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#76 Re: Off-topic » FHS evolution » 2017-07-12 09:29:20
The main system files are accessible at boot time for a reason - if there should be a problem with the system, you have the programs needed.
Don't forget, Linux/BSD/unix were originally server systems, which have found their way into the desktop area by keen users of these systems.
It isn't like when PC's first arrived, & DOS was the operating system, which then got a GUI bolted onto it - unix developed as a 'whole' system, not by having bits added piecemeal.
#77 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Any relation between Devuan and antiX/MX? » 2017-07-06 08:05:57
This is what shows up running that command.
keith@hp-g62:~
$ dpkg -l | grep systemd
ii bsdutils 1:2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 amd64 basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Lite
ii dbus 1.8.22-0+deb8u1.0nosystemd1 amd64 simple interprocess messaging system (daemon and utilities)
ii dbus-x11 1.8.22-0+deb8u1.0nosystemd1 amd64 simple interprocess messaging system (X11 deps)
ii init 1.22+nosystemd1 amd64 System-V-like init utilities - metapackage
ii init-system-helpers 1.22+nosystemd1 all helper tools for systemd
ii libblkid1:amd64 2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 amd64 block device id library
ii libcolord2:amd64 1.2.1-1.0nosystemd1 amd64 system service to manage device colour profiles -- runtime
ii libcups2:amd64 1.7.5-11.0nosystemd1 amd64 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - Core library
ii libdbus-1-3:amd64 1.8.22-0+deb8u1.0nosystemd1 amd64 simple interprocess messaging system (library)
ii libmount1:amd64 2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 amd64 device mounting library
ii libpolkit-agent-1-0:amd64 0.105-15~deb8u2.0nosystemd1 amd64 PolicyKit Authentication Agent API
ii libpolkit-gobject-1-0:amd64 0.105-15~deb8u2.0nosystemd1 amd64 PolicyKit Authorization API
ii libpulse0:amd64 5.0-13.0nosystemd1 amd64 PulseAudio client libraries
ii libsmartcols1:amd64 2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 amd64 smart column output alignment library
ii libudisks2-0:amd64 2.1.3-5.0nosystemd1 amd64 GObject based library to access udisks2
ii libupower-glib1:amd64 0.99.1-really-0.9.23-2.0nosystemd1 amd64 abstraction for power management - shared library
ii libuuid1:amd64 2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 amd64 Universally Unique ID library
ii mount 2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 amd64 Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems
ii udevil 0.4.4-1.0nosystemd1 amd64 Alternative storage media interface
ii udisks2 2.1.3-5.0nosystemd1 amd64 D-Bus service to access and manipulate storage devices
ii upower 0.99.1-really-0.9.23-2.0nosystemd1 amd64 abstraction for power management
ii util-linux 2.25.2-6.0nosystemd1 amd64 Miscellaneous system utilities
keith@hp-g62:~Edit: Please note, I am not criticising, Antix is & has been my main O/S for several years, I haven't yet converted fully to Devuan but am trying it for comparison.
#78 Re: Off-topic » When you can't tell the difference between Windows and systemd » 2017-07-06 07:57:26
I'm beginning to get the feeling that he, (Lennart Poettering), is secretly working for Microsoft, seems all his software has bugs that he calls features. 
#79 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Any relation between Devuan and antiX/MX? » 2017-07-04 09:12:18
Maybe this will help you see what is in AntiX.
$ uname -a
Linux hp-g62 4.4.10-antix.1-amd64-smp #2 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 23 15:28:54 EET 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ find / -name systemd* > sysd
$ cat sysd
/var/lib/systemd
/lib/systemd
/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
/lib/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/systemd-udevd.service
/lib/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/systemd-udev-trigger.service
/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket
/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-control.socket
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udevd.service
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udev-trigger.service
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udev-settle.service
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udevd-control.socket
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/systemd
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd-control.socket.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd.service.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd.8.gz
/etc/systemdSo, not entirely systemd free.
#80 Re: Installation » How to use connman-ui instead of wicd? » 2017-06-29 08:18:08
Well, if wicd doesn't work, I'll always use ceni, so I suggest installing it, or your conman-ui & use it instead. 
(Same on several DebIan and DebIan-based ISOs I've tried.)
That makes it sound like the problem is at your server end to me, or were they all using wicd.
#81 Re: Installation » How to use connman-ui instead of wicd? » 2017-06-28 11:11:37
Isn't there an 'automaticaly connect' or 'use this connection' setting(?).
(I know I don't have to manually start mine every time.)
#82 Re: Off-topic » Hi From NZ » 2017-06-28 10:37:51
Welcome aboard.
(I'm in England. 
)
#83 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Devuan popcon in ascii » 2017-06-26 12:47:55
I've not heard of any risks concerning popcon on Debian, so doubt they'll be any on Devuan.
#84 Re: Off-topic » Just sayin' HI! » 2017-06-25 11:06:44
Welcome aboard.
I've been using Debian based systems since around 1999, but systemd is not my cup of tea,
I don't want it.
My main system has been AntiX which is systemd free, but is still based on Debian.
I have kept an eye on Devuan development since it's announcement, & am happy to use it.
I don't think you will be disappointed.
#85 Re: Off-topic » backup systems sheet comparison » 2017-06-25 11:01:03
OP is a systems admin?
FreeNAS is a FreeBSD Network Attached System.
Most of what s/he is talking about are for multiple systems back up in an industrial environment from what I can tell.
Most of the people on the forum are end users, from what I can tell, so will naturally have a different perspective.
Posts need to be put into perspective.
#86 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-06-23 08:03:22
Well, if support for 3/4/586 is still in the kernel, you can build your own kernel & continue to use your old hardware.
Might eventually have to build your own 32bit software yourself too, but it should remain possible.
