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#951 Re: Off-topic » stable vs bleeding edge » 2021-01-22 06:43:53
zapper wrote:dice wrote:I have some old hardware i use on a daily basis with devuan, lately ive found that if i use anything bleeding edge like archlinux, voidlinux, artixlinux, i will get complete lockups/freezes but using devuan stable, debian stable my old machine runs fine. I cant figure this out. I have been running the backported 5.9 kernel for a few days with no issues, yet if i run archlinux linux-lts or even in voidlinux the 4.19 kernel it will just lockup/freeze unable ssh or get a tty. Might be time to update but as long as devuan still works i dont see a reason too, im hoping when chimeara becomes stable i wont have these issues and can run the computer for another few years.
Small problem, voidlinux isn't bleeding edge, its rolling release with a focus on stability.
So I guess you could say its semi rolling release. I think? I haven't used it a whole lot, but, I also noticed that using musl's voidlinux is a little more buggy.
Yeah it says stable rolling release, for me not so stable and this was not the musl variation but the glibc variation via netinstall (yes it can be done in voidlinux, similar to the arch way). I installed it the other day and no word of a lie the computer froze in the first 2 minutes. Basic xfce4 install. Im not about to complain to them though, the laptop i tested it on is ten years old. Anyhow i might be able to get my hands on a later model laptop from 2015/16, a lenovo x250 - i5, has a tiny screen though at 13.3 inches, im used to 15 inches on my toshiba sat.
Might be time to say goodbye to the toshiba, but i live in hope of making this thing work for 15 years, hopefully devuan can get me there
Edit: i have an even older dell laptop from around 2008 that is now happily buzzing away streaming some youtube at low res using slitaz linux, pretty sure it will last another 2 - 3 years with a battery upgrade.
Why not get something you can have without the intel me or amd psp?
Such as a thinkpad x230 with coreboot and intel me neutered?
I have such a device, and it runs very fast. Like it can handle 3x the load of my thinkpad x200 at least and its maybe 4x faster. 
Just my two cents regarding what you should get.
And in the later future you could wait for something more open source friendly such as mnt reform or that balthazar laptop from balthazar.space
That would have risc-v, so it might be 3 or more years away from happening. I bet a risc-v laptop that's 90% freedom friendly hardware with few backdoors, will be out by the time HyperbolaBSD is out. 
Aka, 2024 or later. 
My bad though, im getting off topic.
Ath9k + intel me neutered + coreboot or retroboot when that is out for the thinkpad x230, is a good fit. Your choice, but I myself enjoy it.
Till someone learns how to remove the intel me code on it completely, I will probably use it for light gaming.
#952 Re: Off-topic » MX Linux » 2021-01-21 13:04:26
manyroads wrote:I personally am devoted to breaking anything I am able and to using obtuse desktops where possible.
Exactly - a distro is no good unless I can drive it like a car right over a cliff and leave it in a pile of flames and smoking wreckage at the bottom. Which is why I really despise MX and Devuan - no matter how hard I beat on them they simply recover gracefully. Very frustrating.
Try VoidLinux or artixlinux then...
Voidlinux is semi stable in my experience, but artix is bleeding edge so... if you want crashes, breakages thats your gem.
#953 Re: Off-topic » stable vs bleeding edge » 2021-01-21 13:01:08
I have some old hardware i use on a daily basis with devuan, lately ive found that if i use anything bleeding edge like archlinux, voidlinux, artixlinux, i will get complete lockups/freezes but using devuan stable, debian stable my old machine runs fine. I cant figure this out. I have been running the backported 5.9 kernel for a few days with no issues, yet if i run archlinux linux-lts or even in voidlinux the 4.19 kernel it will just lockup/freeze unable ssh or get a tty. Might be time to update but as long as devuan still works i dont see a reason too, im hoping when chimeara becomes stable i wont have these issues and can run the computer for another few years.
Small problem, voidlinux isn't bleeding edge, its rolling release with a focus on stability.
So I guess you could say its semi rolling release. I think? I haven't used it a whole lot, but, I also noticed that using musl's voidlinux is a little more buggy.
