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#176 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-09 22:04:44

GoLi  Would you agree that if you spend too long fighting evil, you choose to fight it, you eventually turn to just as evil?  It has a definite impact for sure and it is hard to resist all the influence.  It is hard to stand a few feet back and look at what you have turned into.  But sometimes it is worth the sacrifice.  Definitely some of those obvious, maybe to you, things have lost their way into later generations.  One of my favorite poets ends her poem saying that the final goal is to remain human.

Sgage:  There is a good farm up there called DAAcres https://youtu.be/y8sm1uDPWj8
I wish I could be there.
It takes being hurt, cold, hungry, and thirsty to realize what you really need and what you don't.  Once we whores get this, then we want stuff.  Dignity is all forgotten.  I think it is the only ticket out of this mess, the pursuit of dignity.  To get to the point where you can cash in and deny it.

#177 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-09 20:10:58

We are social beings, we need a small community to survive.  But depends how you really ask this question.  I couldn't really care less if most perceive what I do and how I do it as wrong.

Do you care if neighbors inquire at your smelly yard due to your composting, which I am willing to bet you do?   smile

Do you care getting dirty looks for picking up leave and weed cutting bags from the garbage area taking it back home?

How about undressing outside so you don't drag all the tear gas contaminated clothing back in the house?

But going back to your initial question, what happens to me is unimportant.  I can only see important what society perceives as important, whether bad or good by my judgement.  If you were out defending whales, would that be about you, or about what you believe as a necessity for whales to survive the human slaughtering.  You can choose to keep on sailing or you can fire that torpedo you are carrying around to that Japanese ship.

#178 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-09 19:10:06

It is a bit out of my water and knowledge base.  Some people swear by the importance of open source.
I sit down and write some clean good code and you review it and say it is great.  Then you run it through a compiler and produce a nice speedy binary package.  How safe is this binary.  How reliable are available compilers.  Can we know?

If after all this trouble, struggle, to learn and operate a linux system, we end up just like running w10 (in terms of privacy and security) I would rather shoot my better leg.  The more I learn the less likely it seems that the trip is worth it.  I may sound just like one of those systemd trolls, that win10 is not that bad after all, but I can't help it.
A while ago, maybe 2 years, when I was reading intel processor specs, and its pre-engineered capabilities, I almost
flipped.  It holds special cells for DNA and Iris identification and fingerprinting capability?  Is this like a reverse backdoor, that after your google cookies, your facebook pic, and your MSN messg. a reliable ID is made, the DNA/Iris information from some medical database, maybe your dental x-ray too, can be stored back into the hw you are using?
Did you say matrix?
I wonder if my ct scan reads a tumor is google informed before my physician?

What does wikipedia say about the ludites?

3-4 years ago, when things were getting exciting in this demised nation I unfortunately ended up living, all cell phones, including cash and talk sims we used to get from the street for free, had to be registered in person and a copy of the ID had to be issued.  The influx of desperate refugees and transient residents made it possible to make a trade of selling free unused and unopened cards registered at someone's name for 3-5euro$.
Based on a crosstabulation of who you mostly call and who calls you the most, after a little while and based on previous records a very accurate ID can be produced.  Simple statistics on a huge database.  Who is the common link between 10 people? 
Now, in the same poor excuse of a state, they are making it necessary to get a permanent ID for mass transit by in-person registration that has to be used as a sliding a card in every bus and metro/rail thing you enter, even if the charge is a single trip.  This is like having an antenna on your butt what time you went where.  At some point you start doubting whether it was you deciding to go somewhere and do something or you are part of a remote control system executing orders.

Do we really have a choice not to participate in all this while living in an urban environment?

I say it is so hard and you end up being so antisocial and isolated that it still does not matter if you could.  You then have to prove you exist.

What? no cell phone, no facebook, no bus, just feet and bicycle, get away from me you pervert!

#179 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-09 18:09:34

@miyo Wikipedia in most counts, except for some political/philosophical/historical biases, seems as good as an encyclopedia can be.  It is also pretty democratic in the sense that if you have reasonable evidence to contest an article it gets revised or inclusive of the "other" view.  Try doing this with Britanica or something similar.

Then it all fits in a little disk, English still being twice as big as the second language which I think it was Spanish.
So at a cost of a cheap pc and a couple of 1TB disks you could have the whole thing available in some community that has no electricity, let alone internet.  I think it is one of the first things I would miss when the internet goes off (!!)

