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#2176 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta Isos » 2017-12-30 02:32:35

I tried to reproduce your errors, but I didn't run into any problems.

Installed refracta9_nox_amd64 in virtualbox.
Added xorg, openbox and a few other things.
Installed openrc and rebooted with the special command.
Got the ascii versions: 0.23-1+b1  (not a surprise - I only have ascii repos enabled.)

Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libcurses-perl libcurses-ui-perl libterm-readkey-perl
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libeinfo1 librc1
Suggested packages:
  policycoreutils
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  sysv-rc sysv-rc-conf
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libeinfo1 librc1 openrc
0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 174 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,394 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 

<snip>

 [ ok ]
**********************************************************************
*** WARNING: if you are replacing sysv-rc by OpenRC, then you must ***
*** reboot immediately using the following command:                ***
for file in /etc/rc0.d/K*; do s=`basename $(readlink "$file")` ; /etc/init.d/$s stop; done
**********************************************************************

And it reboots.

#2177 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE user upgrades to Devuan Jessie » 2017-12-28 02:45:02

thierrybo wrote:

Hi,

although for me it is safe to have libsystemd0 (but not systemd init), I did not understand how you can avoid installing it. It is a dependency of xserver-xorg-core, and unless you are running a server, any desktop environment or window manager will have  xserver-xorg-core package.

Easy. Install jessie. That dependency doesn't come up until ascii.

#2178 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta Isos » 2017-12-28 02:41:41

No, that does not look right. Some of the versions mention on needed packages could be satisfied by jessie versions, some by ascii versions. I don't know what's going on with your system, but I will point out that as time goes on, ascii/stretch and ceres/sid will grow farther apart. You're really mixing stable with unstable, not testing and stable.

#2179 Re: Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta Isos » 2017-12-27 19:35:16

gnupg is installed. I don't think I could have installed any packages from the main repo without it.

user@refracta:~$ whereis gpg
gpg: /usr/bin/gpg /usr/share/man/man1/gpg.1.gz

user@refracta:~$ gpg --list-keys
gpg: directory '/home/user/.gnupg' created
gpg: keybox '/home/user/.gnupg/pubring.kbx' created
gpg: /home/user/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created

user@refracta:~$ dpkg -l gnupg
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name                     Version           Architecture      Description
+++-========================-=================-=================-=====================================================
ii  gnupg                    2.1.18-8          amd64             GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement

What was missing that you had to pull from ceres? I've been using ascii, and it seems fine. There are a few more devuanized packages that need to get into the repo, but it's based on stretch, so just about everything should be working correctly.

#2180 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Remove xfce desktop » 2017-12-27 19:07:37

If task-mate-desktop is installed, it will probably keep you from losing all the stuff that comes with the task metapackage. Use the -s/--simulate option with apt-get to see ahead of time what it wants to remove. Note that apt-get will only mark packages for autoremoval, but it won't remove them. If you install any of those packages, they will be marked as manually installed, and they will be removed from the autoremove list. On the other hand,  aptitude will autoremove them when it removes the task package.

#2181 Devuan Derivatives » New Refracta Isos » 2017-12-26 18:28:53

fsmithred
Replies: 17

I've uploaded new refracta-9 no-X isos:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refrac … s/testing/

Based on Devuan-2.0 ASCII (pre-beta by probably a few days)

No-X does not mean minimal. It's crammed with a lot of extra utilities, as usual.

login:password    user:user    root:root

No refracta9 desktop isos yet. I might upload ones made from systems upgraded from jessie, but they are bigger than CD size. I haven't decided yet how to get them down to CD size. I'll take suggestions on what packages to leave out.

Update (2017-12-30): Newer installer fixes some bugs. Also includes partial German translation.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refrac … b/download

* select_grub_dev if grub-pc is copied to /target and installed. (Fixes no bootloader installed on bios system)
* Fixed disable autologin when sudo is default.
* Include preliminary (partial) German translation file. refractainstaller-base (9.3.2)

#2182 Re: Documentation » are the details of the Devuan (Debian?) installer public? » 2017-12-24 01:58:30

1. Install wicd-curses or wicd-cli or connman or setnet. (setnet is in the experimental repo)
2.

dpkg-reconfigure locales
dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

Install task-french. (and maybe task-french-desktop - check the dependencies)
3.

dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

#2183 Re: Installation » grub-PC and splash screen » 2017-12-24 01:39:31

Copy a jpg or png image file into /boot/grub/
Run 'update-grub'

You'll see the background image on the next boot.

