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quickfur · 2024-01-11 22:36:37

The day we all agree will be a boring day

I dunno, it depends on what we agree on. If the day comes when we all agree on using ratpoison, ...

JWM-Kit · 2024-01-11 23:20:15

Not gonna happen.. It's gotta be JWM.. I've tried Ratpoison, Awsome, and other tiling window managers. I just don't like them. The keyboard.control is great, but I feel restricted with them. I quite often overlap windows were I can only see the desired part of the windows. So I need a WM that allows for overlapping windows.

I do admit that Ratpoison is good software. So we can agree on that. Someone needs to be using it. Just not me. Here's something we can agree on. I take JWM, and you take Ratpoison.

quickfur · 2024-01-11 23:31:40

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zapper · 2024-01-12 02:36:02

@golinux just to respond to your comment to mine, that does seem random. Although so does the second comment to be honest.

@quickfur honestly, don't think Google has better search results than DuckDuckgo. Maybe the meta search engine searx, it might, I don't know.

The more time passes, the more I wonder if they haven't made it worse. I hear they filter search results based on their own motives and they block access to older pages after a certain point. Not sure how many search engines do that, but duckduckgo, has always had similar if not better results.

You can do what you please of course, but like golinux said, they are a destructive evil corporation that doesn't need to be fed. I lost some faith in humanity when I saw 70% of the world uses Google as their search engine.

Like the world isn't feeding their data towers enough... and by doing so, hurting the environment and I think every time that is done, people's brains over time deteriorate due to the climate.

But yeah, on a positive note, very entertaining gibberish I will say.

@golinux (again) Btw, when I said 2nd comment, I meant on the link you mentioned, ie, soren's comment.

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soren · 2024-01-12 09:13:45

Quack Quack

chomwitt · 2024-01-12 16:00:32

I think indeed an ethics purist could vanish form nigthmares because before even purchasing a motherboard s(he) must eat. And i guess many we are still eating meat and i do believe that animals could have consciousness. Let's not start on what entities funded the internet..

So i prefer practical ethics. Meaning , that in a community with certain objectives if alternatives do exist and have been weighted and there is a consensus that choiceA promotes those objectives then the community should encourage by various means that choice .

So in that path of practical ethics in IT space , i think that there are alternatives to google . I try to use searx instances and in my kid's pc runs only Devuan + netsurf with wikipedia as search engine. Ofcourse i am not sure as to how much a metasearch that uses google search can be valued as an alternative or as a facelift. Anyway even more i value the fediverse alternatives.

But speaking of google.. i think the surface is way to more slippery that we can imagine .

Many libre-land organizations and projects have been funded by it. Even FSF has dipped it's fingers in the sponsor's honey pot. And then.. if we start that discussion i think it unavoidable to discuss the donation's ethics . And my opinion is that on that issue the surface has been more than slippery.

So slippery that a couple of years ago almost all know libre-land organizations that had been practising happy sponsor hunting from google, microsoft , redhat etc were willing to hump on on the RMS lynch bandwagon in a witch-hunt that acted also as a much needed distraction of the funding scandals from eipstein that had shaken from the ground the MIT!.. So ethic wise the libreland's most prominent organizations seems to me in such a bad shape that they are in danger to be tagged as a Grace Field House in the Promised Neverland manga..

How else to call organizations that under a freesoftware flag promote google hacker initiation events. (now this is getting also political!!..because the power that google has amassed makes it eventually a political entity..and politics are too much heated those days...).Or how else to call organizations that under a libreland flag call has github as sponsor , lay roses for programmers to use that forge and then we realize that the AI agenda needed fresh ideas to feed upon..

As to the hardware i think projects like MNT reform show the way forward and open risc architectures seem a good alternative too.

And last but by far not least.. we should discuss also the gaming ethics. Empires,fortunes and mega-egos have being build on gaming , and even nvidia that promotes itself in the well-oiled hype engines as futuristic AI -cloud company , a solid argument could be made that the kid's parent's purse have being the humble (but ethicwise questionable) fuel of those mega-ambitions. I think gaming is the elephant in the closet that nobody dares to touch and surely that closet has monsters in various forms.

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zapper · 2024-01-13 02:15:42

@chomwitt yeah, mnt reform looks interesting. As for the rms witch hunt, it is definitely suspicious that gnome devs, redhat and microsoft were the main groups that signed that letter. Some debian people too, but they were the minority if i recall correctly. Also google as well.

Right, like I will ever trust proprietary software vendors to make good judgment calls.

As for searx, it can be used without google as one of the feeds.

FAipLLC-Andrew · 2024-05-08 02:22:48

When DuckDuckGo first launched ( i nave no idea how long ago ) I tried it just like all the other ethical search service, donating a hundredth-of-a-cent for each search -- ANYTHING to get away from Google. But i gotta say that when I am up against the wall, i will use google. Once a month. 99% of the time I get BETTER, CLEANER, DEEPER, MORE LOGICAL returns from DucK. . why ?? because, for me anyway, i suffered through their growing pains, gave all my results to them to improve . . and by god, after a few years they turned a corner. What matters here - to me - is that we are graced with a plethora of options in our technological lives, and if one wants to feed the gorilla then don't complain when he takes your lunch.

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