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#1 2023-11-12 22:22:44

oui
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Registered: 2017-09-02
Posts: 303  

how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

that is all my question (it was possible one time for me in Devuan! but I can't repeat the operation in other installations...).

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#2 2023-11-13 12:19:34

stopAI
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Registered: 2023-04-04
Posts: 131  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

PPA is not compatible with Devuan (and Debian)...

Just check this

https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

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#3 2023-11-13 13:54:09

oui
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Registered: 2017-09-02
Posts: 303  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

ok, I know, dear stopAI, but I did not ask for an indifferent PPA but to show you and other there is a great need and deficit in the scope of packages offered by Devuan ;-) ... For me, free Mozilla represent a great piece of freedom and the answer of the Debian world is very

negative.

You leitmotive is wrong: «Don't break free Mozilla, restore the Seamonkey», the only one wyiswyg Linux HTML editor available from an reputed actual version, one of the great working suite from Linux, a part of real Linux!

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#4 2023-11-13 15:57:52

aluma
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Registered: 2022-10-26
Posts: 532  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

Install the package

software-properties-common

It has the

add-apt-repository

command
Further as in Ubuntu.

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#5 2023-11-13 20:01:30

ExposeGlobalistsMadness
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Registered: 2023-08-17
Posts: 40  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

Hey oui,

If you want an early Firefox fork, why not help test and suggest improvements on the UXP-based Basilisk browser?  It doesn't use Rust, a code with proprietary implications!  "Most XUL extensions compatible with Firefox 52 should work", according to that link.

Once you download the .tar file, say, in the ~/bin folder that you might have, untar the file, check its sha256sum, and then you can launch the basilisk-bin file in a terminal by doing:

$ ~/bin/basilisk/basilisk-bin

You can also put a link to it in ~/bin so that your system will find it quickly:

$ ln -s ~/bin/basilisk/basilisk-bin ~/bin/basilisk-bin

Then, if ~/bin is in your system's path, then your system could probably display a Basilisk shortcut in any system-refreshed menu that you might have, or in dmenu or rofi, or you could also launch it easily from a terminal:

$ basilisk-bin

Videos play ok in the browser, in my experience, although you might find like me that, at least for now, while in development, pages don't load as fast as in other GTK browsers, especially at first.

By the way, Seamonkey doesn't have one good report for privacy.   If an early FF browser is what you want, help out to use and test Basilisk for a good Rust-free experience.

Last edited by ExposeGlobalistsMadness (2023-11-13 20:01:50)

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#6 2023-11-13 21:26:10

oui
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Posts: 303  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

Hi ExposeGlobalistsMadness

Thank you very much for that info.

The problem is my very very old way to work: I use intensively HTML all the time. And I did adopt in the past, probably about 1994 and I know no better system to manage information especially if you use a wysiwyg software! At this time Chinese developpers did offer not a real wysiwyg software but a coupled combination of a very simple minimal internet browser with an editor with special keys for all main HTML codes permitting to work extremely fast without errors as the code came from itself and was extremely compact! And it was possible to commute instantly from browser to editor and back to see! a few time later came the mozilla suite with the real  wysiwyg software as Linux did begin to become a real competitor for Windows95. It was a maximising of work efficiency.
Today, 30 y. later, Linux become a poor system...
No wysiwyg new software, the existing ones (followers from Star Office) produces giant code (for that, we have in Linux the really professional system Latex!!!). MS-Office recognize the language of little parts of texts since 1997 and checks then! No Viavoice in Linux etc.
My purpose is NOT some browser more but complete suites!
In the industry, we did have years along 2 systems: a central and professional system including for drawings and computer aided design, and a local place system for people with only few formation ;-) . Since 2000..2005 began the last one to ween in the favor of clients. So software like photoshop at the one side and autoCAD at the other did begin to become some (very poor and later a bit) standard. And enterprises having big professional systems did have to make face to clients determinated do use only the poor for ex. autoCAD software and did send drawing as contract base made on cheap poor autoCAD software...
Linux did become not the successor of serious UNIX any more but only the competitor in poor from MS-Windows...

And that is the level today.

A lot of base software for this stage comes from Germany (KDE, Star-Office, Sun's java, Suse-Linux, really a Linux used early in the German administration and one of the 2 first Linux distros of the world, etc.), the country were I live and did live all the time.

