issues » Devuan’s architectural problems » 2023-11-23 19:51:44

I really don't know what they are talking about. It looks like openrc already provides its own start-stop-daemon.

apt-file list openrc
...
openrc: /lib/rc/sh/start-stop-daemon.sh

#361 Re: Installation » an idea how2 start the installation's ISO from Debian/Devuan from RAM? » 2023-11-23 01:06:10

Booting to RAM is a feature in live-boot, so it's only available in the live isos.
If you want to avoid sitting there and answering questions for the debian/devuan installer, you need to look at preseeding:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed

#362 Re: Other Issues » debian pure blends (astronomie, chemie, education, medicine, media) » 2023-11-21 12:42:31

Oh wow. It makes sense once I figured out that the list of metapackage names does not contain any metapackage names, and that the list of Descriptions does contain metapackage names.

#363 Re: Other Issues » debian pure blends (astronomie, chemie, education, medicine, media) » 2023-11-20 13:31:55

Do you have any idea how to get those to work in Debian? They claim to show a list of metapackages, but those don't seem to exist.

In general, if it's in debian, then it's in devuan. The exception being systemd and whatever requires it.

#364 Re: Installation » Refractainstaller - luks encryption » 2023-11-19 12:48:56

Good idea. I have a note in the config file that says to make sure all the necessary cryptsetup packages are installed, but I don't list them, and that note is out of sight. Also, cryptsetup-initramfs is a Suggests, not a Recommends, so you still wouldn't have gotten it if you had not excluded Recommends.

#365 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta ISOs » 2023-11-18 13:19:28

The package selection was decided years ago by group choice. I try to stick to it as much as possible.

For spell-check in other languages, you probably need to install some other packages. Maybe hunspell-fr or wfrench  or something else. I'm not sure.

To set the system time, run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

#366 Re: Devuan » Do not install LibreOffice in Desktop Live » 2023-11-14 00:19:43

As others suggested, start with a minimal install and add what you want. If you exclude Recommends and avoid metapackages like the task-* packages, you will have a better time removing any parts you don't want. That's how I make Refracta isos https://get.refracta.org. I'm pretty sure Exe GNU/linux is also made that way (with Trinity Desktop) and some of the other devuan re-spin distros are lighter than the full task-* experience.

$ apt show task-xfce-desktop
Package: task-xfce-desktop
Version: 3.68+devuan4u1
Priority: optional
Section: tasks
Source: tasksel
Origin: Devuan
Maintainer: Devuan Dev Team <devuan-dev@lists.dyne.org>
Installed-Size: 9,216 B
Depends: tasksel (= 3.68+devuan4u1), task-desktop, xfce4, slim | lightdm
Recommends: xfce4-goodies, xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-terminal, mousepad, default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus, xsane, parole, quodlibet, atril, tango-icon-theme, network-manager-gnome | connman-gtk | cmst, synaptic, libreoffice-writer, libreoffice-calc, libreoffice-impress, libreoffice-help-en-us, mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us, hyphen-en-us, system-config-printer, orca, libreoffice-gtk3
Download-Size: 1,308 B
APT-Sources: http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages
Description: Xfce

#368 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] qcow2 virtual images for Daedalus » 2023-11-08 13:42:28

I don't think there will be any official virtual images. There are a couple you can find by searching the web, but it's not clear who made those images.

For a secure environment, you can just boot a live-iso in a virtual machine. Once you're there, you could also install it to a virtual hard disk and make your own place for testing apps.

#369 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta ISOs » 2023-11-08 11:23:04

The only keyserver I've found to work is keyserver.ubuntu.com - use that instead. I'll update that page.

gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 094c5620

If anyone runs into a message saying my key is expired, you need to refresh your keys.

gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --refresh-keys

#370 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-07 20:10:43

Where are you seeing wayland coming in? I just tried a simulated upgrade in a ceres VM that's a couple months behind, and it's not showing up. I also tried a simulated install of mate and it doesn't show up there, either. There are a few libwayland-somethings installed, but I assume they do nothing since I'm running xorg.

For GTK-3, I'm not worrying about it. I'm experimenting with lxqt in anticipation of GTK-4 and -5. (shudder)

#371 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Refracta created live system with auto mounted FAT32 partition » 2023-11-02 17:50:55

You might need to add the word 'skipconfig' to the boot command for the live system. It looks like that is an undocumented option.
See /lib/live/boot/9990-fstab.sh and 9990-cmdline-old

I'm away from home right now and can't test any of this. Please let me know what you find.

#372 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » SSH won't ask to save my password for later in terminal(XFCE) » 2023-11-02 17:42:54

Maybe installing gnome-keyring will do it.

Description: GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools)
 gnome-keyring is a daemon in the session, similar to ssh-agent,
 and other applications can use it to store passwords and other
 sensitive information.
 .
 The program can manage several keyrings, each with its own master
 password, and there is also a session keyring which is never stored to
 disk, but forgotten when the session ends.

#373 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Refracta created live system with auto mounted FAT32 partition » 2023-11-02 14:55:26

You can preserve the /etc/fstab in the source system by commenting out the line for it in /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/snapshot_exclude.list

If that doesn't work for you, there's probably a way to do it with a hook script, which I've used in the past but don't recall how to do it. See the man pages for live-boot and live-config and maybe even the debian-live manual.

#374 Re: Installation » how to change the init system ? » 2023-10-28 19:05:48

sysvinit is just a dummy transitional package. Use "sysvinit-core" instead of "sysvinit" in the above command.

#375 Re: Installation » Systemd-boot(it's actually not tied to systemd) possible in devuan? » 2023-10-26 13:25:40

Those packages will install in devuan. I tried it. I could not get the system to boot -  something about the virtual machine not supporting efi variables. Maybe someone who knows their way around gummiboot would have a better chance.

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