I am gearing into investing in backing up wikipedia locally.  There is plenty of good scientific (true scientific no technology selling) information for making food, remedies, building homes, cleaning water, producing energy,
alternative ways to deal with human and other waste, ...  identifying things in nature in all parts of the world.
I see it as a good tool to keep around.  If I could hit a button and get rid of all the sports and show businesss crap
it would even be better.

#180 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-11-09 16:10:04

It was a while ago, early stages of stretch being testing, that I tried.  The workaround was possible but not permanent but very complicated.  It wasn't firmware itself that was missing or the kernel alone but some other systemic change of hardening what the kernel could reach and communicate to X.  Even the Jessie 3.** kernel wouldn't start X once the system was upgraded to stretch.  So this is permanently staying at devuan jessie now.

#181 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-09 14:57:52

cynwulf wrote:

But over thousands of years capitalism has followed similar patterns:

Capitalism, by very wide agreement, begins with mass production with mechanical means.  The place is Netherlands and England in the early stages and in textiles.  This is why cotton production in the colonies became of prime importance.  The only way to capitalize is to massively buy and resell labor.  Nobody debates on that one.  Previously wealth was created only by raiding neighboring communities by armies (feudalism).
And so has the development of the modern state and its domination over specific borders taking place around the same time.  A couple centuries later this development leads to a 'class revolution" in the US and later in France against the nobles, so the capitalists can be free and can rule without taxation.  The non-effectively revolting states quickly reform to prevent such revolution and resemble those capitalist states.  So a century later there is not much difference between France, UK, or US.  In the UK and colonies a pact is made by the capitalist class and the nobles to keep the later around as ornaments.
Nowhere in political theory does anyone claim that capitalism existed anywhere else or at any time before.  Trading is not capitalism.  Trading alone was never too benefitial under the rule of nobles and their armies.

3) There cannot, by design, be prosperity for all, or even the majority.

What design, whose design, what prosperity?  In Chiapas whaever prosperity they enjoy is in very equal terms within the organized communities.  The rest live out of drug-running, prostitution, or as slaves to landowners.  In the zapatista communities you can say there is equality by design, that is what the decided to do and that is how they live.  Capitalism never had a design or a theory, till neoliberalism was formulated, but exists due to massive societies being socially unorganized.  This is why communities declined and later family structures.  Unorganized individuals are helpless and dependent on economic blackmail.

My point is that it can never evolve into a fairer, juster society, free of poverty and corruption - only the reverse until it's final implosion.

There are 2 scenarios, at its extreme evolution, the final stage of neoliberalism, as it will be unable to return to state controlled national capitalism, this globalized hydra will be overthrown in a sequence of uprisings, but capitalism seems to be able to adopt quickly to prevent total loss.  The other scenario is that its accelerating destruction of the environment that seems now unstoppable will create a living crisis for all species on earth.  There may be so few left living that it would be impossible to recreate capitalism.  Most predictions are that when the decline in living things reaches a certain point there is no return.  Surely with 90% of the human population sick and starving nothing good can come out then, except for canibalism.    Mining, single-crop agriculture, and energy transformation has already reached a point of no return.  It may very well be already too late to save life for the next century.  Even we, older people, we should expect epidemic crises of new forms to erupt at even the most affluent corners of the planet within our life time.   The kids being born today are doomed to live through this hell.

You can only destroy the monster, you can never reform it.  Every head you chop more come out.

Other systems were tried and failed, ....

I hope you don't mean state capitalism as "other systems", but I only know of that one.  Economic systems by definition are "systems" designed and run from top down.  Those have all failed humanity miserably.  They are all variations of the same industrial model.  Social organization systems that spring from the bottom seem to be doing very well, socially, politically, and economically.  It would be illogical to blame yourself for shortcomings resulting from decisions  you made (nu active participation).  So that creates an endless political stability.  It turns out that in such communities true environmental protection is of primary importance as it this environment that ensures food for tomorrow and nobody else.  Humans being sustainably part of their community's environment, as one specie among the many, in harmony.   

But if we are willing to trade destruction of "others' environment"  so we can have the luxury of buying two smart phones a year and a new vehicle every two years, which run out of green fuel (chopped rainforests), and keep piling with toxic minerals landfills everywhere, then there shall not be any hope for all of humanity or any other living thing on the surface.  Deep ocean life seems to be resilient to extinction events.

