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#1 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » Today 02:49:38
Why, is there something more interesting happening here? Golinux gets to rant on about the follies of youth and the doom of humanity in random threads, this diversion is at least technical and GNU/Linux related.
deepforest asked questions, I answered. That's all.
Thanks you for very interesting conversation man! 
ps about Gentoo, may be i am wrong, but all strong sides of Gentoo equalize by time for detailed tuning and compilation especially at not powerfull computers?
#2 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-03 15:20:56
Because Gentoo is awesome. If you want your OS to be your OS, there's no substitute. Think of it less as a distro, and more a collection of tools to build your own distro.
Can you give practical example of that? Case where's Gentoo have superiority over others binary distros?
Why at main desktop pc you use Intel cpu but not Ryzen?
Why Gentoo have no installer like Debian/Devuan, intallation at Gentoo handbook looks very complex for me
#3 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-02 20:17:52
steve_v you are tru geek!
2: I compile software on it, and why not. More RAM more better.
Because Gentoo is awesome. If you want your OS to be your OS, there's no substitute. Think of it less as a distro, and more a collection of tools to build your own distro.
Understood now for what you need so many ram.
But Gentoo is source based and if i am right understand most part software needs compilation, and for fast compilation needs fast CPU and lot of ram?
The first is a storage(~64TB)
Huge! Its all hdd? What brand of manufactur of hdd are you prefer?
after Slackware
why you stop use it?
ps yours IT knowledge related with your job or IT is your hobby?
#4 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-02 05:31:49
Well the gist does link directly to an "updated" version, with "thanks this works" posts as recent as 3 weeks ago...
Thanks, i will try again
OS: Devuan GNU/Linux 6 (excalibur) x86_64
OS: Gentoo Linux x86_64
Hmm, very good machines!
This is PC desktops?
Why are you use so many ram?
How are you use yours PCs, job, entertainment?
Why Gentoo?
GPU: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200eW WPCM450
Wow, so old relic, respect! But why? Cuz Matrox gives the best 2d picture? Are you use it at CRT display?
ps sorry for many questions, just curious:)
#5 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-02 05:24:18
Why not use windows though?
already, i am use both, linux and windows, i am take all best things from two worlds 
#6 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-01 12:16:16
Generic backporting instructions are here, and the source package you will want to build from is here.
Thanks, but i have no enough skill level for so red-eyed solutions, i prefer ready for use solutions.
Also, somebody has already done the "instructions" thing, and it took all of 10 seconds to find on the 'net
I am tried that, before its worked, now its outdated,
not all packages download at this stage
Download the driver in 'Build/nvidia340'.
apt source nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
Download the nvidia-settings in 'Build/nvidia-settings'.
apt source nvidia-settings-legacy-340xxI don't have any nvidia hardware to test with so any "100%" would be meaningless
and what harware are you use, just curious as nerd to nerd?
ps
"Hard" is relative to ones experience. If you never try, you won't gain any of that and it will remain "hard" indefinitely.
Thanks,
its philosophical question "be, or not to be"
for me some times very hard is even to "try"
because Linux for me requires a lot of more life energy for the routine maintenance of its infrastructure than Windows
some times its curious like solve puzzles, but some times it like "fight with hords of hellish demons"
#7 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-02-01 01:04:00
So why not backport the package, rather than switching release?
I swear I will never understand why people switch releases, or even change distros entirely, all to avoid compiling something.
1. its very hard way, and i can stay with broken os after such experiments
2. can you give me 100% working instructions for your suggestion?
#8 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-31 00:09:47
First word says ceres.
What else would you run as a beginner ... stable is boring!
yes and no
i use Ceres because Debian several years ago drop support nvidia-340 driver at stable but still leave it only at sid
By reading the documentation, instead of "working at Windows"
why for working at Windows i do not need read documentation,
because all works out from the box,
working at Windows much simpler than at Linux,
that boring, and time to time i use Linux as puzzle game for brainfucking
#9 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-30 13:43:23
Really the only thing that needs installing is ntpsec, it has the daemon and everything else needed, it pre-configures to using debian's ntp. Never had to do any configging to it, just installed it and it worked, still does.
because its f**ng gnome-tool at Devuan leads to misunderstanding for casual users,
logic > if i cant set up time via gui > how i can know that i need install ntp daemon that bypassing gui tool and its will set correctly time, if previously i set time manually via gnome-tool because it say that ntp NOT installed!?
