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#1101 Re: News & Announcements » X.Org ------> ex-org? » 2021-07-29 20:26:32

Hello:

ToxicExMachina wrote:

... FUD from Microsoft related company.
X.org is still alive.

Indeed ... 8^D

Got this a while ago from xorg-announce@lists.x.org:

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Subject: [ANNOUNCE] xorg-server 1.20.13

Matt Turner (1):
      xserver 1.20.13
Łukasz Spintzyk (2):
      present: fallback get_crtc to return crtc belonging to screen with present extension
      modesetting: unflip not possible when glamor is not set
git tag: xorg-server-1.20.13

https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … .13.tar.gz
https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … .13.tar.xz

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Best,

A.

#1102 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-25 14:53:55

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

... filed a question here for the tabs drop down issue: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1344723

Maybe it is now a moot point.
Seeing that Pale Moon did not suffer from this and other innovations, I asked at the Pale Moon forum.

ron_1 wrote:

Pale Moon is a hard fork of Firefox. There isn't any new mozilla code that will find its way into PM. It's been this way for quite a while now.

I did not know that.

It seems a good reason to stay with Pale Moon, LibreWolf does not follow the same path.
As always, YMMV.     

Best,

A.

#1103 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-23 13:25:05

Hello:

Kelsoo wrote:

No flash, all the websites linked work. about:config is avalible ...

Sorry ...
When I made reference to about:config it was not because it was not available, it is.

I meant to say that I did not find anything in about:config which would get the drop down menus to work as they did before.
Or get the tabs below the toolbar as they were before, the option I found on the web is no longer available / no longer works.
ie: browser.tabs.onTop -> boolean: false

---> rant
No idea what these chaps at Firefox were thinking when they made these changes, but they lost me after many (many) years.
And from what I have read on-line, it seems there are a great many annoyed users like me.
<--- /rant

I filed a question here for the tabs drop down issue: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1344723
Let's see what I get from that.

I tried librewolf which worked fine, but it has the same UI issues (drop down to the wrong side and tabs on top) which do not seem to be something about:config can solve. I will keep it installed as a back up option just in case.

From what I was seeing, there was something .js related that got screwed up in Pale Moon and not problem with Flash.
After hours searching for a clue/lead to fix it, I decided to do something I loathe: rip out everything and start over.

ie: à la MS.    8^|

I backed up my /home/user/palemoon folder and my bookmarks to an external drive.
Then carefully weeded out any and all Pale Moon related files, rebooted and checked again to make sure absolutely everything was gone.

I then copied the palemoon folder back in place.

Result?
It now works as it was working before all this went down.

Something got very seriously screwed up in the Pale Moon installation.
Maybe a configuration file?
No idea which or where but it seems it was not in the /home/user/palemoon folder.

I think it could have been some script related add-on I tried which, when uninstalled, did not leave things as it had found them.
Hence the .js issues.

I any case, problem solved.

Thanks to all who pitched in.

Best,

A.

#1104 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-22 12:15:59

Hello:

golinux wrote:

... "View Page Source" which would answer your question.

Thanks I'll have a look at that.

golinux wrote:

... currently on Palemoon and this option is available.

I'm on Pale Moon 29.3.0 64bit

Maybe it is something else.
eg: see this post https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comme … espond_to/.

If I left click on the "View entire discussion (10 comments)" tab, nothing happens.

---
Q: Does it work for you? - Can you click and see the next 10 comments?
---

Another thing is that sites which have a captcha are not showing it at all, I can only see it with some other browser.
ie: no on-screen indication of a captcha field whatsoever.

But I find both Firefox, Librewolf and probably anything else Firefox based to be unusable.
The way the drop down from the folders in the Bookmarks toolbar always opens to the right instead of opening to the side of the screen that has available space is a real PITA, probably the main reason I dropped Firefox. (I have a three screen setup, used to work perfectly well)

It got that way one day after an update and apparently (as far as I know) there's no way to fix it.
ie: no about:config setting.

I won't even go into what the UI has morphed into or the push to use their sync to back up everything in your browser.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#1105 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 21:49:12

Hello:

anticapitalista wrote:

... comment on the Grauniad typo ...

Indeed ...
If nothing else, true to style.  -> 8^D

Cheers,

A.

#1106 Re: Installation » It's not just Wondows: apparently we have a problem » 2021-07-21 19:20:28

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... including using systemd as default init system tongue

Indeed.

I was being facetious, I seriously doubt they will backpedal on this.