Inconvenient, yes, but times change, & we don't tend to ride around on horses much these days.
Support, as in security updates, will probably end fairly soon, but when you think about it, 64bit systems have been with us for a while now.
Arm processors are getting more prevalent too, so we might see a shift away from 'Intel' archetechture in the near future.
After all, we don't see many 8086 or 8088 based machines around nowadays.
#87 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-06-20 08:43:39
If I may pose an honest question which I think is relevant to this topic, how much of all the good package compatibility work will find/has found its way back into the source from which Debian repos are built, so that a straight Debian + sysvinit setup will be Devuan in all but name?
I think this issue must eventually work its way through into whether Debian backtracks and effectively offers a clean sysvinit (ie systemd dependency-free) install option which draws in all the Devuan goodness, in which case the fork would have done its job and could be gracefully re-merged. Or is that a) an ideal that can never in reality happen or even b) anything but ideal?
Debian has a bureaucracy, Devuan is a collective, which makes for a very different way of decision making.
Even if Debian were to go back to another init system, why would you give up on a team that understood the problem they, Debian, created & gave us a 'free' system choice?
No, I don't think Devuan will merge back into Debian. Devuan will grow stronger & become a major player in the base distro area.
Edit: Devuan developers are listening to what its users want.
#88 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Star (Morbius*) » 2017-06-19 09:59:15
I guess it lets you know what is available, as all but the first are commented out.
#89 Re: Devuan Derivatives » how to setup installer with different desktop rather than Xfce4 » 2017-06-16 08:55:38
Edit2: I just checked a debian-8.3-CD-1. It does have libreoffice. That's new for jessie. In wheezy and squeeze it was on CD-2. I don't know why there's a difference, and it doesn't change your options, anyway.
That's why they have that popularity poll thing on their disks - it lets them know what their users are actually using.
(The most popular then goes on the CD1.)
#90 Re: Devuan » Question/Suggestion:What about being an entirely free GNU/Linux disto? » 2017-06-14 08:31:46
In the old days when we didn't use a GUI, it was easier to adhere to the FSF policies, but there is so much variety out there these days that users/owners of computers want everything they have paid for to work, & that means using manufacturer blobs.
The manufacturer uses blobs so that a piece of equipment can be used on a variety of OS. If they didn't, the equipment would cost a lot more.
It's a matter of economics & user choice.
If you want to stick rigidly to the FSF standards, carry on & do so, that is your right of freedom, I want to do useful things with my computers.
As long as the blobs don't interfere with my OS, I'm happy to use them so that I can use my equipment.
#91 Re: Other Issues » newbie question, as I am » 2017-06-12 08:10:00
From the first time I used Linux, I began writing down all the little things that I learned in a small notebook, for quick reference.
(If you can't get into your system, it's no good having the info on there. )
Also, learn how to use a live distro to access your installed system, comes in very handy at times.
#92 Re: DIY » The devuan 1.0.0 desktop-live amd64 » 2017-06-10 09:12:01
The idea of a basic 'X' live is to get a faster installation than using the regular install media - then you just add in the programs that you want.
Sometimes you will want different programs on a different computer, & this will allow you to set them up quickly.
Running live, you will be able to temporarily add software, to use, (or just to check it out before installing it).
Also, it will help those that like to build different 'distros', they will only have to concentrate on their additions & tweaks.
#93 Re: DIY » The devuan 1.0.0 desktop-live amd64 » 2017-06-10 09:04:24
Never heard of connman before, I tend to use ceni, but I'll accept wicd.
#94 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-10 08:57:08
Seems like we are in a war against internet advertisers, they are trying to make us watch stuff we don't want, & we are trying to have our browsers ignore & block them.
I used to use Adblock Plus, & it worked - but now, advertisers have found ways around it - so now I am using Adblock Ultimate - the war goes on.
I, too, have lately been looking for a replacement browser.
#95 Re: Installation » Good x86 kernel >4.5.x initrd.gz + vmlinuz + modules.tar.gz ? » 2017-06-08 09:51:20
Maybe upgrade or install ASCII
Linux devuan 4.5.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.5.5-1 (2016-05-29) x86_64 GNU/Linuxthen compress the modules folder to a file, & save that plus vmlinuz & initrd.gz to an external drive.
#96 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-06-07 08:53:37
@sgage
spartrekus may seem like a troll to you, but I have seen some of his/her other posts in other forums, s/he is a programmer, & certainly not a troll.
#97 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-06-07 08:50:21
Devuan has a strong team behind it.
It has only taken this long to reach a release because of the major work of checking every program for reliance on systemd.
Now that this has been achieved, the load on the devs will be a lot less, & I think they will cope admirably.
We just need to give them support in any way that we can.
#98 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-05 13:44:48
Ok, maybe wrong definition of free, but you got my meaning.
It isn't FOSS, as such, as it is being controlled by a specific group of people or a business concern.
#99 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-05 10:34:58
It doesn't appear to be free as in beer.....
Freeware License
Slimjet Web Browser is released under the freeware license. It is free both for personal use and commerical use. It is free to be distributed over the internet and/or through offline distribution channels as long as it is kept in its original form without any change. Bundling Slimjet with other software in another installer is strictly prohibited.
Edit: Just installed it to test it out, some sites are definately faster, however, Youtube videos won't/don't play!
#100 Re: DIY » The devuan 1.0.0 desktop-live amd64 » 2017-06-04 17:24:28
Shame about no 'single click' option, looks like I'll have to get used to the 'Windows' way, or else go back to a WM.
A live iso with just xorg and a window manager is something I'm thinking about for ascii. Then people can add stuff (or fail to add it and report problems.) I will bring this up in discussion with the devs.
Thanks, that will be nice to have, (with wifi), & probably please quite a few other people.
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