#10 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-30 13:38:57
Why. Does. Nobody. Read. The. Manual.
They all "know how its supposed to work".
RTFM. NTP is as old as time, nothing of significance has changed.
Ok, why at all Devuan devs implement third-party tool for admin time if as you said so "simple"... go deeper... why at all we need GUI and DE!?
That why Linux still not ready for desktop usage and never will at near future, here never nothing works "out of the box" like working at Windows
#11 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-29 09:34:01
The clock will be synchronized automatically as soon as you install an NTP client, and Xfce Clock applet will display the correct time.
There's simply no GUI to enable NTP under Xfce, but it's not really even necessary, as people here pointed out.
Thanks, that what i want to hear
Because nobody has volunteered to fix it yet?
If it's the default GUI time configuration "tool" (which, AFAICT it is not), then it should work with the default ntp daemon.
If it's just a GUI tool among several options... The same applies as with any other software in the distro - there's a lot of stuff available, and it's up to the user to decide which they want to use and check compatibility of their selections.NTP isn't broken, your chosen optional GUI frontend is. Fix it, report it to the relevant bugtracker(s), or use something else.
You could of course just configure your NTP daemon using it's own mechanisims (and have been up and running days ago), rather than insisting on this ancient unmaintained GNOME castoff GUI silliness.
NTP will keep your clock in sync, GUI or not. How often do you really need to change timezone anyway, and why do you need a control panel for a one-line config change?
Why at all use unmaintained third-party tool if ntp working good whithout it?
Check at Artix(openrc), xfce clock has no gnome-tool for admin time and chrony working good for synchronisation time there.
#12 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-28 20:36:12
so current no variants for automatic synchronization xfce clock to ntp?
#13 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-28 05:08:35
gnome-system-tools is broken, no maintainer any more.
and why if this tool unmaintained and have bugs, why Debian and Devuan still use it as time tool?
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=81938#p81938
#14 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-28 00:01:59
Not really. The Clock applet dialog is indeed part of Xfce, but that Time and Date Settings window definitely comes from gnome-system-tools - which Xfce (for some odd reason) still relies on for system time configuration. Without it being present (as is probably the case with the default Xfce installation), the Xfce Clock applet settings will not even show the 'Time and Date Settings' button
Understood, thanks.
So, MATE looks more solid than XFCE for this point?
#15 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-27 23:58:18
FTW I've spent considerable time over the years farting around with ntp.
Here is what I do now on all of my machines:1. apt remove ntp ntpsec
2. apt install htpdate
3. get on with my life :-)
Same, srry
#16 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service. » 2026-01-27 23:49:50
I'm guessing you have two files in /etc/init.d where one says it provides "udev" and the other that it provides "$udev" (where the latter is a virtual service name). Probably you don't need both, perhaps it's a matter of keeping "eudev" and moving away "udev" from there.
Thanks!
I am move
/etc/init.d/udev
and
/etc/runlevels/sysinit/@udev
no error at while
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# rc-update -u
* Caching service dependencies ... [ ok ]
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# #17 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-26 23:06:20
That dialog looks like part of the old gnome-system-tools package, which provides a GUI Time & Date utility, along with one for users and groups management.
Perhaps it lacks compatibility with the current NTP clients
no its native xfce clock applet(or its gnome app?)
https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/4.20/clock
#18 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service. » 2026-01-26 16:24:16
Mmm; it's rc-update that complains.... That's a different place with kindof the same structure.
I'm guessing you have two files in /etc/init.d where one says it provides "udev" and the other that it provides "$udev" (where the latter is a virtual service name). Probably you don't need both, perhaps it's a matter of keeping "eudev" and moving away "udev" from there.
Thanks.
So i do need stop udev service or uninstall it?
#19 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-26 16:17:08
That dialog looks like part of the old gnome-system-tools package, which provides a GUI Time & Date utility, along with one for users and groups management.
Perhaps it lacks compatibility with the current NTP clients.
huuh, it's mess, so xfce not has own time/calendar app, also as network-manager is part of gnome?
