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#1 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Thinkpad P53+Thunderbbolt3+2external monitors » 2025-12-05 12:01:44

Hello:
Welcome to Dev1.

rrbs wrote:

... have a problem.
... Artix Plasma
... Thinkpad P53 ...
Thunderbolt 3 docking station.

I fear that while you have supplied some data, it is not enough for anyone to be able to help you.
To start, what base Devuan release you are using.
I would assume Daedalus (?), but that is just me assuming.
ie: the output of

~$ uname -a

Then, the brand/model of the docking station would be one very important bit.
Also, if you are using the PS/cables supplied for the docking station or are using a different PS or other non-OEM cables; it can be a problem if the cables are not the excat spec the docking station requires.

Then comes the proof of life, so to speak:
The [dmesg] printout with the docking station and monitors in place and powered on.
That would give us an idea of what is going on with the docking station / monitors as your Thinkpad boots.

BTW: please make sure you use the proper [tags] when posting the dmesg output. 
eg:

--- snip ---
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU106GLM [Quadro RTX 3000 Mobile / Max-Q] (rev a1)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation CoffeeLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics 630] (rev 02)
--- snip ---

Something you may want to consider trying (to rule out any Artix Plasma issues) is to boot a Devuan Live *.iso and see how it goes.

Best,

A.

#2 Re: Off-topic » Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare? » 2025-12-05 10:34:06

Hello:

I wrote:

... only one word was needed: ineptitude.

And it seems to be a gift that keeps on giving ...

The Register wrote:

Cloudflare suffers second outage in as many months during routine maintenance
The Reg is still standing (this time) despite our best efforts
by Richard Speed - Fri 5 Dec 2025 // 10:16 UTC

https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/05/ … age_again/

Best,

A.

#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Recommend a Hypervisor ? » 2025-12-04 22:02:16

Hello:

Duke Nukem wrote:

... looking for VirtualBox in the repositories ...

See here.

This is what is available from the repositories.

7.2.4-dfsg-1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/contrib amd64
5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1 http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports/contrib amd64
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1 http://archive.devuan.org/merged jessie/contrib amd64

Two archived versions and one in testing/unstable.

No idea why it is not in the Debian repository (but not being there is the main reason it is not in the Devuan repository).
Maybe Debian has some temporary beef with VirtualBox till they can move it to a stable release?
Who knows ...

I use this version downloaded from the VirtualBox repository:

virtualbox-7.0/now 7.0.20-163906~Debian~bullseye amd64 [installed,local]
# virtual box repository x installation
# deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ bullseye non-free contrib 
# deb https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ bookworm non-free contrib 

Just in case, I have not updated it as it works fine as it is.
But then I don't use it for anything complicated. ie: a server or such.
Most important thing I run at every boot is a headless Chimaera VM for PiHole+Unbound, no issues to speak of.

There's also an XPSP3 VM and a stock untouched (save updates/upgrades) Daedalus VM which I bring up when needed.
Like I said, no issues to speak of.

Best,
A.

Edit:
Here you go --> https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox

#4 Re: Off-topic » Found my spirit animal » 2025-12-03 22:24:07

Hello:

For whatever reason, access to that link is blocked, at least for me.
In case anyone else has the same problem and wants to read about it, here is another link to the same story:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … quor-store

But not only in the US, AUssies have their own:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ … s-18-beers

Best,

A.

#5 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] fstrim and HDDs » 2025-12-02 23:46:17

Hello:

I wrote:

... post again if / when I get a reply ...

Got a reply after a few days.
As expected, nothing new, just the obvious:

WD support wrote:

Recently you requested personal assistance ...
Blah, blah, blah.
--- snip ---
... you'd like to clarify what TRIM does. <- Yes, on a HDD
... TRIM is an Advanced Technology Attachment (ATA) command. <- Really?
... allows the operating system to tell the HDD when it can delete data blocks so they can be reused ...  <- must be magic.
... works with Garbage Collection to clean up the drive. It can improve performance and extend the life of the drive.<- HDDs?
--- snip ---

As you can gather, my specific question was *not* answered.
ie: just what does [TRIM] do on a HDD (spinning rust)?

Further on there is a link which takes me to a page that does not have a link to the only WD document* with some information on what I wanted to know albeit with no clear answer.
* It is linked to on my previous post.

So no, no surprises here.

Best,

A.

#6 Re: Packaging for Devuan » [SOLVED] Packages that do not appear in the Synaptic package manager » 2025-12-01 21:22:10

Hello:

goinux wrote:

Perhaps this ...