More importantly though, I also noticed that connman is the easiest interface to get started for voidlinux.
Depends also though how it is installed on your comp too though.
But yeah, Archlinux can be a mess. Dunno about Artixlinux though... probably similar though
Warning about void though, if your laptop doesn't need non-free crap, just forcibly remove it. I had no issues as long as it is a libreboot or coreboot + me cleaned device.
Otherwise, you very likely need to keep it.
A side note though, libreboot is being rebranded in the future...
Actually just a small edit, the first time I installed voidlinux which was sometime between 2014-2018 or something like that, there were small bugs if you wanted to use certain apps,
That's about it though. I have a feeling they improved it vastly since then.
#954 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Devuan's "systemctl daemon-reload" » 2021-01-20 05:17:14
@zapper
Point taken, but:
- One only learns these things after one pays for it.
- ExpressVPN also has a problem with Manjaro, as they only test with Arch and expect Manjaro users to accept AUR.
- I first used ProtonVPN, but its commands require sudo while ExpressVPN commands do not. ProtonVPN eliminated its servers in my home city, which makes it problematic for websites requiring local login (Hotmail and my bank's website did not appreciate that).Which VPNs are known to be compatible with Devuan?
I agree with your first point.
As for your second, I don't know much about that.
And for your third point, I don't have too much knowledge at the moment. I don't really use a vpn other than cryptostorm. But I use the free version, not the paid version. I am not sure how well the paid version would work though. 
I should add though, I also, A don't use hotmail and B, I don't use a vpn when logging into bank accounts usually.
Is Expressvpn a vpn that is privacy friendly?
I know none of them have zero logs and that is a lie that any use zero logs, but I wondered if you just use it for censorship bypassing or privacy altogether.
Regardless though, the fact it relies on system dumb makes me suspicious of them. Seems a bit corrupt to me. If you using it for censorship bypassing though, your set probably. Privacy though... I dunno.
PS, there are better emails out there that are actually more open source and free at the same time. Disroot.org for example is one I use.
I dunno when they accepting new accounts, but its worth checking.
Unless you need hotmail for work or something else. Which is very possible.
#955 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-01-18 11:57:19
zapper wrote:The mei module and the hdcp modules
They're both open source and they're not loaded unless you need them.
zapper wrote:how to disable that stuff
Create a file at /etc/modprobe.d/block_nasties.conf with this content:
install mei /bin/true install mei-hdcp /bin/true^ That will stop the modules from ever being loaded.
EDIT: see https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/driver-api/mei/ for an explanation of the kernel interface for the management engine.
Hmm, well, they try to load when I used devuan's kernel despite the intel me being disabled. And my laptop has no problem with the linux-libre kernel... so idk if what you said is accurate, but perhaps it gives some advantage.
As for if they are open source, meh... I heard bad things about both, so I see no need to keep them on.
That all being said, thanks for the info on how to disable them.
#956 Re: Off-topic » What other distro are you using (besides devuan)? » 2021-01-17 04:25:44
zapper wrote:didn't know that their kernels were already deblobbed, is this verifiable?
Well they have separate packages for the firmware, which is a pretty clear sign
Otherwise check the source: https://github.com/void-linux/void-pack … plate#L180
I didn't reply to this for a while, but I found one other new reason to use deblobbed linux kernels from jxself.org...
The mei module and the hdcp modules creep me out...
mei is some intel me management module which I have zero use for and don't know when it was added to the regular kernels...
and hdcp module is some drm like crap...
Heh so I guess unless I know how to disable that stuff, I am sticking with linux-libre. PS, I use that as a general name, Currently using LTS kernels...
#957 Re: Off-topic » Info » AppImage security and alternatives » 2021-01-17 04:18:38
Or better yet, just don't use "appimage" at all. I suspect that there aren't many devuan users who would touch it.
I have touched appimages in the past and occasionally still do, but that being said, you are probably right about appimage.
They probably aren't as secure or trustworthy as official repos for distros you trust.
I should add, i don't flatpak and especially snaps even more so.
