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#2101 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 15:01:59

KatolaZ wrote:

Hi All,

there is *no* automatic conversion to merged-usr during update or anywhere else in Devuan. The only way to force a transition to merged-usr at the moment is to install the package `usrmerge`, which is not installed by default. In beowulf there will be the option to have a merged-usr in expert install, but the default will remain a non-merged usr.

HTH

KatolaZ

Hmmmm . . . so where did I get that.    Is the merge automatic with an upgrade in Debian and we are reversing it in Devuan?  Or is my memory really starting to fail!

*edit* All that stuck in my feeble old memory were the endless threads that went on about this on DNG.

#2102 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 06:20:40

fsmithred wrote:

Upgrade to beowulf will not mess with /usr or /sbin. It won't change your directories.

I thought the merge was automatic. I do know that KatolaZ put that option into the installer specifically to give users a choice.  Do you have a reference for a mechanism that prevents the merge on an upgrade?

#2103 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 00:22:33

ChuangTzu wrote:

PS: ahem, Beowulf is very stable so far, still technically testing...but you may want to give that a whirl, save you a future dist-upgrade.

There are still some rough edges on beowulf but it's getting close.  For example, I'm not clear that's it's possible to avoid the /usr merge on an upgrade but it is an option on the beowulf test mini.iso.  If that's an important consideration, it will require a fresh install because I don't know that it's possible to unmerge.

#2104 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 00:16:58

Lysander wrote:
PedroReina wrote:
Lysander wrote:
/dev/mmcblk0p1   23G  4.3G   18G  20% /

Would it be reasonable to shave down the root partition to 10GB therefore giving me a much-appreciated larger /home partition?

Of course. In my experience I've never go to more than 10 GB. And 4.3 is very similar to my standard install of a full desktop.

Yes, OK, so that's going to be one of my many jobs tomorrow, to repartition this SD and give 10GB to /. I really can't imagine it needing more than that at this rate. Funny how an OS can run so fast off one of those things these days. Really indiscernable from an internal drive as far as my experience in the last 24 hours goes.

That depends on your usecase.  When I do extensive audio and video editing things get stored in /tmp which quick;y runs out of room so I've had to increase / to 20GB on several installs over the years.

Lysander wrote:

Well, seeing as this is the ASCII live .iso I think this is refracta. I'm quite familiar with the Debian installer, which is superior in my opinion. I think you thought I was talking about the Debian one, which I quite like.

The index page of devuan.org has a description of the various isos.  There is a truncated version of that on the download page as well as links to these Visual Install Guides:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … -here.html 

Navigation to the various install procedures is at the bottom.

#2105 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-16 22:55:53

PedroReina wrote:
Lysander wrote:

One criticism so far - the installer feels a bit clunky.

May be just a matter of taste. I think that it is powerful and simple. (I always use the "Expert install").

Lysander wrote:

felt rather experimental.

No, it is not experimental. It is old code by now. It get new options, but I've been using it (with Debian and Devuan) more than 10 years. 15? No glitchs. Some times hardware has errors and they get up to the installer.

He never said which iso he used so comments/discussion of an installer are pointless.  Was it the Debian installer or refractainstaller?  We have no way of knowing.

#2106 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-16 21:21:35

Great to see you here Lysander!  You didn't give us much info to go on.  Which iso did you use and for what release - jessie or ascii?  Are you using a WM or DE?  A search brings up quite a few threads about lid suspension but you might start with  this thread.

#2107 Re: Installation » Beowulf, where to download from » 2019-03-14 23:39:46

Job wrote:

No.  What makes you think that?

#2108 Re: Devuan » Burnt burnt burnt... » 2019-03-14 20:37:14

The no-dbus thing is still a DIY option not an official one.  If you're not running a DE it's pretty easy to do w/o dbus.  A full blown desktop, not so much.  There was recently some interesting dbus-related discussion on the DNG mail list.

Several years there was an attempt to get Kay Sievers' kdbus into the kernel.  Linus slapped it down.  Now that he's been neutered by the SJWers and GKH is in charge, I anticipate another attempt.  Here's some history:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments … _to_merge/

#2109 Re: Devuan » Burnt burnt burnt... » 2019-03-14 18:14:39

devuanuser wrote:

One question.

Is there a way to for example migrate a Debian Stretch system to Devuan.
All it should take as first step is to remove systemd and replace it with sysv-core, but I ask if such migration maybe exist as I have several servers I need to migrate. Clean new install is probably the best option, but I thought I ask anyway.