It's not nice to be mean to old cantankerous bastards ...  8^D !!!

pkginfo.devuan.org wrote:

An error occurred while reading CGI reply (no response received)

Best,

A.

#7 Re: Packaging for Devuan » [SOLVED] Packages that do not appear in the Synaptic package manager » 2025-12-01 17:00:30

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

It's KDE ...

Ahh ...
Should have known.

The description was the giveaway.

greenjeans wrote:

... tool to accomplish various tasks. (that's me)

So that makes two of us.

greenjeans wrote:

... a complete immersive cinematic-style experience ...

Please ...

Like I said: the end is near.

Best,

A.

#8 Re: Devuan » Will Devuan ever accept Monero? » 2025-12-01 15:30:00

Hello:

Nice find!

Hopefully now it is sorted out.

... broken without javascript, you can't get to the monero address ...

I just clicked on the [monero wallet] label and the address string was automatically copied to my clipboard.
Don't use any of those things, so that is all I did.

... a bit esoteric ...

Well ...
Some people say that of Devuan.  8^°

Thanks for your effort$.

Best,

A.

#9 Re: Packaging for Devuan » [SOLVED] Packages that do not appear in the Synaptic package manager » 2025-12-01 10:19:53

Hello:

... allowing to navigate a software library by search, categories, top lists
along with detailed application information that includes screenshots
and reviews, users can more quickly find applications that suit their needs.

And this is something Linux Devuan actually needs to have in the repositories?
Who drummed up this crap?
Incredible ...

I tell you, the end is near.

A.

#10 Re: Devuan » Will Devuan ever accept Monero? » 2025-12-01 09:10:30

Hello:

golinux wrote:

Thanks for tracking that ...

You're welcome.

golinux wrote:

If verified that it is accepted ...

If Dyne takes care of the financials / accounting, I don't see why not.

Let's see what the OP finds out.

Best,

A.

#11 Re: Devuan » Will Devuan ever accept Monero? » 2025-12-01 00:34:05

Hello:

Cootea wrote:

... why the Devuan Project won't accept Monero?

From what I can see in the https://dyne.org/donate/ web page, [monero wallet] is accepted.

This string is whatever is used for the transaction:

dyne.org wrote:

49GZLW2J65c9tNDFEjv6gVVVHFhQYwfzmZMQu4tSeYFbPXxD61nWvGU6cSkCBEyixFErrmSPxWFdN6djuQX8nXBiBS3hqWE

Could not find a contact email to write to but there are quite a few other (Telegram and such) options.

Edit:

See this post for a way to contact [jaromil] to ask for the pertinent information:
--> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2317#p2317

Best,

A.

#12 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Running with disconnected SATA cables » 2025-11-30 11:41:08

Hello:

GlennW wrote:

... often disconnect drives I want to preserve ...

Indeed ...
I always disconnect drives I want to protect.
My box has four HDD trays (but no hot-swap), so it is a question of disconnecting them by sliding them out enough to unplug them prior to booting from the installation media.

The other two drives present in a DIY 2.5" drive cage inside the box use SATA data cables so port numbers are written on them with a thin indelible black Sharpie.
ie: no hassle to reconnect properly.

Sporting belt & suspenders is important when working on your main box.

More so when attempting to install something new. eg: a clean Excalibur on bare metal.
As only the destination drive will be seen by the BIOS, it is the only one that could get screwed up.
Hard learned lesson from when, in another life, worked on a daily basis with MS stuff.

Back-ups are (of course) there but the idea is to avoid the hassle of having to resort to them in case of [whatever].

Best,

A.

#13 Re: Installation » Upgrade from Devuan Daedalus 32-bit to Excalibur » 2025-11-28 21:26:03

Hello:

Dev1User wrote:

... bite the bullet and switch to systems with usrmerge ...

Hmm ...
Disclaimer:
Mine is probably not the most authorised opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. 8^°

From my point of view, usrmerge is a clusterfuck.
I see it as totally unneeded and poorly thought out / unplanned.
But that is no surprise to anyone at this stage of the Debian game.

That said, it is what it is: Excalibur gets [clean] installed and [dist-upgraded] as a usrmerge'd system.

It will be some time till the maintainers of all the packages present in the Debian repositories catch up to this.
If they don't, their applications will most probably throw errors on installation and as a result, will not work or will not work properly.
Some maintainers may not even bother.

But there are much more important issues for Devuan to deal with and this usrmerge crap pales in comparison.

