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steve_v

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Registered: 2018-01-11

Posts: 646  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

someone else’s posts

s/someone/something/g

Obvious wall of LLM-generated copy-pasta is obvious, and the arguments it makes are all either inane or inapplicable. Do you really think anyone here cares about the threat of "shadow IT", "unknown assets" or the rest of the corporate-drone buzzword-soup padding? We are shadow IT.

Many other boards have policies regarding AI generated content (usually "go away"), perhaps it's time for the same here?

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igorzwx

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Registered: 2024-05-06

Posts: 488  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

You seem to insist on your right to censor my posts.

fsmithred

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Registered: 2016-11-25

Posts: 2,826  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

Igor,

If steve_v has censored any posts, they were his own, and there's a note showing that he edited them. He can't edit your posts. I can, and if I ever do, I will leave a note in that post saying so. If any of your posts were edited by another admin, I'm not aware of it.

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igorzwx

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Registered: 2024-05-06

Posts: 488  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

Censorship doesn't necessarily mean editing.  There are many ways to silence someone.

There are many subtle ways to discourage someone from posting on a forum — beyond outright censorship. Constant accusations, excessive moderation, personal attacks, or repeatedly questioning someone's intent can create a hostile environment that pushes people away.

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laurie_dev1

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Registered: 2026-01-31

Posts: 11  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

It's possible to remove the D-Bus daemon and get a pretty lean desktop, but if you want every single part of it (e.g. libraries) gone, you'll pretty much have nothing to work with. I experimented with this in a VM, and it's pretty bleak if you do it. Dillo is the only "graphical" Web browser that actually does survive this purge.

There was/is an experimental Refracta ISO from the Beowulf era that removes as much D-Bus as possible, using SpaceFM with LXDE's panel in place of Xfce. Perhaps Fsmithred could upload it again for your curiosity.

I gave it a try with some input from that thread @fsmithred quoted.
I was able to run the xorg session using bspwm ok, pretty much left to terminal utilities for the most part unless you install programs using tk an the like.
Yes, dillo was a graphical web browser i could install, good old fltk.
gtk3 needs dbus libraries, not sure about gtk2, but seeing as gtk2 is being phased out, im probably out of luck there as well with binary installations.
As has been noted, one could probably build programs without dbus, i had a look into firefox but seeing as though it relies on a host of dependencies related to dbus and gtk3, one would probably have to build gtk3 without the need for dbus first then firefox without dbus, not sure if that would be even doable.
Maybe palemoon or basilisk gtk2 web browser versions could be built without dbus.
There was one browser called privacybrowser that didnt need dbus provided by debian but it wants to drag in a lot of kde/qt6 dependencies and from what ive read debian does not include support for security updates in stable in regards to the qt6-webengine.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … ug=1057755

This was just an experiment btw, not something i would use in production or daily, I need a fully functioning web browser like firefox.

But yeah here is what i did to pin all the dbus packages, not sure if all of those packages are warranted to be pinned, but why not do it anyhow!

Package: dbus
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-system-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-system-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-x11
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-x11
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-bin
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-bin
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-daemon
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-daemon
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-session-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: dbus-session-bus-common
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libdbus-1-3
Pin: release n=excalibur-security
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: libdbus-1-3
Pin: release n=excalibur
Pin-Priority: -1

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ralph.ronnquist

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From: Battery Point, Tasmania, AUS

Registered: 2016-11-30

Posts: 1,609  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

Don't copy AI output to here, @igorzwx, or anyone.

igorzwx

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Registered: 2024-05-06

Posts: 488  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

The skepticism toward AI today parallels the Soviet-era rejection of cybernetics.

From 1950 to 1954, the reception of cybernetics by the Soviet Union establishment was exclusively negative. The Soviet Department for Agitation and Propaganda had called for anti-Americanism to be intensified throughout Soviet media, and in an attempt to fill the Department's quotas, Soviet journalists latched on to cybernetics as an American "reactionary pseudoscience" to denounce and mock. These attacks were interpreted as a signal of an official attitude to cybernetics, Soviet writers thus portraying cybernetics as "a full embodiment of imperialist ideology” during Joseph Stalin's premiership.
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics_in_the_Soviet_Union

pcalvert

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Registered: 2017-05-15

Posts: 299  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

Don't copy AI output to here, @igorzwx, or anyone.

A possible exception to this is:

You wrote something yourself, and you asked an AI to proofread and improve your writing because you aren't very good at writing, or because English is not your native language.

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igorzwx

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Registered: 2024-05-06

Posts: 488  

Re: UDisks2: Security Considerations

There was an old Polish joke from the 1930s.  A group of hares tried to cross the Polish border. They said they needed refuge because the Soviet secret police were arresting camels. But you’re not camels! Yes, but how can we prove it?