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#826 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-18 20:13:27
zapper wrote:Secure boot is a misnomer, I prefer hazardous boot personally.
Yes, the microsoft loves linux thing is yet another deception that should have been obvious to most people, even linus torvaldo should see through the bs.
Also, yes capitalism is a poison, clarifying to say out of balance. Denialism is also a problem, which seems to prevent people from dealing with issues, including climate change.
I roll my eyes at all the people who think capitalism is awesome and pure and perfect...
No balance, no hope.
Aka, no system by itself works, including capitalism...
The problem here is that microsoft is an effective monopoly. Capitalism works well if you have a choice of product to buy, eg cars. But most people have to buy the OS with most software written for it, and most software is written for the OS with most users. So just because microsoft got there first they won control of the desktop. Ditto Intel nearly control the hardware market, though AMD do provide some competition.
WSL is intended to help them keep control by allowing people who need software only available on Linux to stay on windoze.
Nothing but US government intervention could break microsoft's monopoly (eg by requiring that the source code for any OS be made publicly available). And don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
It's a similar story with facebook (most people use it because most of their friends use it). And google etc.
Chris
My point was that we need a blend of ideas from different government types to make a good government.
Capitalism seems like a good idea by itself, until you consider that businesses will do whatever makes them the most money and gives them the most control.
But I agree with your post, about WSL's purpose, as well as the one about facebook.
As for the government intervention thing,
I think that could backfire anyways due to the % of the population that is good at manipulating things, aka manipulating people. They would probably try to get people fired up to reverse it to the opposite end, aka, everything is proprietary... which would be very frightening to have happen.
Although, I think there are a few problems: problem 1: is you cannot modify your own Hardware, to remove the evil restrictions such as hazardous boot which some call, secure boot. Though that is not an accurate description, quite the opposite... and other bios issues too.
Problem 2: you should be able to change the bios to your liking without worrying about all rights reserved copyright evil and people being allowed to arrest you for doing such. Even if they don't give you the specs, you should be able to study them to change it and not need to do some insane reverse engineering effort just to fix the problems they created and without anyone being able to retaliate against you/sue/have you arrested.
There might be a problem 3, but I think these two cover it nicely.
So yeah...
#827 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-18 05:42:33
Secure boot is a misnomer, I prefer hazardous boot personally.
Yes, the microsoft loves linux thing is yet another deception that should have been obvious to most people, even linus torvaldo should see through the bs.
Also, yes capitalism is a poison, clarifying to say out of balance. Denialism is also a problem, which seems to prevent people from dealing with issues, including climate change.
I roll my eyes at all the people who think capitalism is awesome and pure and perfect...
No balance, no hope.
Aka, no system by itself works, including capitalism...
#828 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Anyone with a 386 willing to satisfy a curiosity for me? » 2021-07-18 02:42:01
zapper wrote:Although if all else fails, try dosbox-x maybe? idk...
The idea here in this post is to get results using real hardware so there is an accurate baseline for performance characteristics.
I do have results from various emulators, but these results show that the emulators aren't entirely accurate (PCem Pentium 233MMX is 30% faster than my real Pentium 233MMX machine), so I'd like to get some accurate results from real hardware. Incidentally, DOSBox and DOSBox-X performance is identical when set to the same cycles, regardless of any core/cpu related setting available in DOSBox-x, so it's not worth the hassle of compiling/using DOSBox-x for this use case.
steve_v wrote:No 386 unfortunately, the oldest operational machine I have is an IBM PC 330 100-DX4 (AKA 6571-W5L).
Intel 486 DX4-100, 256k L2 (WT), 48MB 70ns FPM RAM, CL-GD5430 video (via VLB-PCI bridge).
I have a DX2-66 CPU I could drop in it for some extra slowness, and I could probably try underclocking it, if the IBM CrippleBIOS(TM) will let me of course.It's running the latest FreeDOS, which I'm not overly keen to uproot, and the drive is a) FAT32 formatted, and b) a complete bastard to get at, so if you want such a data point you'll have to point me at a source for this QBasic whatsit. I was a Pascal nerd back when, so I never had need or desire to go near it.