We don't need more browsers! We need better software, compact, fast, with clear design (would you take a printscreen with gimp? I know how to but it is not for me although gimp one of the best software to process the picture resulting of the printscreen...) and without disturbtion caused by software errors...

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#7 2023-11-13 21:47:43

mknoop
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Registered: 2017-05-18
Posts: 67  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

re:

Install the package

software-properties-common

I just checked in daedalus and the package does not exist in the devuan repository.

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#8 2023-11-13 22:06:11

jemadux
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From: Greece
Registered: 2023-03-09
Posts: 30  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

if you want the latest version of Firefox and Thunderbird your hands will be messy .. lemme explain .

download the firefox from here   [1] and thunderbird from here [2]
extact the files to ~/mozilla/

fell free to delete the tarbals when you extracted them

run the application in terminal

~/mozilla/firefox/firefox 

will start firefox in the latest stable version 

 ~/mozilla/thunderbird/thunderbird

if everything working fine then

 sudo mv ~/mozilla /usr/local/ 

feel free to symblink the applications to /usr/local/bin

 
sudo ln -sf /usr/local/mozilla/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox
sudo ln -sf /usr/local/mozilla/thunderbird/thunderbird /usr/local/bin/thunderbird

and now  create the applications entry to each one

Firefox

 
[Desktop Entry]
Name=Firefox
Name[bg]=Firefox
Name[ca]=Firefox
Name[cs]=Firefox
Name[el]=Firefox
Name[es]=Firefox
Name[fa]=Firefox
Name[fi]=Firefox
Name[fr]=Firefox
Name[hu]=Firefox
Name[it]=Firefox
Name[ja]=Firefox
Name[ko]=Firefox
Name[nb]=Firefox
Name[nl]=Firefox
Name[nn]=Firefox
Name[no]=Firefox
Name[pl]=Firefox
Name[pt]=Firefox
Name[pt_BR]=Firefox
Name[ru]=Firefox
Name[sk]=Firefox
Name[sv]=Firefox
Comment=Browse the World Wide Web
Comment[bg]=Сърфиране в Мрежата
Comment[ca]=Navegueu per el web
Comment[cs]=Prohlížení stránek World Wide Webu
Comment[de]=Im Internet surfen
Comment[el]=Περιηγηθείτε στον παγκόσμιο ιστό
Comment[es]=Navegue por la web
Comment[fa]=صفحات شبکه جهانی اینترنت را مرور نمایید
Comment[fi]=Selaa Internetin WWW-sivuja
Comment[fr]=Navigue sur Internet
Comment[hu]=A világháló böngészése
Comment[it]=Esplora il web
Comment[ja]=ウェブを閲覧します
Comment[ko]=웹을 돌아 다닙니다
Comment[nb]=Surf på nettet
Comment[nl]=Verken het internet
Comment[nn]=Surf på nettet
Comment[no]=Surf på nettet
Comment[pl]=Przeglądanie stron WWW 
Comment[pt]=Navegue na Internet
Comment[pt_BR]=Navegue na Internet
Comment[ru]=Обозреватель Всемирной Паутины
Comment[sk]=Prehliadanie internetu
Comment[sv]=Surfa på webben
GenericName=Web Browser
GenericName[bg]=Интернет браузър
GenericName[ca]=Navegador web
GenericName[cs]=Webový prohlížeč
GenericName[de]=Webbrowser
GenericName[el]=Περιηγητής ιστού
GenericName[es]=Navegador web
GenericName[fa]=مرورگر اینترنتی
GenericName[fi]=WWW-selain
GenericName[fr]=Navigateur Web
GenericName[hu]=Webböngésző
GenericName[it]=Browser Web
GenericName[ja]=ウェブ・ブラウザ
GenericName[ko]=웹 브라우저
GenericName[nb]=Nettleser
GenericName[nl]=Webbrowser
GenericName[nn]=Nettlesar
GenericName[no]=Nettleser
GenericName[pl]=Przeglądarka WWW
GenericName[pt]=Navegador Web
GenericName[pt_BR]=Navegador Web
GenericName[ru]=Интернет-браузер
GenericName[sk]=Internetový prehliadač
GenericName[sv]=Webbläsare
X-GNOME-FullName=Firefox Web Browser
X-GNOME-FullName[bg]=Интернет браузър (Firefox)
X-GNOME-FullName[ca]=Navegador web Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[cs]=Firefox Webový prohlížeč
X-GNOME-FullName[el]=Περιηγήτης Ιστού Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[es]=Navegador web Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[fa]=مرورگر اینترنتی Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[fi]=Firefox-selain
X-GNOME-FullName[fr]=Navigateur Web Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[hu]=Firefox webböngésző
X-GNOME-FullName[it]=Firefox Browser Web
X-GNOME-FullName[ja]=Firefox ウェブ・ブラウザ
X-GNOME-FullName[ko]=Firefox 웹 브라우저
X-GNOME-FullName[nb]=Firefox Nettleser
X-GNOME-FullName[nl]=Firefox webbrowser
X-GNOME-FullName[nn]=Firefox Nettlesar
X-GNOME-FullName[no]=Firefox Nettleser
X-GNOME-FullName[pl]=Przeglądarka WWW Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[pt]=Firefox Navegador Web
X-GNOME-FullName[pt_BR]=Navegador Web Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[ru]=Интернет-браузер Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[sk]=Internetový prehliadač Firefox
X-GNOME-FullName[sv]=Webbläsaren Firefox
Exec=/usr/local/bin/firefox %u
Terminal=false
X-MultipleArgs=false
Type=Application
Icon=firefox
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;
MimeType=text/html;text/xml;application/xhtml+xml;application/xml;application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml;application/rss+xml;application/rdf+xml;image/gif;image/jpeg;image/png;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;
StartupWMClass=Firefox
StartupNotify=true

