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#901 Re: Devuan » As Debian 11 moves closer to Devuan. Is there any reason to stay on De » 2021-02-24 16:43:49

Beginning of February I downloaded a current Bullseye netinstall image and installed it in VBox. Can't remember that I got an init choice like in Devuan.

rolfie

#902 Re: Installation » recommented init system » 2021-02-24 16:39:25

Started off with sysvinit under ASCII some years ago, then experimented with openrc in VBox and finally installed an AMD470/Ryzen 2700X with openrc / ASCII. Motivation: refer to HOAS comment in the previous post.

Meanwhile all my active PCs at home have moved to openrc/Beowulf. With my kind of operation (office and internet, a nfs fileserver in the background) I have no issues found.

Currently I am investigating runit/Chimaera in VBox.

I can only encourage you to try openrc.

rolfie

#904 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » WiFi, and Sixpair » 2021-02-20 21:04:28

LizziAS wrote:

sudo apt -t beowulf-backports install linux-image-amd64

Should also work and provide automatic kernel updates.

#905 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » WiFi, and Sixpair » 2021-02-20 21:01:49

Kernel:

apt list linux-image-5*
apt install linux-image-5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64

Firmware:

apt list firmware-linux-nonfree* -a
apt -t beowulf-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree

#907 Re: Other Issues » apt thinks its only sources are the installation CD/DVD » 2021-02-17 21:07:41

MysticLord wrote:
rolfie wrote:

The main repo is missing.

http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free 

Consider if you need to complie packages. If not, disable the deb-src lines.

What does non-free mean in this context? Licenses other than GPL, MIT, and their kin?

Have a read: https://www.debian.org/intro/free.en.html

non-free means code that is propriatry. Unfortunately you will need non-free stuff to get your tg3 working.

Same with me and my AMD GPUs.

rolfie

#908 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to get a working jessie sources.list » 2021-02-17 19:26:54

Actually your post is off topic, you would have better written a new post.

Read https://www.devuan.org/os/packages

rolfie

#909 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is there a general problem with user settings persistence in 3.1,mate? » 2021-02-17 19:19:57

The problem is also present in a fresh install based on Beowulf 3.0.0 netinstall in VBox. Same procedure used as for the 3.1.0 install, only difference is runit on 3.1.0 and openrc on 3.0.0.

I guess there must be a bug somewhere in Mate. Strangely enough my workstation is fine.

rolfie

#910 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is there a general problem with user settings persistence in 3.1,mate? » 2021-02-17 16:16:03

You are missing a quote before the print command. Use copy/paste.

rolfie

#911 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is there a general problem with user settings persistence in 3.1,mate? » 2021-02-17 15:41:11

Just done a Mate install from 3.1 in VBox, can confirm that that installation forgets the picture from the home folder.

rolfie

#912 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is there a general problem with user settings persistence in 3.1,mate? » 2021-02-17 14:32:17

There should be no difference in the Mate desktop if I update an older 3.0 install or do a fresh install from 3.1 when using the same init.

#913 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Is there a general problem with user settings persistence in 3.1,mate? » 2021-02-17 14:28:29

Beowulf 3.0 install with Mate dated June 2020, amd64 with backports kernel 5.9, up to date:

Just added a picture from my home folder as background: survives changing the background and a reboot.

rolfie

#914 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Genuine question regarding devuan, » 2021-02-17 13:37:01

Here is an example regarding ASCII with Mate desktop: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1952

Maybe this helps.

rolfie

#915 Re: Other Issues » apt thinks its only sources are the installation CD/DVD » 2021-02-17 11:39:30

MysticLord wrote:
cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# 

# deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (beowulf) amd64 - desktop 20200526]/ beowulf contrib main non-free

# deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (beowulf) amd64 - desktop 20200526]/ beowulf contrib main non-free

# A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
# are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
# for your mirror of choice.
#
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main

# beowulf-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
# are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
# for your mirror of choice.
#
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates main

1. Got any other sources I should use (mirrors, for instance), and if so can you tell me why (or point me towards something that will tell me what and why)?

The main repo is missing.

http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free 

Consider if you need to complie packages. If not, disable the deb-src lines.

MysticLord wrote:

2. Got anything to read RE mirrors and how that helps me or Devuan in general?

Scan through https://www.devuan.org/. There is a lot of useful information.