I am not sure about guix package manager, or other alternatives... but snap and npm ones currently rank my least trusted methods of installing.
Especially now that I know about ubuntu's non-free server for snaps.
Aka, walled garden anyone?
#958 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Devuan's "systemctl daemon-reload" » 2021-01-17 04:14:10
nobody@toshiba128:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/expressvpnd restore: /etc/resolv.conf not generated by expressvpn ^C nobody@toshiba128:~$The end of /var/log/syslog didn't contain anything related to the above.
As I said before, I think the latest ExpressVPN .deb is pretty much incompatible with non-systemd systems. I'm marking this thread as solved because I have a work-around, i.e., use the previous .deb.
And/Or in the future, use a different vpn which supports freedom more.
#959 Re: Installation » How is it possible that Java update breaks Trinity DE? » 2021-01-17 04:12:01
bimon wrote:The only problem I get now: Rust 1.41.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u1 is not compatible with my old CPU.
Please open a new thread for this problem, we're waaaaay off topic here already. Thanks.
Aww... but being off topic is fun!
For instance, let's talk about eating bugs and maggots or about how the plan of google is world domination.
Btw, editing as this is meant to be a joke...
#960 Re: Installation » How is it possible that Java update breaks Trinity DE? » 2021-01-16 10:09:58
Magnus wrote:As for Trinity, I only used it for a few days. It was when I was using Konqueror to surf that I discovered that Konqueror does not support modern web technologies. Also, I had some general issues with making things work.
Trinity is not about getting support for the newest technologies, it is about stability and a lack of at least a part of modern backdoors managed from invisible BIOS trojans which (backdoors) are most likely present in KDE4 and KDE5. Most likely modern KDEs just allow to manage records via network sockets by RPC calls and that is the problem because trojans have access to network interface while it is not easy for them to interact directly via ABI APIs.
It is like a ban of a person on his own PC ("personal computer"), what to say when someone gets banned in a server managed social network if they can ban even Knotes via IntelME like probes most likely even via communication channel in a power line.
It is a big fake that personal computers are personal since there is sometimes too much undesirable activity of some agencies.
My recordings in Trinity Knotes never disappeared while it happened even in the latest version of KDE4 already using database for notes storage on a modern computer with IntelME probes. After replacing KDE4 by Trinity it did not happen anymore and a few months later I also disabled IntelME mei kernel drivers.
There are many opinions of users who loved KDE3, that KDE5 is just a disaster in terms of which road is chosen for its development.
I didn't know kde was that bad...
Makes me think as bad as gnome has gotten, well its still worse granted, but yeah KDE isn't too good either I guess...
Kind of makes me wonder though... what will KDE do now that qt's code for LTS builds become proprietary... 5.15 LTS builds will no longer be released as free software and QT6 will be fully proprietary...
That aside, I myself think trinity looks nice, but lately I have taken to i3-wm because of its minimalism. Even Lumina Desktop as nice as that is, is nowhere near as awesome to me as i3-wm.
#961 Re: Off-topic » (privacy) surveillance state? » 2021-01-16 09:59:09
zapper wrote:Snowden thought spying had a place, but only on the very powerful. The people in power should be spied on to make sure they don't abuse their power. As for everyone else though... NO! just no...
My 2 cents man...
Agreed Zap - it's very backward how the government and big tech collect every text message and phone call and email and the entire web history of the poor worker drone who is making $12 an hour. But he has no right to demand transparency from the government or the tech oligarchs.
Yep, mhm...
I think the best way to call this, is corporate fascism.
That's my thoughts personally, although to each their own...
But yeah... pcs are not personal unless coreboot is installed and no firmware blobs are required to run wifi, graphics, etc...
Thinkpad x230s are good for this purpose... albeit somewhat slow. ;>)
At least from what some people say. I myself find the speed very good. Intel me disabled, stripped down, coreboot on and WALA!
A laptop that doesn't suck major dong...
But on topic, yeah... corporations and government need to be spied on not the other way around...
