Hello:

Could you post your surces list?

~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list

I run on an updated Devuan ascii 2.0

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 4.9.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.228-1 (2020-07-05) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

# apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install -f
Hit:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease
Hit:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease
Hit:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://deb.devuan.org/devuan ascii-proposed InRelease
Hit:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
# 

Here's my sources.list, please disregard the comments:

~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main 
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main 
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main 

# needed x virtualbox backport - enable to update package
deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/ ascii-proposed main contrib non-free 
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-backports non-free contrib main 

# needed x nvidia non-free drivers installation
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii contrib 
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii non-free 

# virtual box repository 
# deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ stretch non-free contrib  

With those sources, if I try to install vlc, I get this:

# apt-get install vlc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
vlc is already the newest version (3.0.11-0+deb9u1).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
# 

Same with the plugin:

# apt-get install vlc-plugin-video-output
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
vlc-plugin-video-output is already the newest version (3.0.11-0+deb9u1).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
# 

Check your sources.list, maybe there's something there that should not be or maybe there's something missing.

Cheers,

A.

Hello:

Is there a *.deb package available for ASCII?
Can't seem to find it.

TIA,

A.

Hello:

Right ...

But why has this happened with my VM Devuan ascii ...

groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 4.9.0-12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.210-1+deb9u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$ 

... and not with my everyday rig:

groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 4.9.0-12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.210-1+deb9u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$ 

ie: what difference is there between them that causes those packages to be kept back? <- which was the reason for my OP.

There's more ... 

EDIT:
It seems that between running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on my rig and then doing the same on the VM used for the USB plug, the repos were updated.

So it looked like two different update/upgrade processes were taking place.

ie: one machine did it on the repos just before they were updated and the other just after they were updated.

Just what are the chances?  8^D

Thanks a lot for your input.

Cheers,

A.

Hello:

+1

When (in a hurry) I purchased a M2020W, the only thing that worked almost right away (Devuan 2.0 ascii) was CUPS.
No issues since.

Cheers,

A.

Hello:

So the rig was working perfectly well until "adding printer driver for a Brother laser printer"?
If so, maybe it is just the old and well known cause -> effect mechanism doing it's thing here.

Q: Just where did the driver come from?

1.
Scan through dmesg for errors and see what /var/log/Xorg.0.log has to say about X not starting.

2.
Try seeing if there's something missing, as root do:

# apt-get install -f

Please post back results.

Cheers,

A.

Hello:

From where I stand ie: not a coder or developer, just a 65+ advanced (?) user, what you say makes a lot of sense.

But I also believe that it makes sense to take into account that for Devuan, which has a hard time as things stand, things won't get easier if it has no access to or ignores SBC hardware such as RPis of which over 35 million have been sold.

These inexpensive SBP are the entry point to IT for a great many people who maybe cannot afford something else, just want to play and see what it is like or just need an inexpensive solution to a small and simple problem.

And if you leave it all to Raspbian, you will have lost a lot of potential users many of which may eventually become IT staff or pros ie: just the people Devuan needs to survive in the future.

I'm afraid that spawning dozens of derivatives will not be enough.

The Devuan project is not just a distribution, it also represents a core philosophy (Unix) or an ideology if you will.
Exactly the opposite of what mainstream MS software represents today. 

It urgently needs to develop a strategy to occupy the RPi field or get permanently pushed out of it.

Just another point of view and as always, YMMV.

Cheers,

A.

Hello:

While my WS ascii installaton gets me this ...

groucho@devuan:~$ apt list --installed | grep -i linux-image
WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
linux-image-4.9.0-12-amd64/oldstable-security,now 4.9.210-1+deb9u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
linux-image-amd64/oldstable,now 4.9+80+deb9u10 amd64 [installed]
groucho@devuan:~$ 

... my RPi installation (image) gets me this:

pi@rpidevuan:~$ apt list --installed | grep -i linux-image
WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
pi@rpidevuan:~$ 

Please explain as I'm not getting the point.

Thnaks,

A.

Hello:

There's only one (have I missed something?) image for RPi3 and it is from 2 years ago.
Would it be the same as an image of the last/latest Devuan ascii 2.1 old-stable?

This is what I have installed on my RPi +B+ now:

pi@rpidevuan:~$ uname -a
Linux rpidevuan 4.16.14-v8+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 5 18:50:10 CEST 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux
pi@rpidevuan:~$ 

This is what I have on my up-to-date Devuan ascii rig:

groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 4.9.0-12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.210-1+deb9u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$ 

If I counted (toes/fingers) correctly, it (4.16) is 12 major revisions behind.

A.

Hello:

Brigade?
Not that I know much about this, but from what I have read, a brigade is composed of ~3 batallions and this could be from 2000 to 8000 troops.
From the amount of RPi traffic I've seen there at Dev1G, I doubt we have a squad, ie: 7 to 14 troops.

That said, if not a netinstall, now that it is old-stable, at least the latest ARM Build Devuan ascii 2.1 image would be very nice to have at hand.
The one available for download is over two years old (06-Jun-2018).

A.

Hello:

I beg to differ.
Not having a designated maintainer is not the same as support being a joke.
There could be/are many reasons for not having a maintainer.

Right.

I have seen more than one application with no apparent dependency issues eg: apt-get install -f not installing anything but they would still not work because an unlisted dependency was (obviously) not installed.   

These are the apparmor related (by name) packages that show up in synaptic:

apparmor-easyprof
apparmor-notify
apparmor-utils
dh-apparmor

See if installing these changes anything, especially apparmor-utils and dh-apparmor.

Then check these sites:
https://apparmor.net/
https://medium.com/information-and-tech … 4d7ae211ed

Cheers,

A.

Hello:

Right ...
Seems to have worked.
Good sport!   ;^ )

Good.

I see.

Please have a look at /etc/default/grub.d/apparmor.cfg:

~$ cat /etc/default/grub.d/apparmor.cfg

There should be a line like this one:

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT apparmor=1 security=apparmor"

Cheers,

A.

Hello:

No one?

Thanks in advance,

A.