With respect to your specific situation, there is one (and only one) real problem for you to think about and it has a name: 32-bit
Why do you think you need to run Excalibur on your 32-bit machine?

My dear Asus 1000HE from ca. 2010 has been running on Devuan since mid 2019, first on ascii and then Beowulf with a backported kernel.
And it still has the XPSP3 partition I previously installed on it, just for experimental purposes.
I purchased it second hand with barely any use for a very good price.

Unless I come across a very good motive to upgrade it, it will stay exactly as it is.
The coffee roasting software I am running is the last 32-bit version published and support for it is non-existent.
I do not want to risk screwing it up.

Dev1User wrote:

If I stay under Daedalus and allow all non-free firmware, then no errors occur.
The system actually works quite well, despite the errors displayed.

Not something to ignore, by any means.
Maybe the gods are telling you something?

Do think about keeping Daedalus running in your rig, maybe with a backported kernel (ask here before) if you can be sure it will help you in any way. 

Like I said: with a grain of salt.

Best,

A.

#14 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Printer suddenly stopped working recently » 2025-11-27 12:12:11

Hello:

Duke Nukem wrote:

... described as "daemonless "systemctl" command to manage services without systemd".

Yes, it is a systemd tool sanitised by our devs/packagers to work, like it says, without systemd.

But as Devuan does not use systemd, the tool used to manage* services is service.
* ie: start, stop, status, restart and others.

It a native and time proven, easy to use Linux tool.
Knowing how to use it is important.

See here for a hint.

Best,

A.

#15 Re: Other Issues » Preliminary excalibur desktop-live isos need testing » 2025-11-27 07:10:14

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

... using Mate as the default DE would be better and easier by far ...

Indeed ...
But I'll raise you one:

The default for Devuan should be Openbox with Mate as the DE option.

Best,

A.

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File in ~/.config/pulse » 2025-11-27 06:52:52

Hello:

fanderal wrote:

Good thought, but no.

It was worth a try.

fanderal wrote:

... replacements for mpv, ffmpeg and guvcview ...
... prove tedious and not worth the effort.

Yes. I agree.
Probably by design. 8^°

fanderal wrote:

Thought of vlc ...

That is what I use if and when I need to play anything.
Suits me fine for the little I do with multimedia.

I seems that libpulse0 will have to stay.
Soon we will neeed it to use a text editor.

Thanks for the effort.

Best,

A.

#17 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] fstrim and HDDs » 2025-11-26 23:54:22

Hello:

g4sra wrote:

... filesystem is ext4 which does support discard.

After thinking about this for a while I decided to contact WD support to see if they can explain if the [TRIM] command actually does something.

I should have a reply in a matter of days.

Then I found this page.
I don't undertsand much of what it says, but it would seem that the [TRIM] command does have a function in HDDs using SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording).

See this white paper* https://www.senetic.ci/i/objects/mmo_76 … 06_478.pdf
* p. 3 - Benefits for an SMR Drive

I'll post again if / when I get a reply from WD.

Best,

A.

#18 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] fstrim and HDDs » 2025-11-26 10:13:35

Hello:

g4sra wrote:

... filesystem is ext4 which does support discard.

I see.

EDX-0 wrote:

technically the logs are correct ...
fstrim simply has no way to know ...

Makes sense.
Thank you very much for taking the time to write it up.

Best,

A.

#19 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File in ~/.config/pulse » 2025-11-26 10:07:19

Hello:

fanderal wrote:

Can't recall why I installed it.

Must have been dragged by some other application.
In my case, conky-all needs it.
In yours, it is mpv.

fanderal wrote:

... purge libpulse0.
... broken libavdevice62, libguvcview-2.2, libsdl2 and mpv ...

Just thinking out loud.
Do libavdevice62, libguvcview-2.2, libsdl2 get removed if you purge mpv?
If so, you could use another media player and in the process rid yourself of libpulse0.

Best,

A.

#20 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] fstrim and HDDs » 2025-11-26 00:23:52

Hello:

EDX-0 wrote:

... depends on the specific hard drive ...
... accepts trim but ignores it ...

I'm just guessing.
I have not been able to find any information as to what is going on in a case such as mine.

But if the firmware ignores the TRIM command, why is it reported in the log?

/media/1TB/IMG: 109.2 GiB (117271797760 bytes) trimmed on /dev/sda1
/media/1TB/TS: 159.1 GiB (170784149504 bytes) trimmed on /dev/sda2

Shouldn't it log something akin to this instead?