#962 Re: DIY » Install runit in Beowulf. » 2021-01-11 10:06:00
Do i have to follow those instructionshttp://smarden.org/runit/replaceinit.html or installation script will cover that?
It should already be covered, if you do
sudo apt install runit runit-init
then you should be all set.
#963 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-11 10:04:13
I'll just re-iterate myself then:
Dutch_Master wrote:"Freedom of speech" doesn't mean you can say absolutely anything, anywhere, anytime. Your "freedom of speech" ends where it encroaches on freedoms of others. Disagreeing is fine, as long as it remains respectful and civil. These principles of civilisation have been trampled by certain groups and individuals in the past and exactly that is now being addressed.
Take particular note of that first sentence, then contemplate on the 2nd. That's the core of civilisation in a nutshell.
Kind of hard to be civil when people are just straight up in denial about things that are facts...
That being said, I might have been too harsh.
I just really, detest cult like thinking akin to trumplicans, fascists, neo nazis and denialists...
At some point people who have team mentality, should abandon their team... when your side threatens violence like trumplicans do, its time to eject. If you know what I mean... or to put it more simply... escape that sinking ship before you go under.
;<)
#964 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-11 07:33:14
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:dice wrote:the underlying message is quite evident.
Not for me, would you mind explaining your opinion further? TIA.
It just seems to me that with these giant platforms like mozilla,twitter and facebook, that one can be branded evil white nazi supremacists when in fact the opposite could be true and without evidence to contrary they post heresay as in the mozilla article and elsewhere in the mainstream media.
the rampant use of the internet to foment violence and hate, and reinforce white supremacy is about more than any one personality. Donald Trump is certainly not the first politician to exploit the architecture of the internet in this way
^ The article needs to back that up in regards to trumps twitters imo.
From what ive read and seen so far it looked very staged this so called "insurrection". A real coup would have involved storming the building with weopens and a clear objective, the way it looked from what they show on the mainstream media was a bunch of usefull idiots being useful idiots. I do agree free speech has its limits but if only twitter and facebook and the rest lived up to that on a daily basis.
You forget, we are talking about donald trump... he doesn't know how to be sneaky. He is good at manipulation, bad at everything else...
Just a side note, mozilla should rot for letting itself be bribed by google so many times and for accepting their money and for accepting webextensions as their new model... etc... but NOT for the reasons you and ron are mentioning.
#965 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-11 07:31:08
There's a lot of bullshit responses in this thread. The real threat here are the ones who get to decide what is (so called) hate speech and what isn't. This IS a threat to free speech.
Oh hush up man,
hate speech isn't free speech man, you know that trump told his supporters to march on the capital and that he encouraged violence. This isn't the first time, won't be the last.
The real threat is being talked about and its called extremism.
trump supporters are friggin extremists. Even the corporate democrats aren't this evil, hell even the republicans in power aren't this evil, they just cowards.
Don't give me that "those aren't the droids you are looking for"
That isn't logical in this case and we both know it.
I don't like to be so crass about this, but extremism must be exposed.
PS, I detest both sides but especially corporate rulers and effing fascists.
#966 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-10 18:01:27
Hate speech is not free speech nor is inciting violence.
My freedom ends where yours begins, aka, if you try to restrict someone's freedom or violate someones freedom especially for no justifiable reason... that is wrong.
BLM protesters would have been mowed down with gunfire if they tried to incite insurrection. The confederates /nazi/trump supporters should have had the same treatment.
Equality and justice should be more important than stupid issues like skin color, or race, or other such foolishness...
That all being said, I think firefox is going to die, she has been firing people working on firefox...
So its plausible that may happen.
And yes, your freedom ends when it encroaches on someone else's freedom.
#967 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Devuan's "systemctl daemon-reload" » 2021-01-10 06:08:58
@zapper
I think substituting s6 for SysV is way beyond my talents.
It might be beyond mine too, never used it... I have used runit/runit-init and openrc.
Although, never tried s6 cause i hear it is a replacement for systemd thats less bloated. Thus, you get the idea...
