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#2301 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can someone explain... » 2019-01-04 19:01:02
"Dont Make A FrankenDebian"
Should be front and center of both Debian and Devuan websites, a good percentage of issues like this are always popping up at forums and elsewhere regularly. There is a wiki https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian but how would a new or uninformed user know where to find that info before he/she break it?
Or maybe "Debian is not Ubuntu or Mint or MX Linux" ........
That would only be useful if a new user actually bothers to read anything. These days users tend to leap before looking. A garish flashing popup is the only thing that MIGHT grab someone's attention . . .
FYI . . . this is on the download page of the devuan website and I'm pretty sure repeated on the repo pages too. Those who do not seek will not find:
Package repositories
Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian’s, should NOT be used directly. Devuan recommends using the codename (jessie, ascii, beowulf, ceres) rather than the suite (oldstable, stable, testing, unstable) in sources.list entries.
#2302 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-04 17:39:17
Is that the same as devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso 07-Jun-2018 00:18 1.0G which I'm using from here? https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr … ktop-live/
What does that one do easier/better?
The -live and netinst use different installers.
The -live isos use the refractainstaller which rsyncs the running system to your specified location.
The netinst isos use the classic debian-installer which is documented here:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … evuan.html
and here for the graphic install:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … stall.html
Description of the Devuan isos can be found in the ISO Guide section of the devuan.org index page
#2303 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-03 23:00:46
I am launching from the desktop.
Pop-ups: choose su or sudo, I choose su then I get the yad refractainstaller popup. I think I'll bypass the desktop launch and try the cli this time.thanks again.
Sounds like you're on your way! Let us know how it works out. FWIW, I use the cli version also. We'll be adding a page with screenshots for a cli install too.
#2304 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-03 20:36:28
If you're already in a live session, just launch the installer from the icon on the desktop or the system menu and follow the instructions on the webpage posted above.
Note: You can also launch the cli installer as root with refractainstaller and the graphical one with refractainstaller-yad.
There was also an issue with certain yad versions shoving the installer dialogues off-screen so it might just be that you have an older version of yad and need to upgrade.
#2305 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-03 19:18:46
I'm not quite clear what you are trying to do. Can you provide a little more information?
This beta is a WIP but very close to finished: https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … e-gui.html. I will be making some changes later today.
Also please read the RELEASE NOTES on the desktop if you have not already done so
#2306 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2019-01-03 18:47:08
@golinux: I am not sure how the rdepends from your posting relates to that. Maybe this changed from Jessie?
There was a question about how pusleaudio rdepends on beowulf compared to earlier releases.
#2307 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can someone explain... » 2019-01-03 18:40:35
Why would you think they would be? It is a _very bad idea_ to use Debian-related packages from other sources on Devuan.
Not *everyone* is as up on Ubuntu/Debian differences. Since Ubuntu is forked from Debian as is Devuan, its an easy to assume idea.. No need to be snippy about my lack of knowledge...
You're right of course. Devuan users tend to be pretty savvy but I should not assume we all are. We also tend to be pretty thick-skinned. 
The Debian wiki is quite clear about not mixing repositories: Don't make a FrankenDebian
Repositories that can create a FrankenDebian if used with Debian Stable:
- Debian testing release (currently buster)
- Debian unstable release (also known as sid)
- Ubuntu, Mint or other derivative repositories are not compatible with Debian!
- Ubuntu PPAs
#2308 Re: Installation » Install fail2ban on ascii [SOLVED] » 2019-01-03 18:08:13
Hi,
the package python3-systemd is only for the backend systemd, it is possible to use other backend (see backend comment on /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf)
the package seems to be ok on Devuan.
Alberto
Yes, I saw python3-systemd was not on the banned pkg list. I have asked KatolaZ whether it should be. Will post when he responds.
#2309 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can someone explain... » 2019-01-03 17:10:09
The debs I built on Ubuntu 18.04 are not happy on Devuan. Thanks again!!
Why would you think they would be? It is a _very bad idea_ to use Debian-related packages from other sources on Devuan.
#2310 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-31 18:34:08
On the OP, I'd probably be around here more often if it wasn't for the disturbing level of tinfoil hat insanity that goes on. Some people really need to get a grip.
Huh? There is much less tinfoil fantasy here than on most other forums. It is mostly high level technical discussions and problem solving. Maybe if you were around more often you'd know that.
#2311 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-31 17:21:05
Perhaps someone will step up to do that.
#2312 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-31 01:23:25
As far as I know there is no dependency on pulseaudio with quantum. I am running it on OpenBSD and I have no pulseaudio installed - and no alsa in fact.
It looks like it might only be on Linux systems
#2313 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-30 18:19:00
My understanding is that it just fools FF into thinking pulseaudio is there. It has been discussed off and on for the last several years on the DNG mail list and this very forum so a little search fu might give you some ideas. I'm still on jessie so no need to go there yet. Good luck and let us know how it works for you.