That's a nice machine! Technically my first PC was a hand-me-down 486DX4 100 clone that I used for a bit in 1998. Getting it running taught me how to remove a Master Boot Sector virus, shortly after learning what a boot sector was!
If you're able to down clock you 486 to 33MHz that would be great, but the results at 66MHz or 100MHz would be excellent as well, because I could compare them to my results from emulated systems (using PCem version 17). Also, from what I have seen through emulated system, a 486DX2/66 ends up being exactly twice as fast in the benchmark as a 486DX33, so halving the results on a real 486DX2/66 should be an accurate representation of a 486DX33.
As far as running the software goes, Qbasic is included in the DOS 6.22 boot disk available here,
https://www.allbootdisks.com/download/dos.html
So it's possible to you write that image to a floppy and boot your computer using it rather than FreeDOS. If you copy my BENCHES.BAS file onto the floppy disk, you can run it like so
qbasic /run benches.bas
The results can be saved to a text file, results.text. To exit Qbasic, press Alt to open the menu, then arrow down the File menu and select Exit.
Alternately, you could download QBasic 1.1 from qbasic.net here,
https://www.qbasic.net/en/qbasic-downlo … preter.htm
and add it to your FreeDOS installation, as it's 100% compatible with FreeDOS.
I sincerely appreciate your time and consideration! Please don't feel obligated to help, especially if it means futzing with your hardware to do so. My burning curiosity is not that important.
Point taken, you raised a good point, emulation would ruin the effect. heh...
I would expect dosbox to be faster though. 
#829 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-18 02:34:11
OK everybody . . . please just take a deep breath . . .
Yeah... I did that after I replied...
That being said... this thread has run its course for me...
for the most part anyways....
I might make more replies, but I probably will do it in a more limited fashion...
only wish I had done so sooner....
I should've looked inward before I replied to him... aka, the 2-3 replies before this one. Or more even...
Feel free to laugh, but I feel so silly...
oh well...
But yeah, brocashelm, you don't have to leave.
You are right, I should have heeded my own advice...
Ironic, but it happens... 
#830 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-16 14:44:47
Moderators, feel free to delete all the posts I've made including the replies to them. I will be stepping out gracefully from this forum. Cheers.
I wasn't going to respond, to this thread again, but you don't have to quit the forums.
I mean... just relax, I was only trying to help you.
That being said, if you want to leave, that is your call.
Peace man... hope things go better for you in the future regardless, no hard feelings.
#831 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-16 14:30:49
Steve, my bad lol, I was bit too over the top yesterday, I am sure.
That being said, I agree it should be closed too.
Also, sometimes I try to help people who don't want help...
Anyways, last time I will reply here, its going nowhere good anyways.
#832 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-16 03:16:19
I think, if I remember right, you have only bought the right to use MS Windows, a kind of lease, you don't own it outright - which was another reason for using Linux for me.
I would prefer to use totally open software & hardware, but it won't happen, because companies spend billions to bring new products to market, to stay ahead of their competitors.
Indeed, I wish all hardware had to be mandatorily be under free licenses only. Aka, fully open source ones. Whether permissive or copyleft.
That being said, I doubt that will come for a while if ever. And if it does happen, it will take a huge situation and possibly 500+ years to happen.
Basically, not in our future probably...
#833 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-16 03:12:09
zapper wrote:If your laughing at it, its because you are antisocial probably... or you don't know the news of sneedacity and their 4chan bs trying to intimidate cookie engineer.
Yup, and I'm laughing at it more and more with each passing day. I only feel sorry for the gullible fools who buy into outright lies and deception.
zapper wrote:Besides, you do realize that the trolls at sneedacity threatened cookie engineer and his family right?
There is no evidence of this, as I said already. Do you know what schizophrenia is? He could also be staging all this "drama" all along. Anyone can write numbers on sticky notes and make a house look like there was a murder. I've seen this time and time again on the Internet. Nothing changes.
zapper wrote:Yeah... I would stop for that reason above alone.