Best,

A.

#1107 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 18:55:39

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Both of the linked sites work fine for me.
... cartoons need javascript to be displayed properly but my beloved Guardian still works ...

Thanks for the info.

I may just have to dump Palemoon.
One of my favourites at The Guadian is the feature "Best photographs of the day", although I can see the photos, the captions are missing.

Could you check if it is a Flash thing or something else?

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#1108 Re: Installation » It's not just Wondows: apparently we have a problem » 2021-07-21 18:50:28

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

... local vulnerability so unlikely to trouble most desktop users.

Good to know.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

... exploitable in Debian 11 ...
... user namespaces have been enabled by default:
Bad decision...

Yes, I agree.

... Debian default was to restrict this feature to processes running as root, because it exposed more security issues in the kernel.
... confident that the risk of enabling it is outweighed by the security benefits ...
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … 2021-33909

Maybe they should weigh the risk again?

Thank for your input.

Best,

A.

#1109 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 15:07:27

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... view those sites and cartoons OK with Brave browser and with LibreWolf browser.
... those browsers have had flash enabled for a long time.
Some sites just perform better with particular browsers ...
Doesn't look like there's any flash problem with those two sites.

The thing is that up to a few days I did not have these issues with Palemoon.

eg: the captcha feature some sites have is not working in my bank account.

I'll check those out but maybe something's gone awry (?) with my Palemoon installation.

Thanks for the heads up.

Best,

A.

#1110 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 13:55:47

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... try the Palemoon forum?

No.

andyprough wrote:

... moonchild and Tobin would just LOVE to argue with you ...

Not interested in arguing with anyone.

Best,

A.

#1111 Installation » It's not just Wondows: apparently we have a problem » 2021-07-21 12:04:23

Altoid
Replies: 8

Hello:

From this morning's edition of ElReg:

https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/ … scalation/

Richard Speed wrote:

It's not just Windows: a security hole has been discovered in Linux kernels since version 3.16 that can be exploited by rogue users and malware already on a system to gain root-level privileges. The vulnerability has been assigned the ID CVE-2021-33909.

Dubbed Sequoia by the Qualys team that found and responsibly reported the flaw, we're told the bug is present in "default installations of Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu 20.10, Ubuntu 21.04, Debian 11, and Fedora 34 Workstation. Other Linux distributions are likely vulnerable and probably exploitable." Thus, check for updates and install them as soon as you can as patches should be available by now now or shortly for your distro.

Technical details of the file-system-code-level programming blunder are here. Qualys' proof-of-concept exploit required 5GB of RAM and a million inodes to succeed.

Qualys also found another security weakness in Linux systems, CVE-2021-33910, a denial-of-service kernel panic via systemd. Patches are also available so grab those updates, too.

I don't know how high the possibilities of this being executed are, but I thought I'd point to it for those who know more about these things.

Best,

A.

#1112 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 11:41:04

Hello:

blackhole wrote:

Which newspapers/sites are still using flash...?

In this site, https://projects.newsday.com/cartoons/o … rtoons/#!/ I cannot see the cartoonists' work.
In this site, https://www.theguardian.com/international some content does not render properly ie: as it did before.
I'm attributing it all to Flash, maybe I'm mistaken?

I've come across others.

Best,

A.

#1113 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 11:35:50

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... project called "ruffle" that seeks to be a flash emulator.
... used by the Internet Archive ...

Thanks for the suggestion, but Palemoon does not support WebExtensions.

Best,

A.

#1114 Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-20 19:55:13

Altoid
Replies: 19

Hello:

I think that the demise of Adobe's infamous Flash/Flash Player is a (most probably) good thing ...

Except for the fact that it has turned quite a few things upside down for me.

eg:
Although I can get my daily dose of Charles Schultz's Peanuts, I can no longer see my favourite political cartoonists' (Matt Davies) work every morning like I used to.

Watching films and series from pirate links posted on various sites (yes, so what?) has lost the possibility of adding *.srt subtitle files to the stream, needed when what I am watching is in a language I don't understand or when the Irish or Welsh accent makes it difficult to understand what's going on.
I can still watch the flics with whatever comes up in Palemoon 29 but there's no option for subtitles.

A couple of the newspapers/sites I read on-line apparently have Flash enabled pages so there are parts I cannot read and so on ...

What can be done to ameliorate this sad state of things?
Is there a replacement for Adobe Flash to be installed?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1115 Re: Other Issues » Dependency not available to install an application needed » 2021-07-14 16:04:16

Hello:

swarfendor437 wrote:

... not spotted that element on the site.
Many thanks.