#2314 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-29 21:50:59
So it seems the libpulse0 is whats really dependent.
That is true even in jessie. It is similar to libsystemd0 that it really doesn't do anything if pulseaudio is not installed but it is a cosmetic/mental annoyance.
If you decide to remove/disable pulse, a nice xfce panel volume control is volumeicon-alsa.
Thanks fo the suggestion.
#2315 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-29 19:46:49
OK. I booted my pretty vanilla beowulf and ran this:
# apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio
pulseaudio
Reverse Depends:
pulseaudio-equalizer
firefox-esr
xpra
xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
surf-display
speech-dispatcher
sdrangelove
scratch
python3-x2go
python-x2go
pulseaudio-utils
pulseaudio-module-zeroconf
pulseaudio-module-raop
pulseaudio-module-lirc
pulseaudio-module-jack
pulseaudio-module-gsettings
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
cairo-dock-impulse-plug-in
projectm-pulseaudio
plasma-pa
persepolis
pavucontrol-qt
pavucontrol
pamix
osspd-pulseaudio
mpg123
mpd
morse
minimodem
ltsp-server
ltsp-client-core
ltsp-client
lives
libpulse0
libcanberra-pulse
|kde-telepathy-call-ui
impressive-display
gqrx-sdr
gnome-settings-daemon
gnome-core
firefox-esr
education-ltsp-server
cinnamon-settings-daemonxfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and firefox-esr are the ones that will trip me up when I transition to beowulf as my daily driver.
#2316 Re: Other Issues » Click-Drag on desktop changed » 2018-12-29 17:47:14
Gremlins in the machine? LOL!
#2317 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-29 17:22:39
Not sure whether that's possible anymore. You try installing parts of xfce4 from scratch without the meta package and without recommends/suggests. If pulseaudio shows up in a package's list of dependencies, you can decide whether to install it or not. Disclaimer: My daily driver is still jessie.
#2318 Re: Installation » Xen and the art of VM » 2018-12-26 17:49:35
The installation process did not seem to follow the new (?) guide :-
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … stall.html
Maybe that guide was not from the live iso. Now I know how to do it, I may have a few more goes at installation, including the ncurses interface.
Geoff
That guide is for the classic Debian installer which most of our isos use. Only the -live isos use the refracta installer. We are currently working on a similar guide for the refractainstaller.
#2319 Re: Off-topic » Holiday thread/traditions » 2018-12-25 23:10:49
@yeti . . . WOW! Just saw your new sig. Made my day.
#2320 Re: Off-topic » Holiday thread/traditions » 2018-12-25 17:17:51
Holiday traditions are a form of social control and propaganda. All of them pretty much suck and disrupt the sameness of days. I ignore all of them. I do acknowledge the solstice and equinox - reminds me how small we are in the universe - and of course, the birth of Devuan. LOLOLOL!
#2321 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] wpa_supplicant doesn't log in to wifi on boot » 2018-12-24 20:11:47
Happy to hear you're making progress.
#2322 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] wpa_supplicant doesn't log in to wifi on boot » 2018-12-23 22:45:58
#2323 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2018-12-23 03:03:11
Goodbye Devuan and Debian! Hello Freebsd! I'm leaving linux land. It was nice to visit this forum.
Sorry to see you go. I hope it wasn't that one weird thread that chased you off. Wander back in any time. 
#2324 Re: Devuan » A philosophical diatribe: How to avoid having users - and how not to » 2018-12-22 02:10:19
As a result of this thread some changes are being made to the Devuan website. A description of the available isos has been added to both https://beta.devuan.org/ and https://beta.devuan.org/get-devuan (the mirror/download page). And now there are visual guides (with screenshots) for both a classic install and a graphical install. These changes are now available on the beta site for review and comments.
https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … evuan.html
https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … ption.html
https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … stall.html
https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … ption.html
So why do they they look different than the rest of the site? Well, an earlier version of these pages was prepared last spring for inclusion in the ASCII isos that use the debian-installer and it was easier to keep them in that format.
There is still more to come with the addition of similar walk-throughs for the refractainstaller GUI and cli.
#2325 Re: Devuan » RFC: Boobian » 2018-12-22 01:34:30
@cynwulf . . . I know 'tis the season to be grumpy but can you please take it down a notch? None of us here are happy about the direction Debian is going. But let's just move on and do something constructive. Maybe you would if you even used Debian or Devuan these days . . .
@Will W. . . . As I indicated in my previous post . . . if packages that you use are removed in Debian, feel free to build and maintain them for Devuan. If no one steps up to do that, you're on your own to get them however you want. Just don't bitch about it here expecting someone else to do it for you.
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