Feel free to. As for myself, I'll keep calling a spade a spade. Sneedacity has barely been around for two weeks and is already proving to be the best thing since sliced bread. Even the Audacium developers admitted in an IRC conversation to borrowing code from Sneedacity for a commit. If Sneedacity wasn't a serious project, then why even acknowledge their existence? That's how I know Sneedacity is the true winner. Give it up.
zapper wrote:EDIT: After seeing the commens you just posted, I realize I might have been right the first time.
Well, with a signature like that, I'm surprised you don't spend more time on the Antix forums. That's more your crowd, I reckon. Devuan has no politics (left or right).
You really shouldn't assume wrongdoing on the victims part without actual evidence... which most users here seem to think is against him.
I really hope I am wrong about you, but usually I see this from far right fringe people, this level of perceived sociopathic behavior.
I hope I am misunderstanding who you are, that being said... you look very suspiciously maligant. I am going to hope I am wrong though...
As for Antix... I don't know much about AntiX or their forums.
That all being said, please don't assume anything about him without knowing the whole story. Perhaps I don't know the whole story, but 4chan has been part of a lot of harrassment type situations, so try not to assume people are making a scene as your first go to belief when it involves 4chan on the other end.
Last thought though will be this:
Please open your eyes, lest you lose your way any furher.
Such arrogance is dangerous...
I'll save you a trip down my memory lane and say, less than a year ago, I discovered my pride problem... I am working on it more than I ever have before... Be careful, lest, pride sneak up on you too...
Also, no one likes a boastful fool. I am sure you are better than that. Given all people are created by the Lord.
Pride is a form of boastfulness btw...
Confidence = Good
Pride = overconfidence thus bad...
Anyways, hope you find peace from the same pride I have been fighting for a long time.
#834 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-14 02:19:01
Audacity has been officially forked. Its new name is Sneedacity (DEB builds here).
I'm also laughing my ass off at that "Cookie Engineer" kook crying over a poll (because of the name being picked). Clown World at it again.
If your laughing at it, its because you are antisocial probably... or you don't know the news of sneedacity and their 4chan bs trying to intimidate cookie engineer.
Besides, you do realize that the trolls at sneedacity threatened cookie engineer and his family right?
...
Yeah... I would stop for that reason above alone.
EDIT: After seeing the commens you just posted, I realize I might have been right the first time.
...
#835 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-14 02:14:31
No not OpenBSD's thinking, the actual definition which goes back more than a few decades:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_large_object
I don't place much faith in belief systems surrounding GNU/FSF. Device firmware is just a fact of life - some implementations are acceptable others are bad, some more are utter crap. But unless you have the money and resources to develop your own hardware, we're stuck with x86. I think that situation is positively win, win for Microsoft. Linux and 'BSD users stranded on old hardware, while it continues this latest "embrace" phase.
While we're talking "beliefs" I have the firm conviction that the new Microsoft is far more dangerous to free software than the old.
MS have been working on WSL/WSL2, Azure, etc for many years. All of those products are about /not/ running a Linux OS on bare metal but on proprietary software owned ad controlled by Microsoft. Its takeover of the github platform and other acquisitions are all part of the same strategy.
Hardware is "intellectual property". To maintain a competitive advantage there are "trade secrets". The hardware you use was developed by corporations who seek to profit from it
"All rights reserved" refers to copyright - it has nothing to do with software licensing.
The MIT license would not stop e.g. Intel from taking Nvidia's code, which they have spent billions and decades of research on, and just incorporating it in their own products - decreasing Nvidia's advantage in that market and share value. tl;dr - they won't do that.
I don't doubt that corporations won't stop using all rights reserved, my point, is that copyright license in itself, is pure evil.
Because it allows DRM galore to be put into stuff, and making a patch to remove it, requires heavy reverse engineering under such tough conditions, that its nearly impossible to do what is needed to be done.
