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#1 2024-01-25 17:27:09

deepforest
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fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

Hi)
I want try FVWM new version that still development, what i need to install fvwm or fvwm3?

root@home:/home/freeartist-devuan# apt install fvwm3
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libperl4-corelibs-perl
Suggested packages:
  stalonetray
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  fvwm3 libperl4-corelibs-perl
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2,564 kB of archives.
After this operation, 6,299 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
root@home:/home/freeartist-devuan# apt install fvwm
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libperl4-corelibs-perl librplay3 libstroke0
Suggested packages:
  stalonetray
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  fvwm libperl4-corelibs-perl librplay3 libstroke0
0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2,605 kB of archives.
After this operation, 7,050 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
root@home:/home/freeartist-devuan# 

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#2 2024-01-25 17:46:23

deepforest
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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

i do not see any difference here between fvwm and fvwm3?
https://i.ibb.co/fCBxs6D/Screenshot-202 … -43-23.png

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#3 2024-01-25 18:56:08

deepforest
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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

what wrong here?

freeartist-devuan@home:~/Downloads/FVWM$ sudo dpkg -i nscde_2.3-3_amd64.deb 
Selecting previously unselected package nscde.
(Reading database ... 208978 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack nscde_2.3-3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking nscde (2.3-3) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nscde:
 nscde depends on stalonetray; however:
  Package stalonetray is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package nscde (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.36.0-1.1) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.26-1) ...
Processing triggers for mailcap (3.70+nmu1) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
 nscde
freeartist-devuan@home:~/Downloads/FVWM$ 

stalonetray

freeartist-devuan@home:~/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5$ sudo make install
Making install in src
make[1]: Entering directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5/src'
make[2]: Entering directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5/src'
 /bin/mkdir -p '/usr/local/bin'
  /usr/bin/install -c stalonetray '/usr/local/bin'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-data-am'.
make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5/src'
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5/src'
make[1]: Entering directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5'
make[2]: Entering directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'install-exec-am'.
 /bin/mkdir -p '/usr/local/share/man/man1'
 /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 stalonetray.1 '/usr/local/share/man/man1'
make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5'
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/freeartist-devuan/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5'
freeartist-devuan@home:~/Downloads/FVWM/stalonetray-0.8.5$ 

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#4 2024-01-26 12:13:03

stopAI
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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

I want try FVWM new version that still development, what i need to install fvwm or fvwm3?

Hello.

Just use fvwm3. FVWM2 is in maintenance mode. This means it won't be receiving any new features. Bug fixes will be to the core of FVWM2 only.

i do not see any difference here between fvwm and fvwm3?

Check this:

https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blo … owcomments

Last edited by stopAI (2024-01-26 12:14:46)

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#5 2024-01-26 14:14:03

deepforest
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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

Ok, thanks.
But i am talking about two packages avaible at devuan repos. Its bit werid that why i am ask.
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … m&x=submit
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … 3&x=submit
I am install both. But i see that fvwm and fvwm3 have same versions. And i see at slim now two sessions, fvwm and fvwm3 but it looks equally. Can you explain?

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#6 2024-01-26 16:43:33

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

But i am talking about two packages avaible at devuan repos. Its bit werid that why i am ask.

It is not weird.

The Devuan package contains some changes from upstream in order to  ensure that fvwm3 and fvwm don't conflict.

All the helper binaries are renamed from fvwm-name to fvwm3-name.This includes fvwm3-config, fvwm3-convert-2.6, fvwm3-menu-desktop, fvwm3-menu-directory, fvwm3-menu-xlock, fvwm3-perllib, and fvwm3-root.

Can you explain?

They are only similar, or rather identical, in their appearance. The difference lies in the configuration and source code.

Last edited by stopAI (2024-01-26 16:45:54)

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#7 2024-01-26 16:49:34

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

# apt list fvwm*

fvwm-crystal/stable,stable 3.4.1+dfsg-3 all
fvwm-icons/stable,stable 20070101-7 all
fvwm1/stable 1.24r-57+b1 amd64
fvwm1/stable 1.24r-57 i386
fvwm3/stable 1.0.6a+ds-1 amd64
fvwm3/stable 1.0.6a+ds-1 i386
fvwm/stable 1:2.7.0-2 amd64
fvwm/stable 1:2.7.0-2 i386

3 different versions in the repo.

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#8 2024-01-26 16:52:21

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

3 different versions in the repo.

So what? I don't see any problem with that.

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#9 2024-01-26 16:53:56

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

Just a hint to the OP. He was talking about 2 versions. I did find 3 ....

Its up to him to try them one by one.

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#10 2024-01-26 20:41:12

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

Ok, thanks i will try, but fvwm and fvwm3 installed from devuan rpos looks equally when i load as sessions from Slim.

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#11 2024-01-26 20:44:10

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

Now i install NsCDE. And have questions.
Why now all Qt applications at xfce have NsCDE window theme style, how change it to default?
Screenshot-2024-01-26-22-43-18.png

UPD
qt5ct is help
huh, why at linux all is "muddle"?

Last edited by deepforest (2024-01-26 20:58:46)

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#12 2024-01-27 10:43:13

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

huh, why at linux all is "muddle"?

This is on purpose so that users of the blog don’t get bored. What else to do on long winter evenings if not sculpting Frankensteins? smile

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#13 2024-01-27 13:30:18

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

FWIW FVWM3 is supported, active, and has especially good themes.  I gave up on the earlier versions quite awhile ago.

EDIT:

See: https://forum.mxlinux.org/search.php?ke … 377e5f168a

Last edited by manyroads (2024-01-27 13:32:12)


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#14 2024-01-27 16:09:39

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

This is on purpose so that users of the blog don’t get bored. What else to do on long winter evenings if not sculpting Frankensteins?

Agree, its interesting but have no practical sense, at the begining feeling pleasure but after frustration

FWIW FVWM3 is supported, active, and has especially good themes.  I gave up on the earlier versions quite awhile ago.

Thanks for reply, and personaly to you for supporting my homeland Ukraine!:)

But how configure stalonetray at fvwm3 and nscde? How activate it and add volume control and keyboard layout?

Last edited by deepforest (2024-01-27 16:11:29)

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#15 2024-01-28 10:06:35

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

Agree, its interesting but have no practical sense, at the begining feeling pleasure but after frustration

In fact, everything in Linux is extremely documented. Including Fvwm
https://www.fvwm.org/

And if you don’t have the desire/opportunity to learn the basics, in my opinion it’s easier to find a distribution that has the programs you’re interested in ready-made, like Sparky with NsCDE.

At least it's easier than blindly sculpting Frankenstein.
Although yes, the latter is sometimes more interesting and you can simply steal ready-made packages from another distribution and even convert them to someone else. smile

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#16 2024-01-29 06:19:54

deepforest
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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

At least it's easier than blindly sculpting Frankenstein.

here the point, it's so exciting making something with experemets wink

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#17 2024-01-29 06:49:37

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Re: fvwm or fvwm3 what to install?

it's so exciting making something with experemets wink

How I understand you! smile

Last edited by aluma (2024-01-29 07:05:10)

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