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#2201 Re: Installation » [Some tests - Beowulf] » 2019-01-22 21:58:20
I want do rss > torrent.
Maybe the devuan team should think about provide the rss.
We already do on the index page of https://devuan.org/ under the Get Devuan header:
You can also download Devuan using our release torrent or magnet link.
And at https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii.torrent and https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie.torrent
#2202 Re: Installation » Migration from Debian: How to verify the devuan keyring? » 2019-01-22 20:40:09
this maybe : https://devuan.org/os/keyring/
Noooooo! That is an old deprecated page. Info is at the bottom of this page:
https://devuan.org/os/
Probably in the Release Notes also.
#2203 Re: Devuan » Great OS, minor critiques » 2019-01-22 18:57:09
golinux wrote:In fact, I'm using mate's version of "Users and Groups" (at your suggestion years ago) which I think is in mate-system-tools. I set things up so long ago, I can't remember exactly.
mate-system-tools has been removed some time ago (last release : jessie).
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=812730
gnome-system-tools should provide same functionalities.
Right. I couldn't remember the name of that pkg. Thanks. Yeah, that's what I have in my ASCII VM.
#2204 Re: Other Issues » Devuan as VirtualBox host system » 2019-01-22 17:30:39
I have got the 5.2.18 Debian Stretch package loaded directly from Oracle installed on a Ryzen2700X and 32 GByte of RAM, no issues.
Maybe thats the way to go.
Good luck, Rolf
I also use the oracle packages.
#2205 Re: Devuan » Great OS, minor critiques » 2019-01-22 16:34:31
No GUI user management.
That's an xfce thing. Other desktops have their own management tools.
There are user GUI management tools in xfce? That's news to me. In fact, I'm using mate's version of "Users and Groups" (at your suggestion years ago) which I think is in mate-system-tools. I set things up so long ago, I can't remember exactly.
#2206 Re: Devuan » Great OS, minor critiques » 2019-01-22 04:49:07
Feedback is always appreciated especially when it's so enthusiastic!
I know that Synaptic Package Manager is installed which is great, but an average user couldn't find new software using it. So if an 'app store' of some sort was present that would be great. I tried 'sudo apt-get install gnome-software', but for some unknown reason, it will only show me whats already installed and nothing online. I may have messed that up, because at first I tried to install it using a debian package. I have since tried to reinstall via command line, no success.
Then new users need to do some reading. 
Also it's a _very bad idea_ to install directly from the debian repos. The Debian repos are provided by devuan via a filtered redirect so you won't install something dependent on systemd and bork your system. The list of banned pkgs is here. You will find in my sig a link to search devuan packages.
No GUI third party/proprietary drivers program like 'software-properties-gtk'. I know that doing a google search would also yield the correct drivers. But it would be nice to have a program that would search the hardware of your computer and offer additional drivers.
Have you enabled non-free and contib in your sources.list?
I guess PPAs aren't supported, or maybe I don't know how its done in devuan.
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/deepin-sc
aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/ascii
I would question using this OS as my main because I may run across a scenario where I desperately need something installed and it has to be done by PPA.
We do not have ppas in Devuan though there are some unofficial projects in our gitlab. The Debian wiki is quite clear about not mixing repositories. The same goes for Devuan: Don't make a FrankenDebian
Repositories that can create a FrankenDebian if used with Debian Stable:
- Debian testing release (currently buster)
- Debian unstable release (also known as sid)
- Ubuntu, Mint or other derivative repositories are not compatible with Debian!
- Ubuntu PPAs
No GUI user management.
Mate has a pkg for user management but can't think of the name atm.
Another minor thing, I thought I needed the 'desktop-live' distro because thats what I've learned to do.. So I downloaded that first, tried it and successfully installed it. But it was kinda hell to do so. Extremely complicated install. Once installed not everything was right. I have since figured out that I needed the 'netinst' instead. I would really like to try and get the 'Refracta' stuff to work and customize/make my own ISO that would be hardware independent. I have yet to give that a shot.
We have a walk-through of the desktop-live installer here that might be helpful.
Welcome aboard the Devuan train to freedom!
#2207 Re: News & Announcements » First Devuan Conference -- Amsterdam, 5th-7th April 2019 » 2019-01-21 17:45:26
Man... Wish I could go! Any thoughts or plans to have one on the other side of the world in the future?
Sure, if there are responsible people willing to organize and promote it. That takes a LOT of planning that has to be done on the ground wherever it would take place and $$$ to pay for venue etc. up front and be willing to take a possible loss.
#2208 Re: Off-topic » Systemd maintainer for Debian quits » 2019-01-19 20:02:16
We've been having some fun over here.
Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"
#2209 Re: Off-topic » How To Guide: Hardening Mozilla Firefox Quantum For Privacy & Security » 2019-01-15 21:32:12
Thanks for that. Will come in handy when I decide to make that leap.
#2210 Re: Other Issues » Update for libsystemd0 » 2019-01-15 17:46:54
we don't have systemd installed, but all these packages are hard coded to look for it anyway?
this doesn't seem like a good practice at all. !?!?!?