Thunderbird

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Thunderbird
Comment=Read/Write Mail/News with Thunderbird
GenericName=Mail Client
Exec=/usr/local/bin/thunderbird %u
Terminal=false
X-MultipleArgs=false
Type=Application
Version=1.0
Icon=thunderbird
Categories=Network;Email;News;GTK;
MimeType=message/rfc822;text/calendar;text/vcard;text/x-vcard;x-scheme-handler/mailto;x-scheme-handler/mid;x-scheme-handler/news;x-scheme-handler/webcal;x-scheme-handler/webcals;
StartupWMClass=thunderbird-default
StartupNotify=true
Actions=ComposeMessage;OpenAddressBook;
Name[ast]=Veceru de corréu Thunderbird
Name[ca]=Client de correu Thunderbird
Name[cs]=Poštovní klient Thunderbird
Name[da]=Mozilla Thunderbird - e-post/nyhedsgruppe
Name[de]=Thunderbird E-Mail und Nachrichten
Name[el]=Ηλεκτρονική αλληλογραφία Thunderbird
Name[es]=Cliente de correo Thunderbird
Name[fi]=Thunderbird-sähköposti
Name[fr]=Messagerie Thunderbird
Name[gl]=Cliente de correo Thunderbird
Name[he]=Mozilla Thunderbird דוא״ל/חדשות
Name[hr]=Mozilla Thunderbird e-pošta/novosti
Name[hu]=Thunderbird levelezőkliens
Name[it]=Email Mozilla Thunderbird
Name[ja]=Thunderbird電子メールクライアント
Name[ko]=Mozilla Thunderbird
Name[nl]=Mozilla Thunderbird e-mail/nieuws
Name[pl]=Klient poczty Thunderbird
Name[pt_BR]=Cliente de E-mail Thunderbird
Name[ru]=Почтовый клиент Thunderbird
Name[sk]=Thunderbird - poštový klient
Name[sv]=E-postklienten Thunderbird
Name[ug]=Mozilla Thunderbird ئېلخەت/خەۋەر
Name[uk]=Поштова програма Thunderbird
Name[vi]=Trình điện thư Mozilla Thunderbird
Name[zh_CN]=Thunderbird 邮件/新闻
Name[zh_TW]=Thunderbird 郵件
Comment[ast]=Lleer y escribir corréu electrónicu
Comment[ca]=Llegiu i escriviu correu
Comment[cs]=Čtení a psaní pošty
Comment[da]=Skriv/læs e-post/nyhedsgruppe med Mozilla Thunderbird
Comment[de]=E-Mails und Nachrichten mit Thunderbird lesen und schreiben
Comment[el]=Διαβάστε και γράψτε γράμματα με το Mozilla Thunderbird
Comment[es]=Lea y escriba correos y noticias con Thunderbird
Comment[fi]=Lue ja kirjoita sähköposteja
Comment[fr]=Lire et écrire des courriels
Comment[gl]=Lea e escriba correo electrónico
Comment[he]=קריאה/כתיבה של דוא״ל/חדשות באמצעות Mozilla Thunderbird
Comment[hr]=Čitajte/šaljite e-poštu s Thunderbird
Comment[hu]=Levelek írása és olvasása a Thunderbirddel
Comment[it]=Per leggere e scrivere email
Comment[ja]=メールの読み書き
Comment[ko]=Mozilla Thunderbird 메일/뉴스 읽기 및 쓰기 클라이언트
Comment[nl]=E-mail/nieuws lezen en schrijven met Mozilla Thunderbird
Comment[pl]=Czytanie i wysyłanie e-maili
Comment[pt_BR]=Leia e escreva suas mensagens
Comment[ru]=Читайте и пишите письма
Comment[sk]=Čítajte a píšte poštu pomocou programu Thunderbird
Comment[sv]=Läs och skriv e-post
Comment[uk]=Читання та написання листів
Comment[vi]=Đọc và soạn thư điện tử
Comment[zh_CN]=阅读邮件或新闻
Comment[zh_TW]=以 Mozilla Thunderbird 讀寫郵件或新聞