You're welcome.

swarfendor437 wrote:

... before I moved to Devuan I had to splatter the desktop ...
... remove Java 11 and install Java 8.

The type of thing that frequently happens with packages from outside the repositories.

swarfendor437 wrote:

... hoping it would have worked ...

You may want to consider sending them an email to let them know about your issue.
There's probably other users affected, some may run on Devuan.

swarfendor437 wrote:

... appreciated that you took all that trouble ...

No trouble at all.
That's how the Pay It Forward system works.

Others here at Dev1 have done the same for me many times, so I try to do it for someone if I have the chance.
Usually works => everyone wins.  8^)

Best,

A.

#1116 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » chimaera: no more icons in xfce-panel application menu » 2021-07-13 21:48:52

Hello:

hagbard_ wrote:

... don't have any icons in the xfce-panel application menu any more.

golinux wrote:

... path to some of the Xfce icons has been changed
... some redesigned ...
... some are now eye-shattering blue.

I guess it was bound to happen to Devuan, sooner or later.

Sometime ago (last year?) I read about the huge backlash to the new path Xfce was taking as it moved forward to v. 4.16.
If I remember correctly, it was mainly about Client Side Decorations

See:
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56141#p56141
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56143#p56143
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=56144#p56144

... not an issue about what the Users want ...
... why follow and mimic Gnome?
---
... XFCE and Mate both seem to have this strange and senseless desire to become like Gnome ...
... with Gnome trying so hard to be like Microsoft.

I then thought it over and decided to stay with the version I have (4.12) as long as I can so as to give me time to consider something else altogether.
I was never too happy with how Xfce worked and this sort of set a limit. 

golinux wrote:

Hopefully it can be sorted.

No need (for me), I won't continue past Xfce 4.12.

Q: which would be the safest and most foolproof/bulletproof way to keep Xfce from upgrading anything from now on?

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#1117 Re: Other Issues » Dependency not available to install an application needed » 2021-07-12 16:15:56

Hello:

swarfendor437 wrote:

... trying to install the latest version of Bralleblaster stable.

Is this application in the stable Debian repository?
If it is, it should (unless for some reason blacklisted) also be in the stable Devuan repository.

But ...
Check this thread from 11/2017 at lists.debian.org:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessi … 00047.html

It is mid-2021 and I could not find it in the Debian package repository search:

https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all

Have you asked the developers about the dependency and the reason it is not included in the package?

Edit:

Check this page: https://www.brailleblaster.org/docs/sys … ements.php

brailleblaster.org wrote:

BrailleBlaster System Requirements
Software Requirements

When using one of the BrailleBlaster installer packages you will need a computer running one of the below operating systems.

    Windows 10 or Newer
    Mac OS X or Newer
    Ubuntu Linux 20.04 or later   <-------------- Bear in mind that Ubuntu Linux Debian/Devuan Linux.
                                                                         ie: it does not mean that it will run on them and that there's probably
                                                                         a reason Ubuntu is mentioned but not Debian/Devuan.

Only if using the universal zip archive distribution of BrailleBlaster you will also need Java15 or higher installed on your computer.

Best,

A.

#1118 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-11 11:27:47

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... take issue with "binary blobs" in Linux.

For what it may be worth, I sit sort of in the middle with respect to how pragmatic I'll willing to be.
Call it pragmatic but only up to a point.

ie:
I can, if the advantages are relevant, accept to have proprietary code within my installation if I can trust the origin and some of my hardware (WiFi, video card) needs it to work.
But I would not be willing to accept proprietary code if it is required for the OS itself to work.

A.

#1119 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Getting rid of Pulseaudio » 2021-07-10 20:24:49

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Try ...

Done.
Works as expected.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Best,

A.

#1120 Installation » [SOLVED] Getting rid of Pulseaudio » 2021-07-10 15:49:37

Altoid
Replies: 2

Hello:

I have been wanting to get rid of Pulseaudio for a while but have not paid much attention to it till now.
I didn't install it and my guess was that it was not part of my Devuan Beowulf installation.

So I checked with aptitude:

groucho@devuan:~$ aptitude why pulseaudio
i   xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Recommends pulseaudio
groucho@devuan:~$ 

So it seems that by simply installing a volume control for the Xfce panel, I got Pulseaudio as an added bonus, so to speak.