#2184 Re: Installation » sans-dbus, Questions, Tips and Tricks on its Implementation » 2017-12-22 22:27:00

Pinning systemd-sysv to -1 is sufficient to prevent installation of systemd. In fact, you don't even need that. I just tried installing systemd after removing /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid-systemd and it's not possible.

root@ascii:/home/user# aptitude -s install systemd
No candidate version found for systemd   
Unable to apply some actions, aborting
root@ascii:/home/user# aptitude -s install systemd-sysv
No candidate version found for systemd-sysv
Unable to apply some actions, aborting

#2185 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Frequent indexing thrashes HDD » 2017-12-22 12:40:21

You could try editing /etc/xdg/tumbler/tumbler.rc to reduce the priority of the image thumbnailers. The range is -20 to 19. Try something like -17. (or +17 if I'm wrong about which way the scale goes.)

#2186 Re: Other Issues » Software packages aging issue » 2017-12-22 12:06:34

hd_scania wrote:

I have tried to upgrade to ASCII and PLENTIES of my detailed desktop features are hence lost, esp I should mostly need suspension, which I wanna take a rest for my machine but dnt wanna reboot, so I will remian Jessie and will try OpenRC in my Jessie system. smile

Any problems with ascii that we don't know about will not get fixed. Any problems caused by misconfiguration on your end won't get fixed until you seek help.

BTW, suspend works fine here. What destkop are you using?

#2187 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Screen goes mad - ascii » 2017-12-21 17:25:15

If I typed <ctl><alt><f1> it switches to tty1 with the login prompt, but after a few seconds a couple of system messages flash up, making it difficult to log in. Typing <ctl><alt><f1> again would get me to the login prompt, but it proved too hard for me to actually log in.

If you haven't typed anything yet, presssing ENTER will give you another login prompt. Then, do not look at the screen while you are typing. Just log in normally. (give it a couple seconds to prompt you for the password.)

Alternatively, you could turn off those messages by editing /etc/sysctl.conf:

# Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console
#kernel.printk = 3 4 1 3

#2188 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Frequent indexing thrashes HDD » 2017-12-21 01:19:45

Keep a terminal open with top running and look at it when the thrashing starts. Or click on the cpu activity monitor in the panel - it will open a terminal with top.

#2189 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Screen goes mad - ascii » 2017-12-20 17:57:23

You should put your own configs in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d so they won't be overwritten on upgrades. Quote from 'man xorg.conf' (I don't know why they list the dir twice. They do that in a few places.)

Finally,  configuration  files  will  also be searched for in directories reserved for system use. These are to
       separate configuration files from the vendor or 3rd party packages from those of local  administration.   These
       files are found in the following directories:

           /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
           /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d

#2190 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nvdia driver installation issues » 2017-12-20 12:29:01

I found this. It's from 2014, so it may no longer be accurate. Also, please run the grep command I posted above to see if you get the same output that I got.

https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topi … 0/#4385920

#2191 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nvdia driver installation issues » 2017-12-20 11:02:25

OK, then, that's a weird message to get.
4.9.0-4-amd64 is not a realtime kernel.
4.9.0-4-rt-amd64 is a realtime kernel.

grep PREEMPT /boot/config*

That gives me the same thing for 4.9 in ascii and for 3.16 in jessie:

CONFIG_PREEMPT_NOTIFIERS=y
# CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set
CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y
# CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set

I don't have a 4.9 kernel on the box with the nvidia graphics right now, so I can't test this.

#2192 Re: Other Issues » Becoming a Devuan Maintainer (cut) » 2017-12-19 15:52:06

I haven't heard much discussion of perl among the devuan devs. Maybe it just hasn't come up, or maybe we don't have any avid perl programmers. I think a lot of the package management stuff in debian (and consequently in devuan) is written in perl.

You can do a ./configure and make on a source package. Then run it from there. Don't do a 'make install' or you may screw up the system and confuse apt. Figure out what you need to do to get it to work. If you have to install other libraries, you should install them from the repo. After that, you can figure out how to get it into a debian package.  The basic steps for that are pretty simple. The devil is in the details. And looking at the current debian source to see how it was done should be helpful.