GenericName[ast]=Client de correu
GenericName[ca]=Client de correu
GenericName[cs]=Poštovní klient
GenericName[da]=E-postklient
GenericName[de]=E-Mail-Anwendung
GenericName[el]=Λογισμικό αλληλογραφίας
GenericName[es]=Cliente de correo
GenericName[fi]=Sähköpostiohjelma
GenericName[fr]=Client de messagerie
GenericName[gl]=Cliente de correo electrónico
GenericName[he]=לקוח דוא״ל
GenericName[hr]=Klijent e-pošte
GenericName[hu]=Levelezőkliens
GenericName[it]=Client email
GenericName[ja]=電子メールクライアント
GenericName[ko]=메일 클라이언트
GenericName[nl]=E-mailprogramma
GenericName[pl]=Klient poczty
GenericName[pt_BR]=Cliente de E-mail
GenericName[ru]=Почтовый клиент
GenericName[sk]=Poštový klient
GenericName[uk]=Поштова програма
GenericName[vi]=Phần mềm khách quản lý thư điện tử
GenericName[zh_CN]=邮件新闻客户端
GenericName[zh_TW]=郵件用戶端
Keywords=EMail;E-mail;Contact;Addressbook;News;
Keywords[ast]=Corréu;Corréu-e;Noticies;Discusiones;Mensaxes;Canales;RSS
Keywords[ca]=Correu;Email;E-mail;Mailing;Llistes;Notícies;RSS
Keywords[cs]=Email;E-mail;Pošta;Elektronická pošta;Diskusní skupiny;Čtečka;RSS
Keywords[da]=Email;E-mail;Epost;E-post;Ebrev;E-brev;Kontakt;Adressebog;Nyheder;
Keywords[de]=Mail;E-Mail;Newsgroup;Nachrichten;Feed;RSS;Post;News;Usenet;online;lesen;schreiben
Keywords[el]=Email;E-mail;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;ημαιλ;Αλληλογραφία;Ροή;ΡΣΣ;Συζητήσεις;Γράμματα
Keywords[es]=Email;Correo electrónico;Noticias;Discusiones;Mensajes;Canales;RSS
Keywords[fi]=Mail;E-Mail;Email;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;posti;sähköposti;maili;meili;Usenet;uutisryhmät;syöte
Keywords[fr]=Mails;Mels;E-Mails;Emails;Courriels;Courriers;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;Poster;Thunderbird;Lire;Écrire
Keywords[he]=דוא"ל;דוא״ל;מייל;אי-מייל;אימייל;הודעות;מוזילה;תאנדרבירד;ת׳אנדרבירד;ת'אנדרבירד;ת׳אנדרברד;ת'אנדרברד;דואל;
Keywords[hr]=email;e-mail;e-pošta;pošta;RSS
Keywords[hu]=Email;E-mail;Levél;Levelezés;Hírcsoport;Feed;Hírforrás;RSS
Keywords[it]=Email;Mail;Posta;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS
Keywords[is]=tölvupóstur;rafpóstur;fréttir;fréttahópar;samtöl;skilaboð;fréttastraumar;RSS
Keywords[ja]=Eメール;イーメール;mail;e-mail;email;メール;電子メール;ニュースグループ;ネットニュース;RSS;フィードリーダー;書く;読む;Mozilla
Keywords[nl]=Email;E-mail;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;Nieuwsgroep;Post
Keywords[ru]=Email;E-mail;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;почта;письма;новости;фиды
Keywords[sk]=Email;E-mail;Elektronická pošta;Diskusné skupiny;Čítačka kanálov;RSS
Keywords[uk]=Email;E-mail;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;пошта;новини;подачі;стрічка
Keywords[vi]=Mail;E-Mail;Email;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;Thư điện tử;Gửi thư
Keywords[zh_CN]=Mail;E-Mail;Email;Newsgroup;Feed;RSS;电子;邮件;新闻;Thunderbird;tb;雷鸟;电邮;邮箱;阅读器;