#968 Re: Installation » SOLVED: Devuan's "systemctl daemon-reload" » 2021-01-09 01:45:12
Actually, there might be one alternative to making expressvpn work, if you want...
the init known as s6 or s6-init might be able to get it running. Supposedly, it has some of the same functions as system dumb, only way more lightweight.
It is still somewhat bloated, but its worth a try right?
#969 Re: Off-topic » (privacy) surveillance state? » 2021-01-08 17:44:28
GlennW wrote:dice wrote:zapper im from Oz and it is similar to the US in regards to intelligentsia and the bourgeois. Im no fan of the brand but everynow and then he has half decent vids. More to the point though the video was for the most part concerned with invasive anti privacy software and roll out in the workplaces be it work from home or in the workplace itself and the bosses and assholes who like to implement this shit for muh productivity. Im strictly against being monitored, massive invasion of privacy.
Yes, but I can't help but think that it , the surveillance state starts under the rule of law, and the private sector takes it to the limit and then the gubbamnt taps into their systems under the guise of Public Safety.
yes it goes hand in hand, but i cant help but think that corporate greed comes into play first then pitched to the .gov to amend the law of the land in their favor. Its a win win situation for both sides, has been ever since 9/11, just ramping it up more and more each decade.
@ golinux, sage words!
@siva, spot on.
Corporate greed does make it worse, yes....
I still fail to understand why people don't realize life is short and thinking amassing large amounts of money WILL NOT, EVER BUY HAPPINESS!
Maybe TEMPORARILY IT WILL, but at some point, you get corrupted, you become evil and later die.
It is all pointless to amass wealth on this world at the cost of your own heart or if you prefer soul.
For the life of me, this is just... insane. Morality > Wealth
Why? Because you won't be happy when your greedy. At least not for very long anyways.
Long term happiness > short term happiness...
Most of what you guys said, I agree with though.
I don't know if I agree with having no backdoors in all computers, but unless your a corporate entity or a government agency... you should not be spied on unless you have a criminal record. And even then, there should be a reasonable approach. What we have here is the opposite, its just to keep power for the ruling class and let no one change it. That is insane.
Snowden thought spying had a place, but only on the very powerful. The people in power should be spied on to make sure they don't abuse their power. As for everyone else though... NO! just no...
My 2 cents man...
#970 Re: Off-topic » Greetings from New Member » 2021-01-08 17:29:59
Hello All,
My real name is James. I've been playing around with Linux for maybe 20 years. My first install was 2 Debian floppies, 3 1/2", on a repurposed desktop computer. As I write this, it occurred to me that "desktop" is an odd label for a computer which sits on the floor under the desk. But I digress...
I'm incredibly grateful for the Devuan developers for, first ASCII, then Beowulf, releases. I feel so comfortable with this system. All the techniques I've learned over the years are still usable. I'm not opposed to learning SystemD commands, but it seems like a lot of work for --- what, exactly?
My Beowulf is a minimal LXDE install after an initial command line only install. I didn't select a desktop environment. After booting into the new system, it is necessary to know how to connect to your home network in order to proceed. I hope to publish a "how to" in the near future, if there's not one already.
My computer is a repurposed Acer Chromebook 11, C740, with 2 GB RAM and a 16 GB SSD. My work data is store on a SanDisk 128 GM MicroSD card.
Also, just this morning and afternoon, I set up a media server on a repurposed Acer Aspire 5349 notebook with 4 GB RAM and 300 GB HD. After installing the base system, no desktop, I SSH'd into the server and setup Plex Media Server on the Aspire. I manage the server from Firefox on my new Beowulf Chromebook install. Sweet!
Okay all, have a great 2021, and I hope to see you back here soon!
Edit: It required 3 attempts for me to get registered. The 1st time, I picked a username already in use. The 2nd time, I flunked the intelligence test (I can't remember the question). The 3rd time, it asked for the last name of the person who invented or created Linux. The only name which came to mind was, Ian Murdoch. And then I wondered, "Do they mean the kernel dude?" And I drew a complete blank: even now, I can see his face but can't think of his name. LOL. So anyhow, I put "Murdoch", and the gatekeeper granted me admission.
