Pedro, you probably don't want to read this.

mckaygerhard wrote:

again talking without well knowed ! everybody can have free access to those security updates..

Either you don't know what you are talking about or you are deliberately spreading misinformation. I think it's the latter. You said that Debian offers 7 years of support. That is simply not true.

You don't know what goes on here. You just come by every now and then to throw shit on the project. Are you getting paid to do this? I don't have the time or desire to track down and identify all your alternate "facts". So I now have to assume that everything you say is false.

zapper wrote:

This is why I believe we need more people working on an alternative operating system such as HyperbolaBSD.

Although,  unless more people work on it, it won't be out till 2024 for the base system alone.

That all being said, I hope devuan will last for another 4-5 years the way it is at least... if not forever.

Dunno if that will happen though.

Only two options may exist in the not so near future, fork the linux kernel and maintain it separately or ditch linux in favor of a new solution.

I am thinking the latter may be better.

The Linux kernel is just a kernel, and not really the problem. There just needs to be distros that buck the trend(s). I don't see how ditching it would really help matters. Until and unless the Linux kernel mandates systemd, which could happen after they kick Linus out.

Those are called 'stubs' in computer science. They are put there as a deprecation to keep apps & utilities that reference them from failing catastrophically. (It's kinda like having a "guest" bedroom, but never inviting anyone to spend the night (which demonstrates that you are socially competent, but you don't actually have to go there)).

Ron wrote:

is Virtualbox not in the repo?

No, it's so shit that the Debian developers removed it from the stable release and won't be backporting it in future.

See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=794466 for all the gory details.

Ogis1975 wrote:

I prefer qemu-kvm

+1

zapper wrote:

dice wrote:

I have some old hardware i use on a daily basis with devuan, lately ive found that if i use anything bleeding edge like archlinux, voidlinux, artixlinux, i will get complete lockups/freezes but using devuan stable, debian stable my old machine runs fine. I cant figure this out. I have been running the backported 5.9 kernel for a few days with no issues, yet if i run archlinux linux-lts or even in voidlinux the 4.19 kernel it will just lockup/freeze unable ssh or get a tty. Might be time to update but as long as devuan still works i dont see a reason too, im hoping when chimeara becomes stable i wont have these issues and can run the computer for another few years.

Small problem, voidlinux isn't bleeding edge, its rolling release with a focus on stability.

So I guess you could say its semi rolling release. I think? I haven't used it a whole lot, but, I also noticed that using musl's voidlinux is a little more buggy.

Yeah it says stable rolling release, for me not so stable and this was not the musl variation but the glibc variation via netinstall (yes it can be done in voidlinux, similar to the arch way). I installed it the other day and no word of a lie the computer froze in the first 2 minutes. Basic xfce4 install. Im not about to complain to them though, the laptop i tested it on is ten years old. Anyhow i might be able to get my hands on a later model laptop from 2015/16, a lenovo x250 - i5, has a tiny screen though at 13.3 inches, im used to 15 inches on my toshiba sat.

Might be time to say goodbye to the toshiba, but i live in hope of making this thing work for 15 years, hopefully devuan can get me there

Edit: i have an even older dell laptop from around 2008 that is now happily buzzing away streaming some youtube at low res using slitaz linux, pretty sure it will last another 2 - 3 years with a battery upgrade.

I have some old hardware i use on a daily basis with devuan, lately ive found that if i use anything bleeding edge like archlinux, voidlinux, artixlinux, i will get complete lockups/freezes but using devuan stable, debian stable my old machine runs fine. I cant figure this out. I have been running the backported 5.9 kernel for a few days with no issues, yet if i run archlinux linux-lts or even in voidlinux the 4.19 kernel it will just lockup/freeze unable ssh or get a tty. Might be time to update but as long as devuan still works i dont see a reason too, im hoping when chimeara becomes stable i wont have these issues and can run the computer for another few years.

zapper wrote:

The mei module and the hdcp modules

They're both open source and they're not loaded unless you need them.

zapper wrote:

how to disable that stuff

Create a file at /etc/modprobe.d/block_nasties.conf with this content:

install mei /bin/true
install mei-hdcp /bin/true

^ That will stop the modules from ever being loaded.

EDIT: see https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/driver-api/mei/ for an explanation of the kernel interface for the management engine.

Or better yet, just don't use "appimage" at all.  I suspect that there aren't many devuan users who would touch it.

bimon wrote:

The only problem I get now: Rust 1.41.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u1 is not compatible with my old CPU.

Please open a new thread for this problem, we're waaaaay off topic here already. Thanks.

zapper wrote:

Snowden thought spying had a place, but only on the very powerful. The people in power should be spied on to make sure they don't abuse their power. As for everyone else though... NO! just no... 

My 2 cents man...

Agreed Zap - it's very backward how the government and big tech collect every text message and phone call and email and the entire web history of the poor worker drone who is making $12 an hour. But he has no right to demand transparency from the government or the tech oligarchs.