[Desktop Action ComposeMessage]
Name=Write new message
Name[ar]=اكتب رسالة جديدة
Name[ast]=Redactar mensaxe nuevu
Name[be]=Напісаць новы ліст
Name[bg]=Съставяне на ново съобщение
Name[br]=Skrivañ ur gemennadenn nevez
Name[ca]=Escriu un missatge nou
Name[cs]=Napsat novou zprávu
Name[da]=Skriv en ny meddelelse
Name[de]=Neue Nachricht verfassen
Name[el]=Σύνταξη νέου μηνύματος
Name[es_AR]=Escribir un nuevo mensaje
Name[es_ES]=Redactar nuevo mensaje
Name[et]=Kirjuta uus kiri
Name[eu]=Idatzi mezu berria
Name[fi]=Kirjoita uusi viesti
Name[fr]=Rédiger un nouveau message
Name[fy_NL]=Skriuw in nij berjocht
Name[ga_IE]=Scríobh teachtaireacht nua
Name[gd]=Sgrìobh teachdaireachd ùr
Name[gl]=Escribir unha nova mensaxe
Name[he]=כתיבת הודעה חדשה
Name[hr]=Piši novu poruku
Name[hu]=Új üzenet írása
Name[hy_AM]=Գրել նոր նամակ
Name[is]=SKrifa nýjan póst
Name[it]=Scrivi nuovo messaggio
Name[ja]=新しいメッセージを作成する
Name[ko]=새 메시지 작성
Name[lt]=Rašyti naują laišką
Name[nb_NO]=Skriv ny melding
Name[nl]=Nieuw bericht aanmaken
Name[nn_NO]=Skriv ny melding
Name[pl]=Nowa wiadomość
Name[pt_BR]=Nova mensagem
Name[pt_PT]=Escrever nova mensagem
Name[rm]=Scriver in nov messadi
Name[ro]=Scrie un mesaj nou
Name[ru]=Создать новое сообщение
Name[sk]=Nová e-mailová správa
Name[sl]=Sestavi novo sporočilo
Name[sq]=Shkruani mesazh të ri
Name[sr]=Писање нове поруке
Name[sv_SE]=Skriv ett nytt meddelande
Name[tr]=Yeni ileti yaz
Name[uk]=Написати нового листа
Name[vi]=Viết thư mới
Name[zh_CN]=编写新消息
Name[zh_TW]=寫一封新訊息
Exec=/usr/local/bin/thunderbird -compose