FSF/GNU you are however right about, although I say this, because they don't go nearly far enough on actual freedom issues, like systemd, dbus, networkmanager, pulseaudio, pipewire, etc...
aka, some software that is being developed by people for linux, is meant to break freedom and force adoption by breaking backwards compatibility. FSF/GNU doesn't seem to understand this is a huge threat.
As for x86, I think you are very wrong about the future, I think Risc-V will one day be the main however, there is one question, that remains unknown, how much of it will be, non blobbed Risc-V implementations... again, the actual definition, including non-free firmware.
But yeah, non-free firmware being a fact of life is total hogwash.
It is unreasonable for corporations to have such unjust power to be allowed to put backdoors in all their software...
Anyways, that's my final thought. so... yeah.
#836 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Anyone with a 386 willing to satisfy a curiosity for me? » 2021-07-13 06:50:05
I've been puttering with QBasic 1.1 (comes with DOS 5+) over the last year and to make a long story short, I'm looking for someone to run the following program on a computer that has real 386DX 33MHz CPU, so that I can compare the results to how it runs in DOSBox.
The program is here,
https://github.com/Tatwi/QBasic/blob/ma … ENCHES.BAS
and the description is here,
https://github.com/Tatwi/QBasic/tree/master/BENCHES
Part of the long story is included in the description, if you're interested.
Other CPUs I'd like to get data for are,
- Intel 386DX 16MHz
- AMD 386 40MHz
- Intel 486SX 25MHz
- Intel 486DX 33MHz
- Any Cyrix/IBM CPU in this age/speed range.Why?
OCD and I can't afford to buy an old PC just to answer this question, basically. But mostly OCD.
Thanks!
I probably could, if I had a device that old, but I don't really know if I do... though. So... yeah...
Someone may be able to answer you, but I don't know...
Although if all else fails, try dosbox-x maybe? idk...
#837 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-13 06:46:10
BLOBs are not the same as device firmware. The latter is part of most devices, either residing the device's NVRAM or as a firmware image which is loaded via the device driver/firmware loader.
Far from being unnecessary, they are actually the device's own OS. In that they are code which runs on the device itself and not any kind of x86 OS binary.
Some firmware is "open source", some is proprietary. Despite contributing driver code the Linux graphics stack, Intel and AMD graphics tech is every bit as proprietary as Nvidia - with closed source firmware and hardware. They won't release code which could threaten their commercial interests.
Camtaf, you're correct in that modern CPU's actually use a firmware layer called microcode, which runs on the "hardwired" CPU. Microcode makes it possible, well most of time, for the vendor to "patch" the CPU. There are also "out of band" processors running on modern CPU's, running a small OS - e.g. the Intel Management Engine.
The IME has been deliberately designed to prevent the end user disabling it. Along with UEFI and Secureboot, all of this tech equates to less freedom, privacy and security for end users.
As headstick has said, raspberry pi and its Broadcom chips, is no escape - neither is in fact ARM, if/when Nvidia buy them out.
The raspberry pi people already made their intentions plain in the PR disaster regarding the vscode Microsoft repository. But if you're already in bed with Broadcom, signed NDAs and developing devices loaded with proprietary firmware, courting Microsoft is not such a big deal.
I think you misunderstood my position, anything non-free including firmware that has potential insecurities, or backdoors, is a blob to me. You are thinking of OpenBSD's thinking on blobs, but that isn't the FSF/GNU or even my belief.
Also, their commerical interests are bullshit. I know they couldn't care less, but I in fact do care, thus I will never use anything with an intel me equivelant enabled at all, as long as I can.
I say their commercial interests are bs, though, because the way they accomplish their goals is just... phenomenally messed up.
Its not the fact that the hardware isn't open source that is the ONLY problem, its actually the fact that it is laden with pointless DRM that requires non-free firmware to run, for, things like wifi, graphics and sound even...
I knew microsoft, apple, google were bad, but I didn't know raspberrypi people were bad also...
smh...
If all hardware was under at least an mit license instead of that absurdly corrupt all rights reserved license, that would be a step in the right direction.
But nope, alas... that will probably never happen for most mainstream hardware. Greed/Power is just too enticing for many of these big corporations.