I tried apt to see what a purge would drag along with it:

groucho@devuan:~$ sudo apt purge pulseaudio  --dry-run
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libpulsedsp pulseaudio-utils rtkit
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  pulseaudio*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Purg pulseaudio [12.2-4+deb10u1]
groucho@devuan:~$ 

I see that xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin does not get removed but I'm not at all confident that it will still work.
ie: the name says it all.

The panel volume control/mixer is something I use a lot but it does not have to be this one.

Any suggestions/recommendations with respect to this?

Thanks in advance,

Best,

A.

#1121 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-09 19:58:06

Hello:

blackhole wrote:

Secureboot is not a security feature.
... a ploy by Microsoft to have greater control ...
... an undisclosed deal with the OEMs.
... exclusivity for MS Windows.

A decades long arrangement, if you want to call it that.
More like extorsion:

Want be able to sell your OEM products?
Then they'll have to be Windowsabled (ie: approved/tested/whatever) by MS.
BIOS and drivers according to our specifications and don't give us any of that Linux cancer/OSS crap.
Right?

And it's only undisclosed in that the public in general doesn't know the exact details, but it has always been blindingly obvious.

O.

#1122 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Ascii kernel update borks laptop » 2021-07-09 01:19:24

Hello:

Micronaut wrote:
nemo@nautilus:~$ apt list | grep installed | grep openjdk
--- snip ---
openjdk-8-jre/oldstable-security,now 8u292-b10-0+deb9u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
openjdk-8-jre-headless/oldstable-security,now 8u292-b10-0+deb9u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
nemo@nautilus:~$ apt list | grep installed | grep icedtea
--- snip ---
icedtea-8-plugin/now 1.6.2-3.1 amd64 [installed,local]
icedtea-netx-common/oldstable,now 1.6.2-3.1+deb9u1 all [installed,automatic]

Right ....

Let's try doing this:

~# apt install icedtea-netx-common  --dry-run

This should tell us if it will fix part/all of the dependency issues as it should drag in updated versions of openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jre-headless.

Please post the output.

Best,

A.

#1123 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Ascii kernel update borks laptop » 2021-07-08 23:32:20

Hello:

Micronaut wrote:

... finally have a result.

Indeed ...

nemo@nautilus:~$ apt-cache rdepends icedtea-netx
icedtea-netx
Reverse Depends:
  icedtea-8-plugin
  icedtea-netx-common
  libbiojava4.0-java
nemo@nautilus:~$ apt-cache depends icedtea-netx
icedtea-netx
  Depends: openjdk-8-jre
  Depends: icedtea-netx-common
  Conflicts: <openjdk-6-jre>
  Conflicts: <openjdk-6-jre-headless>
  Replaces: <openjdk-6-jre>
  Replaces: <openjdk-6-jre-headless>

From what I understand, the latest (kept back) version of icedtea-netx breaks openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jre-headless.

Open a terminal and as sudo/root do:

apt list | grep installed | grep openjdk-

and

apt list | grep installed | grep icedtea-

This will show us what openjdk- and icedtea- packages are installed.

Please post the result.

Best,

A.

#1124 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Ascii kernel update borks laptop » 2021-07-08 21:14:43

Hello:

Micronaut wrote:

... command line programs are ingenius in their ability to find nitpicks ...

No ...

It was because it was late and I did not test the stanza first.
Command line stanzas must use the correct syntax to work.

The correct one is this:

~$ apt-cache depends icedtea-netx

It will get you the package's dependencies.

Then this one will get you the package's dependencies as well as the dependencies of the dependencies.
ie: the dependency tree.

~$ apt-cache rdepends icedtea-netx

My apologies for the slip.
Please run those and post the result.

root@nautilus:~# apt list | grep installed | grep icedtea

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

icedtea-8-plugin/now 1.6.2-3.1 amd64 [installed,local]
icedtea-netx-common/oldstable,now 1.6.2-3.1+deb9u1 all [installed,automatic]

--> There's no need for root for these. <--

BTW: you are using 'quote" instead of "code".

Best,

A.

#1125 Re: Off-topic » Presentation of LinuC » 2021-07-08 10:18:52

Hello:

@dice, @steve_v:

golinux wrote:

This forum is familiar with LinuC (aka JSM) and his agenda.  Please, let's not go there again.

You are only giving the chap nut-job air time and Dev1's forum resources.
No need for that.
Is there?

Because ...
Who here gives a flying flamingo™ what the website he slapped together does or how it works?

Just my $0.02.

A.

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