Is the goal for all of us to get rich or is it to be able to survive for generations to come with a higher degree of dignity?  Because the middle class in industrialized ( or previously industrialized) societies are the worse kind of whores that the system needs to survive on.  Happy whores, but whores (in a non-sexist meaning).  We are becoming more conscious that it takes a lot of killing and destruction to have certain industrial goods, and that is ok, it is not our fault but the "design of the system".   We are being good little Germans feeding the oven with the bodies of others.  We are just doing our job.

So then it all boils down to a moral issue.  Is selling your ass while justifying genocide worth the pretty dress you are wearing?  Once the population is massively demoralized to the point of resembling Rome of 1st-2nd century you can count the hours of the civilization's demise.  Only this time around there is no "other place" civilization will be reborn at, because this one is all around the earth.  This may very well be the last civilization, and we are living its last moments.  Rich or poor the fate is the same.

It is a global hydra that has been genetically modified to destroy all life on earth.  It is a man made abrupt extinction event.  The previous 4 were naturally caused, this one is clearly the product of a parasite numbering 7,5bil at the moment.  I am not refuting the class issue, it is as much of an issue now as it was in the 1880s (Chicago May-day, Paris commune, etc).  It is not as urgent as fighting for the survival of species though.  Not any more as the clock is ticking.

Note:  A parasite is a life form that is disrupting the balance and harmony of the eco-system so that ecosystem is no longer sustainable.  It is a dying ecosystem because of the parasite.  The question is whether the parasite is consciously suicidal or not.  Because even bacteria learn to stop killing their host as fast and alter their activity to keep the host alive the longest.  But bacteria are smart, we are talking about humans.

#182 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-09 13:00:11

#24  I did and read the stuff that came on the list as well.  Horrific but expected, and that is half the story we do know.

Or should I trade expected for suspected?

If we were to screen all the technical confusing details, the intention is clear and is of importance, and the newer the hw the more potent the new threats.  People tend to believe that after uncovering one back door we are now safe and with a clear horizon.  The US DoD out of buying power and as a total entity of gov.market it can enforce whatever to anyone selling mass produced products.  From rope to aircraft telecoms.
It would be silly for one to think they can buy an F16 and use it to attack US interests.

#183 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-11-09 06:53:17

MiyoLinux wrote:
fungus wrote:

I'm going to work on my celeron-xtra now with 256k-Ram

Wow! Give us a screenshot when you're finished! smile

I was afraid this was going to happen but as Debian dropped support for some firmware, of my very unique gfx, between Jessie and Ascii, the installation fails when X is started.  So it is not miyo or devuan, it was a debian decision.  This is on an old Asus board with celeron on it, among the last generation of the 32bit systems, but the internal gfx seemed to be very rare.  It was one of those that had the capability of higher RAM handling (PAE... I forget).  With systems of a decade later being sold with a year warranty for $50 I doubt this would be much of a concern to anyone.
Unfortunately there are places in the world, quite a few, that such a machine would provide years of training and education to kids learning linux.  But western devs couldn't care less.

But, we can still test 32bit systems on our luxurious $50 machines smile

#184 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] MiyoQt releases » 2017-11-09 06:16:31

You are saying because the new repositories now are working the original ones are very slow?

If you haven't updated your installation for a while, make sure you update your keyring BEFORE you switch repositories.  Of course if we are talking about miyo-lxqt there is no problem, it was already recent.

#185 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-08 20:20:59

@cynwulf Ok, we will not talk about c....  I'll just call it hydra.
3  You disagree.  I don't see how, nor did I mention hierarchy anywhere.  But then hierarchy can also be reversed and hierarchy on itself does not necessarily constitute authority.  Meaning that hierarchy can start from below and end to the top.
4  Yes, if the means utilized don't seem to be any longer effective we must seek new means.  The hydra has evolved, transformed, cloned, to be "mass protest" resistant.  In the 1880s those same means seem to have gained the industrialized world at least a cushion of relief that lasted 100 years.  Since the virus developed resistance to the antibiotic and pesticide, a new vaccine is needed.

@golinux I hate to have to come to a point to agree with you.  Maybe intuitively this is why we have confronted each other so much.  I think the clock for ecological disaster and the 5th great extinction of surface life is accelerating beyond our wildest nightmare.  Hence my interest in the foundation of all life, fungi.
Also, no matter what the individual can ever do, it will still be socially insignificant.  What little thing society will do will always reflect on the individual, as there is no such thing as an individual outside of society.  Not for humans anyway, nor for wolves either.  Pumas may be different, I don't know any of them.  Does it make any difference if there was a person living in the forest alone and absolutely free?  Like the tree falling not making noise and nobody to hear it fall.