#2193 Re: Devuan » openssh issue on ascii » 2017-12-19 13:57:10

It should be safe to wait. I've been using the older version in ascii until a few minutes ago. I upgraded to the newer package (the one you can't get) and so far, it seems to be working. It can be installed without the recommended packages. I don't know if that breaks anything.

apt-get --no-install-recommends install openssh-server

If there are any problems using the newer version, it's possible to revert by installing the older .deb package in /var/cache/apt/archives

#2194 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nvdia driver installation issues » 2017-12-19 12:57:33

What kernel are you using? The message is clear. Either use a rt kernel or use nvidia driver, but you can't use both together. Which one is more important?

Edit: How are you installing the nvidia driver? Package from repo or binary from nvidia?

#2195 Re: Other Issues » Software packages aging issue » 2017-12-14 03:25:37

You could upgrade to ascii, which has the same packages as stretch. And you can install openrc:

$ apt-cache policy openrc
openrc:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.13.1-4
  Version table:
     0.27-3 0
        100 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/main amd64 Packages
     0.23-1+b1 0
        100 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages
     0.13.1-4 0
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages

#2196 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-13 19:16:10

Sorry, I was busy doing other things. No, I'm not offended easily, as golinux mentioned, and certainly not about which editor to use. .I knew you were kidding. However, if I ever announce that I'm going to run notepad in wine, you are welcome to come down on me hard.

If you can make a package that works, you could put it up anywhere and tell people about it. If you want to try to get it into the devuan repo, you should set it up on git.devuan.org and follow the d1h directions in the Documentation section of this forum. Other than that, you seem to know what to do. Mess with the package, test it, and then I'm not sure why you would revert your system if you just created a solution. For versioning, you should check the debian documentation on that. You could use the same version as the source you're using and add a +something like we do for the devuan packages. But really, check the docs. It can be a bit confusing. (is for me, anyway).

Mint/ubuntu seem to be slow at everything. Not just booting. Trying to run them in a VM can give me an anxiety attack from waiting for something to respond.

#2197 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-10 20:18:52

When you get to the part in the installer where it wants to install grub, everything should already be mounted. The efi partition should be mounted at /boot/efi, and /sys /proc /dev and /dev/pts should all be mounted to the corresponding point on /target. It sounds like grub found it anyway.

When you get to the grub boot menu, press "e" and add to the linux line: nomodeset
Then ctrl-x to boot.

#2198 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-10 13:38:41

And the install was slightly different form before (as /sys/firmware/efi existed), and at the end I did the dpkg -i grub*deb in the chroot.  grub complained about a missing BIOS boot block.

Yeah, that makes sense. You tried to install grub-pc in a uefi system. You only need to install the grub packages if the wrong grub is installed in the live system. In this case, grub-efi is installed, so you should boot in efi mode and let the installer handle to bootloader. You might not be able to use legacy bios with gpt partitions. And that uefi readme in the user's home is probably wrong and needs to be updated.

It might be better to use the cli installer, because that's a newer version, and I know it works well in a uefi install. Run 'refractainstaller' in a root terminal, or even better, (if you can stand to look at additional and distracting output on the screen) 'refractainstaller -d' to get a more verbose error log.  One drawback is that you'll have to type in /dev/nvme-whatever to tell it which partition to install.

#2199 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 22:11:48

Sounds like you're in legacy mode. If you boot in uefi mode, there should be a /sys/firmware/efi. Check your bios settings.

When you boot the refracta iso, do you get a grub boot menu or an isolinux boot menu? (with grub, 'e' will get you to edit the boot command, with isolinux, TAB will get you to edit the boot command.)

#2200 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 04:03:06

No emacs here. Just vi, which I do not like. I can tolerate vim, but plain old vi always screws me up. I inevitably hit an arrow key to move the cursor, and it spits out inappropriate characters. I would put vim on my isos, except for the fact that it takes up too much space, and I try to keep the isos down to CD size. But I'm perfectly happy with nano. If I forget how to use it, the instructions are right there in front of my face.

When you tried to boot after installing, did you get anything? A grub boot menu or even a grub prompt? If so, it should be possible to boot with the right commands.

Did you look at the efi partition to see if anything got copied there?
There should be /boot/efi/EFI/<devuan or refracta>/grubx64.efi

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