MysticLord wrote:

During the upgrade (which was blessedly fast and simple compared to Windows 10), I noticed this:

/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-9-amd64
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso.bin for module tg3
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3

A search indicates it could prevent network cards from working after reboot. If that's an issue, the same says that I need to add non-free to my sources.
https://thespecter.net/blog/technology/ … odule-tg3/

Going back to the link rolfie posted:

Note that all software shipped with Devuan in the main component is free software. But if needed, non-free software is also available. Just add the non-free and contrib components to the appropriate line(s) in /etc/apt/sources.list like this:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main non-free contrib

Is there any way to specify that I only want certain software from a specific source? I do a lot of emulation and rom-hacking stuff, and the authors of programs for such love to require the latest stable versions for compilation.

Enabling contrib non-free does not mean everything in there is installed automatically. You have to install packages from non-free explicitely to have them available. Once they are installed they are maintained automatically. Example:

apt install firmware-linux-nonfree

You may also install non-free packages, and then disable the non-free section in the sources.list again. Your choice. But then the stuff is no more updated.

MysticLord wrote:

How would I add package sources from debian while restricting it to the subsets that don't require things that are forbidden in devuan?

This is not recommended at all.

MysticLord wrote:

Where can I see the list of packages that are forbidden?

Look for "Banned packages" on the Devuan web page.

rolfie

#916 Re: Installation » EFI mode in Beowulf point release working? » 2021-02-16 19:59:52

I am directly booting the iso into the VM. Beowulf 3.1.0 with runit is up and running on cli level in the VM now.

#917 Re: Installation » EFI mode in Beowulf point release working? » 2021-02-16 19:46:27

Found a solution. When playing around with various isos I had available I realised that the latest Bullseye download did boot in efi mode, whilst all Devuan isos didn't. Looked at the difference, and found that the Debian stuff has an EFI folder in the iso.

Extracted the 3.1.0 iso, added the EFI folder from Bullseye, and burnt it with brasero to a new iso. That now boots into VBox.

Is that something to consider for Devuan too?

rolfie

#918 Re: Installation » EFI mode in Beowulf point release working? » 2021-02-16 17:26:17

I know the effect that most distros end up in the efi shell after being switched off once. And I know the workarounds. Also I would claim VBox has improved the efi support a bit recently, its not only Arch which is starting automatically now. Or it may be related to the fact that I created a file in the efi shell that simulates the nvram (can't remember the name out of the top of my head, need to look it up).

In my case I even can't get the installer iso to boot in efi mode. I searched through FS0: but couldn't find any grubx64.efi or any efi file. Which file starts the installer in efi mode?

rolfie

Edit: on a bootable Beowulf memory stick that I think was created from the 3.0.0 DVD an EFI directory is present containing a BOOTX64.efi, which I do not find in FS0:, BLK1: or BLK2:.

#919 Installation » EFI mode in Beowulf point release working? » 2021-02-16 16:55:22

rolfie
Replies: 6

Downloaded the netinstall and the server isos to play a bit with the runit setup in a VBox VM.

Both boot up fine when in BIOS mode, with the efi setup I end up in the efi shell. This also happens with the 3.0.0 netinstall image.

I am running 6.1.18 on Beowulf/Mate. Another install a few days ago worked in efi mode.

Is there something wrong with the isos or is my VBox suddenly screwed? How can I start the iso manually from the efi shell?

rolfie

#921 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Genuine question regarding devuan, » 2021-02-16 13:21:58

Most likely a matter of user rights and policies. Maybe related to elogind?

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

rolfie

#922 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release » 2021-02-16 13:18:03

The path issue with su is not a Devuan topic but coming down from the Debian side of things. Get used to this. Also there are hints in the Release Notes how to handle the issue on your own.

Rolfie

#923 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » sources.list virtualbox beowulf » 2021-02-02 18:32:59

Alternative solution:
download VBox directly from Oracle including the extension pack, copy the Buster .deb file to /tmp and install it with dpkg -i.

rolfie

#925 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] Mate Desktop » 2021-01-26 15:03:27

Too bad, I am stuck here. You definitely need the elogind versions of these packages for mate desktop to work correctly.

That command did the job for me a while ago. Maybe one of the real Linux gurus can help.

Sorry that I could not help to fix this, rolfie

Edith: That problem with consolekit/elogind came up with ASCII, finally found the original post about that problem: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1952

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