5  As long as the zapatista communities meet and decide on their lives and their course of action nobody can dare call it utopia or idealism.  Libertarian communalism is already a 23+ year old reality, but the revolution is still in infancy.

I suspect they don't use systemd in those communities, just a hunch.

#186 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-08 11:35:23

So, if things are as "you" say, one can easily deduce:

1  Things in capitalism can't be different or change to anything better
2  Those critical of the system, but naive enough, to believe it is the law (the state) that protects their liberty and their freedom, should wake up and realize that it is the same that is the primary violator of both privacy and freedom.
3  Raising individual awareness about all this does nothing more than expanding (slightly) the community perceived as schizophrenics to the vast majority.  Only organizing and collectively acting will ever be effective in confronting the "borg".
True schizophrenics are not good in associating and collectively acting.
4  This reality has to expand past the realm of system management and pc use.  It has become as fundamental stepping stone to doing anything else as union organizing was in late 19th century.  Activists today create facebook pages and googlegroups, use android aps,  to protest social issues, environmental destruction, refugee exploitation, ..... and then someone breaks into their house and cracks their knees as well.  But such acts of violence are very widespread and common these days.  Fracking, mining, and the pipeline must continue at all costs.

Then we return at the joke poster of the OP

#187 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-08 01:21:07

They're to ensure that fringe political movements never get off the ground and that the status quo is maintained.

And this is not UK specific, but globally true!

On those soho boxes, I don't think they actually retrieve them anywhere, recycling them costs more than making them, it is the actual legal status of the ownership that is of their concern.  The suspicion again is not so much in what is communicated but who it is that is communicating.  You can see light in the fog but a radio beacon is sending a signal telling you who it is sending the light.  Freedom of speech when your individual identity must be clarified before you speak is not much of an individual freedom, except for the very naive.

If there was a chance that gnu-net would work we wouldn't worry too much about it, but I don't think there is much more time left to develop it enough.  We may have enjoyed a brief period, a window of opportunity, to understand the potential of the internet, but by the time we did it was taken away again.  Most people don't email each other any longer, they "im" in social media.  If you are not "in" social media you don't actually exist, let alone have a voice.

How does a woman flipping off the president on the street with a bicycle get fired the next day?
Are there more people in the US being affected by a gag-order or journalists in prison in Turkey?

#188 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-07 10:33:58

What you say about the amp in the middle does make sense and I didn't think about it.  I had even thought that it may be possible that a vibration on the box will fluctuate the contact/resistance of different connections on the machine and that can affect what the tuner-software interprets as an analog input.  This could somehow explain why with the mic jack pulled and no other audio-input device the system registers vibration on the box.

All this is run with dirty a/c converted loosely into d/c circuitry.

The other paranoia I have is based on the technology used to utilize the main/ac circuit in a building as a network cable to extend your physical lan from a router.  What-If, the intels and amds of the world, have utilized this technology and have extended this capability through the power supply.  Then your lan goes at least out to the electric pole. Possible?  Probable?
Running an inverter from a battery that is charged by internal means (generator/solar panel) or simply a laptop off the charger, defeats this.

And then you get on line. 
What about the cheap generic boxes (usually wifi capable) ISPs supply their customers.  Could they have audio/visual capabilities?  They never sell those, they lend them to you.  Legally they are not owned by the customer to dissect and investigate.  Why not sell them, even for $0.01?

I read from reliable sources that Motorola engineers have whispered that the devices that android runs on are 100% bugged.  It doesn't matter what you may run on them. 

I think Orwell was wrong, about the date he used.

Gene Hackman's Enemy of the State was good food for thought.  He says somewhere on the movie of how much work was it to bug something with wires, while now they can pick-up every conversation from the air.

They, them,...  and us.
On the other hand the psychopathology and insecurity of "them" is what dumps millions in funding hi-tech information collection.  The hypothesis is that controlling information is equivalent of social control.  I believe only manpower on the ground, organized and armed, is the ultimate social control.