#20 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-26 16:14:25
The most lightweight is opentpd, while the most modern (and most suitable for machines with intermittent connectivity) is chrony.
tried chrony, same, not recognise by xfce(gnome!??) time settings
The real question is: Which one is your GUI nonsense looking for, how is it checking, and why doesn't it see ntpsec? If it's doing something really dumb like looking for a specific init script (or worse, systemd service on dbus), it's not going to work with openrc without some tinkering.
I don't recognise that GUI window, but it looks gtk-ish. Last I heard xfce didn't have a native timezone config whatchamacallit...
its xfce(gnome!??) time/calendar settings window
#21 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service. » 2026-01-26 06:04:46
Thanks.
Yes i am also have eudev, and its working
That what happens if i do stop eudev
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# rc-service eudev stop
* WARNING: you are stopping a sysinit service
Stopping network connection manager: NetworkManager.
Stopping hot-plug events dispatcher: udevd.
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# rc-update -u
* Caching service dependencies ...
Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service. [ ok ]
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# #22 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service. » 2026-01-26 05:44:11
why i have four udev?
root@devuan:/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top# ls udev -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 658 May 8 2025 udev
root@devuan:/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom# ls udev -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 403 May 8 2025 udev
root@devuan:/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks# ls udev -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1857 May 8 2025 udev
root@devuan:/etc/init.d# ls udev -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6821 Nov 16 12:05 udev
#23 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-26 05:28:39
Thanks, but same(
#24 Installation » [SOLVED] Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service. » 2026-01-25 00:46:45
- deepforest
- Replies: 6
what this mean? open-rc frequent show me
Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service.
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# apt install chrony
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
python3-ntp
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove it.
Installing:
chrony
Suggested packages:
gpsd networkd-dispatcher
REMOVING:
ntp ntpsec
Summary:
Upgrading: 0, Installing: 1, Removing: 2, Not Upgrading: 0
Download size: 320 kB
Freed space: 282 kB
Continue? [Y/n]
Get:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 chrony amd64 4.8-2 [320 kB]
Fetched 320 kB in 3s (96.5 kB/s)
(Reading database… 410883 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing ntp (1:4.2.8p15+dfsg-2~1.2.2+dfsg1-1+deb12u1)…
Removing ntpsec (1.2.3+dfsg1-8)…
Stopping NTP server: ntpd.
Selecting previously unselected package chrony.
(Reading database… 410838 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack …/chrony_4.8-2_amd64.deb…
Unpacking chrony (4.8-2)…
Setting up chrony (4.8-2)…
Creating config file /etc/chrony/chrony.conf with new version
Creating config file /etc/chrony/chrony.keys with new version
Creating group '_chrony' with GID 991.
Creating user '_chrony' (Chrony Daemon) with UID 991 and GID 991.
dpkg-statoverride: warning: --update given but /var/log/chrony does not exist
* Caching service dependencies ...
Error: udev is the name of a real and virtual service. [ ok ]
Starting time daemon: chronyd.
Processing triggers for man-db (2.13.1-1)…
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# #25 Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-01-25 00:34:32
- deepforest
- Replies: 57
Ceres
i am install ntp from here
pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=ntp=1:4.2.8p15+dfsg-2~1.2.2+dfsg1-1+deb12u1&eXtra
but how start ntp?
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# rc-status
Runlevel: default
rsyslog [ started ]
ntpsec [ started ]
cron [ started ]
console-setup.sh [ started ]
dbus [ started ]
slim [ started ]
sddm [ started ]
bluetooth [ started ]
seatd [ started ]
avahi-daemon [ started ]
cups [ started ]
cups-browsed [ started ]
network-manager [ started ]
acpid [ started ]
elogind [ started ]
gdm3 [ started ]
sudo [ started ]
bootlogs [ started ]
lightdm [ started ]
pulseaudio-enable-autospawn [ started ]
rmnologin [ started ]
saned [ started ]
stop-bootlogd [ started ]
rc.local [ started ]
Dynamic Runlevel: hotplugged
Dynamic Runlevel: needed/wanted
umountroot [ started ]
umountfs [ started ]
umountnfs.sh [ started ]
Dynamic Runlevel: manual
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# 
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