Welcome!  Unfortunately, your story is not unique.  The following guides should answer your questions:

https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/

and do read the release notes:
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt

Please post here if you run into difficulties.

#2110 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2019-03-13 23:38:20

I have not yet had to deal with that - still on Jessie.   On more recent FF versions where pulseaudio is a hard dependency,  libpulse0 won't save you. But do not despair.  apulse will get alsa back on FF.  There are instructions here and there on how to do this (too lazy to go do the legwork).

#2111 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problem with mounting partitions » 2019-03-13 17:33:57

ToxicExMachina wrote:
golinux wrote:

someone who just dropped in here a few days ago and is new to Devuan.

How's me being new at Devuan forums relates to actual matters of discussion?

If you have to ask that question, it's unlikely you'd understand the answer.

#2112 Re: Devuan » Someone had a how make devuan which specific packages? » 2019-03-13 16:44:29

KatolaZ wrote:

Hi,

Devuan has its own devuan-sdk:

  https://git.devuan.org/sdk

which is a tool to create different kinds of Devuan-based images. In your case, you can create a live image by using live-sdk. It comes with two pre-defined "blends" (desktop-live and minimal-live). It's an easy and extremely customisable way of getting your own live Devuan derivative.

HTH

KatolaZ

Indeed.   inukaze be careful who you take advice from.

#2113 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problem with mounting partitions » 2019-03-13 16:41:38

Panopticon wrote:

ToxicExMachina, why would you advise someone to follow an (in your words) incorrect method to mount a partition?

Indeed.  RIA77 . . . listen carefully to KatolaZ not someone who just dropped in here a few days ago and is new to Devuan.

#2114 Re: Devuan » A philosophical diatribe: How to avoid having users - and how not to » 2019-03-13 07:01:20

@ToxicExMachina . . . really . . . what is your problem.

#2115 Re: Installation » Beowulf, where to download from » 2019-03-13 02:53:29

Job wrote:

I am unable to locate a page to download beowulf from. 

I will appreciate a link if there is one.

Thanks

Beowulf has not been released yet so no official isos available.  There are some test images here:
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dis … nt/images/
and here:
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dis … s/netboot/

YMMV depending on your usecase.

I installed some months ago using the mini.iso

#2116 Re: Devuan » A philosophical diatribe: How to avoid having users - and how not to » 2019-03-12 22:10:33

We did not "lash out".   As a result of his comments, we improved how Devuan is presented on the website.   He was invited to contribute but disappeared when he couldn't bully us into his (misinformed) vision of what we should be doing.  Celebrity doesn't count for much here especially when it's saddled with an attitude.

#2117 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Dog Linux releases Devuan based alpha » 2019-03-07 00:01:24

Hmmmm . . . that's odd.  Also the Debian branding on ASCII.  A bit stomach turning . . .

#2118 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Dog Linux releases Devuan based alpha » 2019-03-06 16:46:04

Nice find!  Interesting that dzz had a hand in it.

#2119 Re: Devuan Derivatives » ThomOS - the new outrageous devuan-based switchblade OS » 2019-03-06 02:00:16

fsmithred wrote:

Suggested listing:
  ThomOS (formerly Crunkbong)

That's what I was thinking.  Let's see what siva says.

#2120 Re: Off-topic » DSA-4371-1 apt -- security update » 2019-03-06 00:32:06

More devs on deck to build them would be great too.  wink

#2121 Re: Off-topic » The End of Trust » 2019-03-05 19:12:13

jonaspm wrote:

Two red flags . . . more java script licenses than I can count on my 10 fingers and a rather strange ToS. Plus emojis . . . really?  We want to minimize the web interface not expand it.

#2122 Re: Devuan Derivatives » ThomOS - the new outrageous devuan-based switchblade OS » 2019-03-05 16:35:36

I'm wondering how to deal with the name change on the derivative lists.  Maybe just leave crunkbong for now and add "crunkbong is now thomOS" and change the link?  Thoughts?.

#2123 Re: Off-topic » The End of Trust » 2019-03-05 16:29:34

@siva . . . Hello stranger!  Nice to see you.  We're looking at Gitea.  It will hopefully be up for testing soon but then require extensive testing before the final decision is made.

#2124 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan on SSD » 2019-03-03 18:42:06

Yes, a big thank you to KatolaZ and rolfie for sharing their research and experience.  I am rather hardware-challenged.  Farm out all but the simplest tasks like changing a HD or PCI card.   Still mostly on 1 TB WD black spinning drives that go on like the energizer bunny.  I'll stay on them as long as they are in good health.  I'll cross the SSD bridge when the time comes . . . possibly not this lifetime.  LOL!

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