I guess to end this thought, all hardware should have optionally free licenses. Trademarks of course are a different matter as long as they don't go the road of mozilla, but yeah...
Anyways, rant done... 
#838 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-12 03:44:24
@Camtaf: Some people take issue with "binary blobs" in Linux. They feel "Open Source" isn't "open" if there's a binary blob (proprietary code) on their system. That's fine, it's their prerogative. Others have a more pragmatic stance, accepting that these blobs are necessary if certain vendors (mainly nVidia, but also the RPi/Broadcom chips) have their products work on Linux.
Blobs, are completely stupid to even require. Usually its just an excuse to force backdoors down people throats.
Smh...
btw, Nvidia and Broadcom can suck it if that's there way of doing things.
I will never, ever use their products unless I have no choice, and more importantly, I will never buy or ask for their products most likely either.
That being said, blobs are not an issue to me, if it can be confirmed they do nothing shady. But that is very unlikely usually...
Mnt Reform being one example of this. Libreboot/Coreboot + Me cleaner being similar albeit not nearly as good.
#839 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-12 03:39:49
There will come a time when these abominations will be the only older hardware available. Many of us will not live long enough to see that shift but it will eventually happen . . .
That is not a good sign to hear...
I really, really hope that this doesn't happen till the next millenium or never.
Such things are pure evil.
Unless Risc-V takes shape in the future... well you know.
That all being said, I recently learned that gen 5 processors and onward require blobs even for their sound! that's just plain bullshit.
It's bad enough that gen 5 processors have boot guard and blob for the graphics, but sound too now? lame...
#840 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-06 22:57:15
Audacity is being forked, I believe, so no worries.
That all being said, I heard about this problem, and I think debian should abandon current audacity in favor of a fork.
#841 Re: Devuan » Windows 11 will _enforce_ Secure Boot » 2021-07-06 22:54:41
I'm fine as long as I can find refurbished machines.
Agreed, but even better than that, would be coreboot + me cleaner... 
I got some computers with such stuff on it. I will take ivy bridge issues or over the current and I use this sarcastically, "latest and the greatest"
Because these two things do not agree for me combined. Aka, Latest = worst... at this time anyways...
As long as Risc-V isn't where it needs to be, I will stick with what I have for most things.
Starfive gives me some hope though. It looks like it may be closer to sandy bridge, but oh well...
It is still open source though completely...
When the time is right, I will still probably use it.
Pocket Mnt Reform is coming! Potentially, in two years I bet!
#842 Other Issues » Suspend doesn't work on thinkpad x230 in some situations... » 2021-06-23 20:41:12
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I press the fn button + f4 and in my other comps, it immediately goes to sleep.
Well... it doesn't seem to do this in devuan beowulf on my x230*. I wonder if this problem happens in devuan chimaera...
#843 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Microphone key not working on XFCE » 2021-06-23 20:38:38
Hello, I have some problems trying to mute the microphone with the keyboard, the key doesn't work on XFCE; however, if I use other distro or DE the key works well. Any advice with this situation?
Thank you.
Hmm... I had this problem once, every time I poweroff my devuan system and power it back on, its enabled all over again.
On an unrelated note, I can't use the FN F4 key combination to make devuan go into suspend mode. I may make a separate issue for that, although...
its odd I am on beowulf, a stable release and it does this...
XFCE might be the problem for you, or it could be another mess that debian is allowing redhat to make.
hard to say...
#844 Re: Documentation » Some security configuration after installation » 2021-06-22 12:36:42
zapper wrote:dice wrote:You must be bored replying to old threads zapper.
Somewhat, lol.
But its also early where I am and its raining alot, so I won't be going anywhere today lol.
Also, the thread started in June man... just sayin. heh.
It's not like I necroed a three year old thread, now thats being bored! hehe...
Well its getting old and what you posted has no relevance to the thread so now we are just messing up the OP's thread.
Heres an idea, why dont you delete your posts and when you finish ill delete mine.
I sent you a pm, as to what I think we should do...
If golinux sees this thread, I hope it will be locked.
