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#1 2022-06-10 18:00:28

deepforest
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How reduce starting Xorg time?

legacy PC - c2q(q6600), gf9800gtx, hdd

xorg log https://pastebin.com/raw/wyJC77cb

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#2 2022-06-10 18:14:17

Dutch_Master
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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

  • 1. install an SSD

  • 2. upgrade your hardware

You're welcome smile

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#3 2022-06-10 18:24:57

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Have you tried nouveau?

I'll get my coat...


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#4 2022-06-11 01:31:29

deepforest
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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Have you tried nouveau?

I'll get my coat...

with nouveau is much longer then proprietary, also nouveau have poor performance in games

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#5 2022-06-11 01:33:50

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Dutch_Master wrote:
  • 1. install an SSD

  • 2. upgrade your hardware

You're welcome smile

booting is quick but appearing desktop is ~20sec

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#6 2022-06-11 09:34:55

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

it is stuck 18 seconds on "Initializing extension XINERAMA"

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#7 2022-06-11 10:56:41

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

There is also this:

X.Org log wrote:
[    44.886] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[    44.887] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
[    45.134] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[    45.134] 	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[    45.134] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    45.134] ================ WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING ================
[    45.134] This server has a video driver ABI version of 25.2 that this
driver does not officially support.  Please check
http://www.nvidia.com/ for driver updates or downgrade to an X
server with a supported driver ABI.
[    45.134] =================================================================

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#8 2022-06-11 11:52:26

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

thierrybo wrote:

it is stuck 18 seconds on "Initializing extension XINERAMA"

thanx, i will try to disabe it

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#9 2022-06-11 11:53:29

deepforest
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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

There is also this:

X.Org log wrote:
[    44.886] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[    44.887] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
[    45.134] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[    45.134] 	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[    45.134] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    45.134] ================ WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING ================
[    45.134] This server has a video driver ABI version of 25.2 that this
driver does not officially support.  Please check
http://www.nvidia.com/ for driver updates or downgrade to an X
server with a supported driver ABI.
[    45.134] =================================================================

its just warning

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#10 2022-06-11 12:32:34

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Yes but if the ABI isn't supported then problems should be expected.


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#11 2022-06-11 13:11:37

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Yes but if the ABI isn't supported then problems should be expected.

i.e. using linux - problems should be expected wink

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#12 2022-06-11 13:12:54

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

thierrybo wrote:

it is stuck 18 seconds on "Initializing extension XINERAMA"

try disable, but no result

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "Layout0"
    Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
    InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
    Option         "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
    Option         "IgnoreABI" "1"
    Option         "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection

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#13 2022-06-11 14:08:07

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

deepforest wrote:

i.e. using linux - problems should be expected wink

No, not really.

I have an AMD card that functions perfectly under Linux thanks to the efforts of the (paid!) AMD developers who have open sourced their graphics stack (apart from the firmware) and contribute actively to Linux development.

In Windows I cannot use the open source amdgpu driver so I have to use AMDGPU-PRO instead and the performance is *terrible*, especially in respect of power consumption and temperature management. The blobby driver is shit.

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#14 2022-06-14 00:20:40

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
deepforest wrote:

i.e. using linux - problems should be expected wink

No, not really.

I have an AMD card that functions perfectly under Linux thanks to the efforts of the (paid!) AMD developers who have open sourced their graphics stack (apart from the firmware) and contribute actively to Linux development.

In Windows I cannot use the open source amdgpu driver so I have to use AMDGPU-PRO instead and the performance is *terrible*, especially in respect of power consumption and temperature management. The blobby driver is shit.

Agree, Can you you explain why linux community hate nvidia? A am also love AMD too for free and opensource politics. But now many software and games developers is nvidia oriented.
Here example https://developer.blender.org/T96614

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#15 2022-06-14 00:53:17

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

deepforest wrote:

Can you you explain why linux community hate nvidia?

This is a very old story that affects multiple (so-called) hardware suppliers. The "so-called" is in there because of the growth of Firmware within hardware. The hardware manufacturers love that firmware because it allows them to keep control. They may refuse to release the software source (also to keep control) and then are hated by Linux adherents.

All the above means that even if you currently have a working system, at some point something will upgrade & the mfc may refuse to update *it's* firmware & immediately your expensive hardware becomes a brick.

You cannot fix stupidity. Learn your lesson, sigh & walk away.

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#16 2022-06-14 01:38:02

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Hello:

alexkemp wrote:

... means that even if you currently have a working system, at some point something will upgrade ...

+1

Exactly the case with my Nvidia 340XX legacy cards with (up to now) no chimaera drivers.
The same thing happened with my Matrox cards a few years ago.

So ...
Then it was no more Matrox, ever.
And as of this year, it is no more Nvidia, ever.

If and when I need to get new cards, they will be AMD.

alexkemp wrote:

... cannot fix stupidity. Learn your lesson, sigh & walk away.

Quite so.

Best,

A.

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#17 2022-06-14 03:50:34

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Re: How reduce starting Xorg time?

Im amazed any system that old still works

I would replace
PSU
OS HDD
and replace thermal paste

Also check all FANS to be working

Replace Celey or i3 with an Xeon if you can source it from Aliexpress for that old socket type

Might be worth UPGRADING to an X58 or X79
instead of a system that old - Socket 478/771/775

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