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#2051 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Thank you to whoever got Gnome desktop running » 2019-05-01 14:23:57
Comment from helios21 who is "not that much of a forum guy":
Yes, I bet it is due to elogind packaging.
GNOME depends on systemd-logind, which elogind-compat provides.
Debian developers work to convince packagers of packages which depend on
systemd-logind to change the dependencies in a way that makes elogind-
compat superfluous. AFAIR it was by having elogind and systemd-logind
both provide logind. And then have either a default-logind packages
which recommends systemd-logind on Debian, elogind on Devuan or so this
with a direct dependency aka "systemd-logind | elogind" on Debian and
vice versa an Devuan. But AFAIR there was talk about some "default-
logind" package.
#2052 Re: Installation » The most secure hardened kernel » 2019-05-01 06:58:01
golinux wrote:Don't you need a valid PW to change the PW? Or does this forum have an "I forgot my PW" option? (Too lazy to log out to see if it's there.)
Joke? Is password reset used to find a recipient in recent Echelon data to avoid mining deeper into older layers?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
#2053 Re: Installation » The most secure hardened kernel » 2019-05-01 04:40:02
Don't you need a valid PW to change the PW? Or does this forum have an "I forgot my PW" option? (Too lazy to log out to see if it's there.)
#2054 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Weird message while updating the system » 2019-04-30 04:09:46
Try a different mirror or pkgmaster.devuan.org
#2055 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Thank you to whoever got Gnome desktop running » 2019-04-29 17:22:09
Gnome desktop is fully functional? No one here is actively working on Gnome things. Might be a side effect of the recent work on elogind from the Debian-Devuan init-diversity collaborators. As a result of that Plasma is now working on Debian Sid without systemd.
#2056 Re: Devuan » Meet cinnabar (Beowulf default theme) » 2019-04-28 16:26:28
Can this be put together in an installable Devuan package please? I tried to figure out where to put the files from the zips, but the detail given in this thread is insufficient for me and my experience.
It will be eventually. Problem is that I play with the crayons but am clueless about packaging. I passed it on to someone maybe 2 months ago to do that but it fell into a big black hole. I could help you find where to put things if you ping me on irc freenode sometime.
BTW: after the latest Beowulf update mit lightdm login splash screen is displaying Debian 10! Would like to get rid of this.
Here you go: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/cinnabar_lightDM.zip
#2057 Re: Installation » [Solved] apt sources list retrieve? » 2019-04-28 00:25:42
# nano /etc/apt/sources.listOr your text editor of choice. You can also edit with synaptic.
#2058 Re: Other Issues » openjdk-8 on Jessie » 2019-04-27 01:14:26
Looks like that package is in ascii:
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pk … elease=any
You would need to backport it to use in jessie (and I have no idea how to do that). Or you could always upgrade to ascii.
Note that it is "not-a-good-idea" (tm) to use packages directly from the debian repos. If a package is available, amprolla will serve the debian version to devuan via redirect.
#2059 Re: Installation » Devuan Package Ratio » 2019-04-22 16:43:34
Having done a simple test on migration from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii on a virtual machine, I am planning for changing over two "production" desktop computers. Just as a matter of interest, since the migration process was straightforward, it would be useful to know what fraction of Debian packages are affected by the elimination of systemd.
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt
My test was on a "bare bones" system with 438 packages, and only 23 packages listed by dpkg -l show with a Devuan identifier. Is the ratio going to be the same on machines running a more comprehensive selection of software?
This may partially answer your question: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages
#2060 Re: Other Issues » Is the debian/devuan merge working right? » 2019-04-20 18:52:42
grep -v '^#\|^$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}That line is chicken scratches to me but that comma in {,.d/*} looks out of place so wondering if it is a typo.
#2061 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to install Devuan Ceres without starting from ASCII? » 2019-04-12 19:45:34
From Distrowatch it appears that Buster/testing has a 4.9.82 kernel, which is not recent enough for a Ryzen 7 2700U. Am I wrong?
Reference: http://distrowatch.org/table.php?distribution=devuan
Use backports. Search for packages here. Also consider hanging out on irc freenode #devuan. We just discussed the kernel thing over there.
#2062 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to install Devuan Ceres without starting from ASCII? » 2019-04-12 19:43:18
@golinux: Thank you for the link. Just wondering why it is not advertised on the website.
Because it is a testing iso not a stable release for general use.
- What do you mean with "It is advised to never use the Debian repos directly. Could cause much grief at some point."?
Should I not use their ISOs?