My final reply btw... from here on out, pm me.
#845 Re: Documentation » Some security configuration after installation » 2021-06-22 12:29:05
You must be bored replying to old threads zapper.
Somewhat, lol.
But its also early where I am and its raining alot, so I won't be going anywhere today lol.
Also, the thread started in June man... just sayin. heh.
It's not like I necroed a three year old thread, now thats being bored! hehe...
#846 Re: Documentation » Some security configuration after installation » 2021-06-22 12:27:03
zapper wrote:dice wrote:You missed a step.
always.....
openbsd signify would be a nice addition for this security measure.
I think the "You missed a step
always......"
Is what turned off Meridian...
Just a heads up.
Not judging, just sayin, you came across as prideful, even if you aren't in actuality.
prideful ? what a load of bollocks.
"I always" is what i should have posted so as not turn off persons on the internet.
That was just how I saw it... you can choose to take my advice or not.
It's ultimately your choice what you wish to believe.
That being said, I have to read what bollocks even means...
EDIT: It was not even close to my intention to say things you considered rubbish. But yeah, like I said above...
It is your choice what you want to believe...
#847 Re: ARM Builds » Is a Devuan build for the new Apple M1 chip possible? » 2021-06-22 12:25:07
Micronaut wrote:Such intense Apple hate... Are they really any worse than Intel?
Fuck yes. Intel have contributed a huge amount to Linux, Apple are a bunch of twats.
I would say that what you just said here, is too kind to apple, they are much worse than that...
They are like google, only less dangerous.
I say less dangerous, because their changes dont have any effect on other hardware other than apple approved hardware.
Thus, Google is still 2x worse at least due to their stuff getting engrained in so many things.
Although Redhat is just as bad as Apple due to their sneaky methods of forcing systemd and other crap down peoples' throats.
Just my two cents.
#848 Re: Off-topic » Today I Learned » 2021-06-22 12:15:00
zapper wrote:dice wrote:Good question, i was thinking the same. Perhaps the 64 has some mods? I highly doubt a computer from 1982 would be able to run devuan beowulf, but i would be happy to be proven wrong.
Wait 64mb of ram? you say? That seems a bit unlikely, I mean I could understand 32mb... and maybe jwm if its 32 bit and be using something like console-tdm to start it, if you turn off certain services... *cough* dbus *cough*
Even then, 32mb seems like a stretch, but yeah, 64K sounds insanely low to be able to run devuan...
You'd have a better chance of using OpenBSD for something that small...
Just sayin...
I would also love to be proven wrong...
Not just the 64K of RAM, either. When was the kernel ported to 8-bit 6502 (or 6509 - whatever variant they used)? Never.
Ah, lots of problems then! Well, I wonder though, if any BSD's support 8 bit still...
OpenBSD supposedly could, but it probably has very slow support I imagine...
If it does at all.
Looks like it doesn't at the moment...
https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html
Although it does support this:
luna88k
Dunno about NetBSD though. That might lol.
Yep it does:
#849 Re: Devuan » Meet Chimaera's deepsea theme » 2021-06-22 12:13:11
zapper wrote:golinux wrote:They don't have a fixed schedule. They have a "when it's ready" schedule as does Devuan.
They are.
Confirmation that it works or if not what the problem is would be helpful and appreciated.
Hmm, I don't usually use alphas, on my system...
I usually wait till beta to actually consider using it.
Unless I have a virtual machine of it, which isn't a bad idea.
I don't know what I will do, given my current focus, which is more or less Hyperbola, but its a thought to consider.
The installer iso's are alpha, not the distro. Chimaera, based on Debian Bullseye (which is almost ready to be released), is well tested. I've been using it without issues for months now.
That would make sense if its going to be releaesed in July, good news though!
#850 Re: Documentation » Some security configuration after installation » 2021-06-21 18:00:37
You missed a step.
always.....
openbsd signify would be a nice addition for this security measure.
I think the "You missed a step
always......"
Is what turned off Meridian...
Just a heads up.
Not judging, just sayin, you came across as prideful, even if you aren't in actuality.
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