Welcome, yeah, Linus Torvaldos is the kernel dude.
My reason for avoiding systemd or system dumb if you prefer is simple... I dislike bloat. Same reason i dislike dbus, pulseaudio and networkmanager...
Albeit, pulseaudio at least has a small use case... I prefer though sndio and alsa over pulse anytime... As for dbus, I await the day when I don't need it. But that day may take a very long time to come.
Also don't like DE's much anymore as an edit:
Even Lumina Desktop, as much as I think its good, I prefer i3-wm straight up.
#971 Re: Off-topic » Greetings from New Member » 2021-01-08 17:25:46
Welcome to the forum! FYI . . . next time try Torvalds . . . Murdoch shouldn't have worked.
This wit... hehe...
I missed seeing it on here.
Always amusing...
I have a joke for you all.. its dated now, but...
Why use debian jessie, when you could upgrade, I mean what a stretch!
#972 Re: Off-topic » (privacy) surveillance state? » 2021-01-04 21:56:09
Is the pandemic being used to create a surveillance state?
Say what you will about russel brand, this video is on point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMFylHz8RF4
The pandemic has taken surveillance of workers to the next level – but with existing data showing that working from home already achieved better productivity, could there be other motives?
He is not the type of person, I agree with on most things, matter of fact, I kind of dislike him for his private life issues...
That all being said, I don't put it past our government to be doing many terrible things behind our back. They have no sympathy, no limit to how low they will go,
They are basically an abyss of moral decay. At least as far as the NSA part goes... They want to watch people every given second of every given hour of every given day times 1000. That is why they continually push for all this surveillance crap... that and, they want to watch their citizens so they know who is with them in their evil plots and who isnt. They are effectively violating the constitution in almost every way but the 2nd amendment. Regardless of who supports who, both sides are guilty of supporting the NSA... with exceptions being the progressives... aka, they have less people in power, or this crap would have been cancelled by now...
The supreme court even said the "patriot act" is unconstitutional... and yet they still do it.
Long story short, our government's thought process is justice be damned.
We want power, we want... etc...
It's kind of sad.
Their power is not going to save them when they are about to die or in the abyss of fire.
Anywho, I am stunned Russel even cares about this issue. It is startling that he even has a conscience. It is refreshing, like tom cruise going on a rant about people violating social distancing even if he did it for the wrong reasons.
Better than our lame duck.
Well actually, don't know where your from, but yeah... usa is a crazy place right now. 
#973 Re: Off-topic » Info » AppImage security and alternatives » 2021-01-03 12:38:21
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:ToxicExMachina wrote:Flatpak is also SystemD-exclusive package manager.
Nope: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?n … ranch=edge
And it's spelled "systemd" FFS...
why does this trigger you so?
When people spell it that way it always makes me think of that manga/anime cartoon initial D
I don't get that either, let's just refer to systemd or system-d as system dumb from now on. Since it is so buggy and crappy...
#974 Re: Other Issues » Copy Speed?? » 2021-01-02 21:55:50
I have had this problem and continue to have this problem on my thinkpad x200 librebooted device with Hyperbola as well as devuan, etc...
This I believe might be a hardware issue, I don't know your hardware, but I begin to wonder if it is related to usb 3.0 not being used. You see, usb 3.0 at one point requires some unsafe blob which is a security issue and if you enabled it, you run the risk of a security problem. I don't know if that has changed since I read about usb 3.0 a while back, it is entirely possible... but that would be my guess, your not using usb 3.0 on linux. If someone else wants to chime in, by all means, do so.
But yeah, I think it has to do with Hardware, not software... when I say that it may have to do with hardware I mean compatibility with linux btw...
cheers!
#975 Re: Freedom Hacks » Admin, please delete. » 2020-12-28 23:18:43
OalSkuul wrote:Admin, please delete.
That is very selfish behaviour, threads on these boards are supposed to be a community resource. If you're upset because I accused you of hijacking the other thread then stop being such a baby and grow some thicker skin.
--crickets chirp--
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