All Debian packages are supplied by redirects through amprolla3 directly from the Debian repos. Anything that could break Devuan is filtered and blacklisted.
- Should I install mini.iso on a USB stick and boot from there?
Sure! If you're installing an Xfce DE you can get the beowulf theme pieces here and install them manually.
#2063 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-04-12 18:27:03
Welcome StevenB!
#2064 Re: Installation » Migration problem: network » 2019-04-12 18:25:54
golinux wrote:crankypuss wrote:I've forgotten, was it stretch that introduced systemd? I've been falling back to jessie for years.
The first bits of systemd appeared in Wheezy.
LOL, wheezy is one of the versions i just deleted as a waste of space. I'm running Devuan ascii, with backups on Debian jessie and Ubuntu oneiric, none of them have systemd as i'm reading it. Ug like.
IIRC the bit was libsystemd0 not the full init.
#2065 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to install Devuan Ceres without starting from ASCII? » 2019-04-12 18:18:28
#2066 Re: Installation » Migration problem: network » 2019-04-12 17:58:22
I've forgotten, was it stretch that introduced systemd? I've been falling back to jessie for years.
The first bits of systemd appeared in Wheezy.
#2067 Re: Devuan » comments about Devuan ascii » 2019-04-11 15:16:37
Not a problem, the only place the mouse was visible is an icon that's now something else.
With desktop-base, the Devuan "swoosh" icon should have replaced the mouse. Hmmmm . . . have to check on that.
#2068 Re: Devuan » comments about Devuan ascii » 2019-04-11 00:35:08
@crankypuss . . . If you install desktop-base you will get the complete darkpurpy theme from grub to slim to the desktop including custom colored directory icons. If you don't do that, you get the rodent. The parts of the beowulf theme are available from a thread on this forum but they are not yet integrated into the beowulf desktop-base.
#2069 Re: News & Announcements » Dev1conference live streaming » 2019-04-10 02:33:14
golinux, make sure you rest as well. That was a big trip and a full weekend!
Added to Announcements: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2782
I'm in Boston with Greg atm but headed back to the airport in a few hours. I'm so delighted to to able to catch up, I may just stay up all night (flight leaves at 5:45 am). Saw your post and have stickied it. Thanks for doing that.
#2070 Re: News & Announcements » First Devuan Conference -- Amsterdam, 5th-7th April 2019 (Video) » 2019-04-10 02:29:33
Thanks for doing this. Eventually all those segments will be edited and posted individually so stay tuned.
#2071 Re: Devuan » Meet cinnabar (Beowulf default theme) » 2019-04-10 02:27:03
I like the Beowulf theme. Looks good enough for daily use to me
Thanks. 
#2072 Re: Installation » Devuan icon » 2019-04-08 09:57:43
The masters are here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art
#2073 Re: News & Announcements » Dev1conference live streaming » 2019-04-08 09:16:35
golinux I added it Katolaz' original announcement thread. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15397#p15397
Or do you want it to be its own sticky/thread?
PS: working on day 2 now.
I think it should be its own sticky but you can also leave in the other threads. Unfortunately I may not be back online to sticky it for a day or so - I do not own a mobile device so can only work through the dyne HQ which limits my online time and will be in the airport much of the next days.
#2074 Re: Devuan » What happened at devuan.org? » 2019-04-07 10:32:06
golinux wrote:HOAS you are the odd man out here.
That's the way I like it, baby.
You may find yourself sitting in a corner . . .
#2075 Re: News & Announcements » Dev1conference live streaming » 2019-04-07 10:30:49
I had some time on my hands tonight:
Devuan 1st Conference 2019, Day one, planet Earth, Amsterdam:
Katolaz: The Quests for Minimalism
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=1881Laurent Bercot: Demystifying Init
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=7622Jaromil and parazyd: Git, Devuan SDK, package builds, Building Devuan
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=17054
https://devuan.org/os/distro-kitfsmithred: How to make your own Linux distribution (could also be a demonstration that abiword actually works)
https://youtu.be/I7qE43KK5bY?t=22497Oh and Miyo in the live chat.....
golinux, we could make this a sticky somewhere, or make it "prettier" for the website....
Thank you for doing this ChuangTzu. Everything will be posted to the website once it is edited. If you have the time, please post this list in the announcements section and I can sticky it next time I'm here. I made one small correction to the list. KatolaZ' talk is "The Quests for Minimalism" - plural - because there are many ways to get there.
The atmosphere here is amazing. I think that the brainpower collected in that room could light the city of Amsterdam!
Edit: I see that Fredd has the title singular on the video. Will ask him to change that.
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