So far, that connection is "harmless" (according to those who know better than I). If that ever changes, we'll be scrambling. It's similar to libpulse0. Even though I don't have pulseaudio installed some apps still look for it so it needs to be there. Feel free to join the libsystemd0 decontamination team. 
#2211 Re: Other Issues » Update for libsystemd0 » 2019-01-15 16:11:55
The other option would be to remove the hook in all the packages that call it. Unless we have many more devs to remove these, we're going to have to live with it. We actually did a pretty good job in jessie but the list is growing with each new release.
#2212 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » connecting with wireless internet using dhcpcd and wpa_supplicant » 2019-01-15 00:39:18
Try KatolaZ' setnet. Looks like it's in ascii and experimental repos
#2213 Re: Other Issues » Update for libsystemd0 » 2019-01-14 18:10:17
You might want to look at this sticky thread.
#2214 Re: Installation » Problem booting encrypted LVM » 2019-01-13 16:06:14
The cli install follows the same process as the graphical installer. We'll be putting together a Visual Guide for that before too long. The important bit in the para that I quoted is that a swap partition cannot be encrypted. Hopefully fsmithred will be back soon. He could help you sort this in no time.
#2215 Re: News & Announcements » [package bump request] Youtube-dl » 2019-01-12 20:50:51
@golinux: No offense, but I'm not cool with your 'compile it yourself' advise every time someone asks for the inclusion of a new or updated package. Yes, I could compile stuff myself, but then I'd be installing s/w outside of the apt tool chain, so what's the use of that? Taking that a step further, if I install tools/apps outside of the package management tools provided by Debian/Devuan, what's the purpose of a package manager? Then I could just switch back to Funtoo, which is a source-based distro anyway
Fair enough . . . But please consider that Devuan's purpose is to provide an OS free of systemd. We do that. It is not "our" job to provide every package that a user may want. Why? This is a USER-supported effort. If you would like to see the youtube-dl package included in the Devuan repos, great! Please offer to build and maintain it for Devuan so ALL users can benefit. Just don't expect a non-essential package like that to be maintained by someone on the Devuan team. That's not our job. Being uncool with that is hardly a productive solution.
PS. Advice is a noun. Advise is a verb.
#2216 Re: Installation » Problem booting encrypted LVM » 2019-01-12 17:10:19
I have never done encryption but noticed this in the section on encryption in the Visual install guide for the desktop-live installer that I just put together with fsmithred. A careful reading might give you some clues.
3.2) Encryption: The installer can only encrypt root and home filesystems. A separate boot partition is optional and will be unencrypted if present. For full protection of your data you should not use a separate swap partition. If there is no swap partition, a swap file will be created on the root filesystem and that will be encrypted.
#2217 Re: News & Announcements » [package bump request] Youtube-dl » 2019-01-11 17:11:00
Thanks. Never heard of that one. I don't dl something often but use vlc when I do.
*edit* So I poked around a bit and found advice not to use sudo pip. I'm not saying it's not OK just providing info.
#2218 Re: News & Announcements » [package bump request] Youtube-dl » 2019-01-11 16:49:43
First, make sure a newer package isn't in backports etc. at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/
If not, submit a bug report at https://bugs.devuan.org/ and send the report via email
Or compile it yourself.
#2219 Re: Other Issues » Linux systemd Affected by Memory Corruption Vulnerabilities » 2019-01-11 06:54:55
I found the comments at https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/ … gs_qualys/ most entertaining
#2220 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-08 21:36:33
Let us know how it works out.
#2221 Re: Devuan » Devuan branding on https://git.devuan.org/ » 2019-01-08 18:21:01
BTW: is there a font in Devuan repositories that can be used for the Logo in text like prociono in Debian?
No. Those letters were created just for the "Devuan" logo.
@hellekin . . . The four inner planet, the D is the orbit of Ceres. The font is Fira Sans Thin with 15px rounded stroke. The E is based on a U.
#2222 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-08 16:49:38
Just want to make sure you understand that <release codename> will need to be replaced with jessie or ascii (without the < >).
When devuan was just starting, there was some testing of amprolla that merged the main repos with backports and I got a bit burned by that so I always comment backports even though I know it's OK to just use -t. Not a problem since I really don't need anything from there.
#2223 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-07 23:48:55
@thierrybo . . . He installed this package from the DEBIAN repo directly so will your solution still be valid?
#2224 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-07 21:55:31
1) no need to uninstall a package
I don't know if amprolla will recognize and update packages installed directly from Debian.
2) indeed, everything is on devuan.org but also in /etc/apt/sources.list
Then why would you use Debian repos when it says this in several places on the website:
Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc, should NOT be used directly.
3) since there is no security support for packages from backports, all I have to do is install the backported package, uncomment those lines, and update-upgrade my system as usual?
I'm pretty sure that the backports repo in ascii is pinned so you must use `-t ` to download and no need to comment. You'd have to ask on the debian forums whether you would have to comment those lines from their repo. Probably wouldn't hurt.
#2225 Re: Devuan » Devuan branding on https://git.devuan.org/ » 2019-01-07 21:35:15
How is this not branded?
Hmmmm . . . I see those links could use an update. Will get to that in a day or so . . .
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