[Desktop Action OpenAddressBook]
Name=Open address book
Name[ar]=افتح دفتر العناوين
Name[ast]=Abrir llibreta de direiciones
Name[be]=Адкрыць адрасную кнігу
Name[bg]=Отваряне на адресник
Name[br]=Digeriñ ur c'harned chomlec'hioù
Name[ca]=Obre la llibreta d'adreces
Name[cs]=Otevřít Adresář
Name[da]=Åbn adressebog
Name[de]=Adressbuch öffnen
Name[el]=Άνοιγμα ευρετηρίου διευθύνσεων
Name[es_AR]=Abrir libreta de direcciones
Name[es_ES]=Abrir libreta de direcciones
Name[et]=Ava aadressiraamat
Name[eu]=Ireki helbide-liburua
Name[fi]=Avaa osoitekirja
Name[fr]=Ouvrir un carnet d'adresses
Name[fy_NL]=Iepenje adresboek
Name[ga_IE]=Oscail leabhar seoltaí
Name[gd]=Fosgail leabhar-sheòlaidhean
Name[gl]=Abrir a axenda de enderezos
Name[he]=פתיחת ספר כתובות
Name[hr]=Otvori adresar
Name[hu]=Címjegyzék megnyitása
Name[hy_AM]=Բացել Հասցեագիրքը
Name[is]=Opna nafnaskrá
Name[it]=Apri rubrica
Name[ja]=アドレス帳を開く
Name[ko]=주소록 열기
Name[lt]=Atverti adresų knygą
Name[nb_NO]=Åpne adressebok
Name[nl]=Adresboek openen
Name[nn_NO]=Opne adressebok
Name[pl]=Książka adresowa
Name[pt_BR]=Catálogo de endereços
Name[pt_PT]=Abrir livro de endereços
Name[rm]=Avrir il cudeschet d'adressas
Name[ro]=Deschide agenda de contacte
Name[ru]=Открыть адресную книгу
Name[sk]=Otvoriť adresár
Name[sl]=Odpri adressar
Name[sq]=Hapni libër adresash
Name[sr]=Отвори адресар
Name[sv_SE]=Öppna adressboken
Name[tr]=Adres defterini aç
Name[uk]=Відкрити адресну книгу
Name[vi]=Mở sổ địa chỉ
Name[zh_CN]=打开通讯录
Name[zh_TW]=開啟通訊錄
Exec=/usr/local/bin/thunderbird -addressbook

Personally i am not using firefox & thunderbird with that way .
but if not working the desktop entries in menu
just replace the /usr/local/bin/ with the original file

[1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
[2] https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
[3] better create the directory and


Dev1 Stable | openrc | XFCE
Greetings from Greece

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#9 2023-11-14 17:41:04

oui
Member
Registered: 2017-09-02
Posts: 303  

Re: how to add freely PPA's for firefox or seamonkey-mozilla-build?

thank you for the reply but all that is NOT the better soup I like!

basilisk is out because no kompozer (and probably no irc as well as no email client).

but it is also completely dead for me as, like other moonchild it will not be offered excepted perhaps for M$ windows for the billion of poor men having only an old classic pc with 32 bit architecture. I have powerful (enough) PC with i7 etc but I REFUSE to discontinue the solidarity with all modest people and to cut the humanity in poor and arm...

there is NO valid reason to accept it as long such quantities of old computer can help to reduce the gap...

in an analog context I refuse the mozilla's depositories, know well all as the mozilla's came all with adequate links, no trees of links! but those mozilla's refuse to consider the Debian branch of Linux as major branch of Linux populated by an enormous part of those modest peoples I did just name, those modes peoples have frequently a low or no experience with code or LCI! and it was and continue to be the reason why billions of human prefer windows not MS but windows MS-helper, MS-make-it-easy etc.

those, having created, and those maintaining  the depository in *.deb's for ubuntu are real idealists knowing exactly what they do! they consider ubuntu as the most popular linux and it was really that until the two humanity gap's 32 bits as well as systemD, and they have wished that all concerned people not have to go to google software generosity only because they not have the knowledge to install and use the major Linux solutions...

Thunderbird was born as an error! because firefox did be created from commercial guy's having forgotten, that the mozilla suite includes a GOOD email client and although it did offer all that in more, in supplement (email client, irc, kompozer as well as the possibility of an extended instant messaging (yes, I know, Instant bird did never come including in the Mozilla suite, I, as French, suppose, it is because the last great Xul app's and the free book on programming it where very active in France and the German peoples did not like it: Firefox is coupled with the country "Austria" and, years ago, the German developers did have fear that some one will continue to redevelop and recreate a next www browser in the tradition of amaya. browser, that is money, a lot of money, also free browsers...

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