/media/1TB/IMG: 109.2 GiB - TRIM command ignored on /dev/sda1
/media/1TB/TS: 159.1 GiB - TRIM command ignored on /dev/sda2

No matter, does not seem to cause any issues.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#21 Re: Off-topic » Question: Best/fastest repos in general for each continent? » 2025-11-25 20:10:05

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

... but myself i'm sticking to the old format as long as possible.

Indeed ...
Makes two of us.

Best,

A.

#22 Re: Off-topic » Question: Best/fastest repos in general for each continent? » 2025-11-25 20:09:24

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

... but myself i'm sticking to the old format as long as possible.

Indeed ...
Makes two of us.

Best,

A.

#23 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File in ~/.config/pulse » 2025-11-25 18:19:43

Hello:

fanderal wrote:

Pulseaudio never installed.

Good first step.
Next one is to block it in /etc/apt/preferences.d.

fanderal wrote:
apt list | grep installed | grep pulse*
apulse/unstable,now 0.1.14-1 amd64 [installed]
libpulse0/unstable,now 17.0+dfsg1-2+b1 amd64 [installed]

The apulse package is (?) a compatibility layer to allow pulseaudio applications to work with ALSA.
Q: do you want pulseaudio applications running in your box?   

If not, check with aptitude why for the reason the apulse package was installed.
If there is no valid dependency, you can probably remove it.

fanderal wrote:

All lines commented in libpulse0's /etc/pulse/client.conf.

aptitude why libpulse0
i  mpv Depends libpulse0 (>= 0.99.4)

Conky-std installed, no libpulse0 dep.

No idea why conky-all wants libpulse0.
See description here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/libpulse0

Apparently it is a package of pulseaudio libraries.
But if you do not have pulseaudio installed, what would the use case be?

BTW:
Please use the [ c ] tag for in-line code and [ code ] tag for blocks of code.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#24 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] File in ~/.config/pulse » 2025-11-25 17:56:26

Hello:

fanderal wrote:

ls -l ~/.config/pulse should tell you when ...
... then you can just delete it ...

Thanks.
But it has become a moot point.

Seeing that I purged it and then blocked it from being dragged in by any other package using an entry in /etc/apt/preferences.d, I decided to just nuke the remnants. ie: if I say 'no pulseaudio' I mean exactly that: 'no pulseaudio'

$ ls -1 /etc/apt/preferences.d
--- snip ---
avoid_pulseaudio
--- snip ---
$ 
$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid_pulseaudio
Package: pulseaudio:*
Pin: version *
Pin-Priority: -1
$ 

Since this last pulseaudio clean-up, I have not found any more pulseaudio instances in my system.
Hopefully it will stay that way.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#25 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] fstrim and HDDs » 2025-11-25 14:02:44

Hello:

g4sra wrote:
sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda | grep Rotation

Right ...

# smartctl -i /dev/sda
smartctl 7.3 2022-02-28 r5338 [x86_64-linux-6.1.0-41-amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-22, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Western Digital Blue Mobile (SMR)
Device Model:     WDC WD10SPZX-80Z10T2
Serial Number:    WD-WXD2A70DDH3S
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 212db172a
Firmware Version: 04.01A04
User Capacity:    1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    5400 rpm                                 ##### <--- HDD / spinning rust
Form Factor:      2.5 inches
TRIM Command:     Available, deterministic                 ##### <--- accepts TRIM 
Device is:        In smartctl database 7.3/5319
ATA Version is:   ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 5
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Tue Nov 25 10:25:51 2025 -03
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
# 

My question was more than anything oriented to the utility of fstrim on spinning rust.
I have read on the web that, while it does no harm, it is also useless.

Edit:
It seems that while the firmware actually accepts the TRIM command, it is ignored.

1A blurb on the web about the WDC WD10SPZX wrote:

---
TRIM is supported, but not actively used: The drive's specifications indicate that clearing unused data (TRIM) is "supported" as part of its general ATA command set (ACS-3). However, TRIM is primarily an optimization feature for SSDs, where it helps manage data blocks to maintain write performance and longevity.

HDD operation: As a traditional HDD with spinning platters and magnetic storage, the WD10SPZX manages data internally through standard garbage collection and wear-leveling algorithms specific to mechanical drives. The TRIM command, while technically part of the command set, does no have the same functional effect as it does on flash-based storage (SSDs).
---

I guess that if fstrim is ignored by the HDD firmware (and does nothing in spite of reporting to the log file), I could leave things as they are.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

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