Cheers

#189 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-07 09:57:01

For the lack of a like button LIKE

#190 Re: Off-topic » lol! » 2017-11-06 20:50:41

I think this off topic is the right place and with the right kind of intention for serious discussion to bring up this concern of mine.  Stop laughing, I can hear you from that flip-top phone you have next to you, even when it is off-line.

Every pc I know, desktop, has a piezo beeper/speaker of some kind.  What if some kind of rogue code withing the "good" code is reversing its function from output to input.  It may not be able to record hi-fi live music but after some cleaning of the waves a human voice can be decoded to analog speech.

Need I say more?

I once had a music instrument pkg installed that could be tuned to record all kinds of frequencies and noticed that after unplugging the mic (the only sound input) it still recorded some sound.   The weird part, past electronic noise, was physical knocking on the side panels of the tower send the db meter sky high.  No audio input device was registered in lshw or anywhere else.

How is this for a consp.theory?

#191 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] MiyoQt releases » 2017-11-06 13:56:29

https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/153/

If this does not work, there is also /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf

To be able to alternate between keyboard mappings/languages (example us,fr,es) with right alt + right shift the file should read as follows:

Section "InputClass"
    Identifier "system-keyboard"
    MatchIsKeyboard "on"
    Option "XkbLayout" "us,fr,es"
    Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
    Option "XkbOptions" "grp:ralt_rshift_toggle"
EndSection

#192 Re: Forum Feedback » [Discussed] Direct Search - site feature » 2017-11-06 06:34:39

This forum looks like a fork of the SMF forum which always had a search window on the top-right
Maybe it is a plugin that can be enabled?
Here is a pic of the current SMF http://libs.websoft9.com/Websoft9/DocsP … /smf06.png

#195 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] MiyoQt releases » 2017-11-05 16:00:14

MiyoLinux wrote:

Had to log out to get back to my US layout

σετχκβμαπ -θσ

is not a linux recognizable command

I know exactly what you mean smile

#196 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] MiyoQt releases » 2017-11-05 15:56:40

If I could get l-alt l-shft to switch between them as I have been used to doing for years and years, it would be splendid.

#197 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] MiyoQt releases » 2017-11-05 11:04:44

$ setxkbmap -print -verbose 10

Try this command and see if it gives you any hints.
The command above (loadkeys) does not work unless you manually set up some keymap files, I think.

#199 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] MiyoQt releases » 2017-11-05 02:35:01

I am wondering whether in lxqt you are running into the same problems as in openbox with lxde.
The way to utilize the lxsession-logout in openbox is if lxpolkit is running.  I wonder if it is similar in lxqt's openbox.
I still haven't found a light solution for switchin keyboards (language) in openbox, without the function being part of a task/bar or panel.

Unless lxqt's logout is not working in lxqt session and I misinterpret it at all.  In this case lxsession-logout may be working on lxqt as well.

PS (edit)  If we had OpenRC working it would be easier I think smile

#200 Re: Intergalactic Communities » Devuan in στα Ελληνικά, κανείς; » 2017-11-05 02:23:38

Μετά από τόσο καιρό είμαστε δύο smile
Εδώ δεν έχουν καλά καλά φτιάξει γούϊκι στα Αγγλικά θα το φτιάξουμε στα Ελληνικά;
Ξεκίνησα ένα μπλογκ το ΗΕλλινυξ.γουορντπρεςς.κομ (δεν το γράφω εδώ λατινικά για ευνόητους λόγους) αμ θες ρίξε μια ματιά, για να προωθήσω ετούτο και το Άρτιξ στα Ελληνικά.  Αν σε ενδιαφέρει αναλαμβάνεις ετούτο κι εγώ το άλλο γιατί δεν τα προφταίνω.
Αν θες φτιάχνουμε κάτι άλλο.
Μέσα από τις λίστες και τα φόρουμ παρουσιάζονται συνεχώς ενδιαφέροντα τεχνικά θέματα που μπορούν να βοηθήσουν χρήστες που δεν τα καταφέρνουν στα Ελληνικά να δοκιμάσουν και να διατηρούν το σύστημα, γνωρίζοντας ότι υπάρχει βοήθεια για το συγκεκριμένο, όχι γενικά λίνουξ.  Κάνουμε μια περίληψη των όσων λέγονται με ευρύτερη συμφωνία, μικρο-μετάφραση, και έτσι υπάρχει ένα σημείο αναφοράς αν χρειαστεί περισσότερο βοήθεια να την ζητήσει.

Αυτή είναι η δική μου πρόταση.

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