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#801 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-22 19:05:18

neilgunton wrote:

How long before they work out ways to exclude Devuan from being able to decouple systemd? I'm sure it's in the works.

That may end up depending on how many elves there are in the workshop. Devuan has been a labor of love for many of us but we are a small team that could use more hands on deck. Sadly folks love to USE Devuan but not many donate their time and talent(s) to help create it so the bus factor looms. We need redundancy and a new generation of creatives to keep Devuan on track. Care to dive in?

#802 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-22 18:38:17

neilgunton wrote:
golinux wrote:

OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date: Tue Aug 12 2014 - 15:35:49 EST
https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/ker … 02496.html

Systemd: The Biggest Fallacies by Jude C. Nelson
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/186/

General Resolution: init system coupling
https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003

Combatting revisionist history
2015-02-25 20:23
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=120652

Lots of good stuff in these links, thanks very much! One line that jumped out at me in the final article, "there was no debate". Very interesting how these things can happen, they creep in and before you know it, it's a fait accompli. Too late to do anything about it now! Oh well! Kind of reminds me of some other things that have happened more recently in the political realm, but we won't go into all that.

Having lived through it, I can testify that it was indeed the ugly, farcical manipulation that dasein analyzes so eloquently. Some of those speaking out were banned from the Debian developers mailing list. I got a warning. There was some debate on the Debian forum at the time but systemd discussions are now not even allowed afaik. When IBM bought Red Hat, everything started to come into focus, then Poettering moved to MS and then, fait accompli, everything became perfectly clear.

#803 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-22 13:27:16

OT: Open letter to the Linux World
Date: Tue Aug 12 2014 - 15:35:49 EST
https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/ker … 02496.html

Systemd: The Biggest Fallacies by Jude C. Nelson
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/186/

General Resolution: init system coupling
https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003

Combatting revisionist history
2015-02-25 20:23
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=120652

#804 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Theme request » 2023-08-20 19:50:47

DUH! So much for my reading skills! It's been a busy morning . . .

The scroll wheel works for me to zoom.

Sorry for the noise.

#805 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Theme request » 2023-08-20 17:54:25

[Nonsense deleted]

If you find a way to fix it, do share with the community. Thanks.

#806 Re: Devuan » Meet the Daedalus sapphire theme » 2023-08-20 01:16:50

vrgovinda wrote:

Question: How to make the grub and theming reflect Daedalus instead of Chimaera

You'll need to switch to the Clearlooks-Phenix-Sapphire theme in "Appearance" or manually from /usr/share/themes/ and also select it in the "Window Manager" options. There may be other parts in /usr/share/themes/.  grub-styling is in /usr/share/desktop-base/. It is the default in Daedalus (or should be). How it's set up is a mystery to me but maybe fsmithred can jump in to sort things more clearly. Nice to hear that some folks really like Sapphire. Thank you!

[EDIT] You can also get all the pieces HERE.

#807 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 21:44:43

OK. I broke down and repositioned the logo. It was a quick and dirty job and I had to boot my old Jessie to do it. Ugh!

Anyway, while IMO it is an improvement, the font sizing relative to the logo is not harmonious. Would probably look better centered between the V and A with both ends at the apex of those to letters that were created especially for this logo. I leave that task to those of you who can speak machine better than I. Here you go:

https://transfer.sh/n5xgImfWwX/powered_by_devuan-R.png

#808 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus, seatd, can’t have multiple X sessions » 2023-08-19 15:47:23

semil wrote:

If this forum is even capable of moving topics, that is.

Yes. If appropriate.

#809 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 15:41:36

@boughtonp & alexkemp . . . thanks for working on a way to create a "Powered by Devuan" icon that Devuan can be proud of! I would join the technical fray but as I age the effort of dealing with the machine is overwhelming . . . wink I can help to optimize the layout verbally though.  smile

Black and white is fine as the colors have always changed with each release. And kiss. No borders or drop shadows. We are minimalists in this camp!! wink

#810 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 12:21:42

Gregors wrote:

I think that swoosh-like 'D' should have its own space ... eh ... room around it. Quick and dirty: https://test.szaktilla.de/powered_by_devuan.png

just my 2 ct

Gregor

Still looks lopsided. Try aligning it all the way to the right side of the "N" . . .

#811 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 01:51:10

Yes. Right now it is a bit cramped and lopsided but shouldn't take much to fix it . . .

#812 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 01:43:02

Someone just sent me this: https://transfer.sh/Lr44QJPhCW/powered_by_devuan.png

Would look better to get the text off of the swoosh and jammed in the corner. I'd line it up to the RH side. Would be much more balanced. I would do it myself but . . . well after nearly nine years of doing it myself, it's time to pass the torch.

For those who might be interested, here's the history of the creation of the Devuan logo back in 2015.

#813 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 01:23:45

It's not on the site yet . . . Any chance we can have a look?

#814 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-18 23:39:58

We do not yet have a "powered by" icon but perhaps someone will create one when they see this request. FWIW all Devuan artwork is collected HERE.

#815 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] How to hide Firefox titlebar » 2023-08-18 16:40:30

Camtaf wrote:

It should disappear if you press the F11 key - press again to get it back.

I've accidentally done that a number of times. First time freaked me out!

#817 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Deadalus update error » 2023-08-18 14:14:37

Spelling! Try daedalus instead of deadalus  wink

#818 Re: Installation » Daedalus upgrade corrupts » 2023-08-17 22:09:29

You'll have to post elsewhere and provide a link.

#819 Re: Off-topic » AI on mainstream media » 2023-08-17 19:37:01

Ian Bremmer and Mustafa Suleyman on the Race to Regulate AI

08.16.2023: Ian Bremmer and Mustafa Suleyman believe international cooperation is the key to managing artificial intelligence. Together they’ve analyzed the AI power paradox for the U.S. Department for Foreign Affairs magazine, and they join Walter Isaacson to discuss why countries and technology companies need to come together on AI regulation

Popcorn anyone?

#820 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] VLC not working with [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] - a Fix » 2023-08-17 13:35:08

pequi wrote:

Nope.
Didn't have it in Chimaera either, and everything worked..

Things change from release to release. It is always a good idea to read the Release Notes and also this page to make sure that your sources.list is configured correctly.

#821 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2023-08-17 01:24:28

linwirepa . . . thank you for creating a new Devuan spin and posting it here. That being said . . . I find the Debian logo in the banner of your website inappropriate in this context. It could be confusing for some and who knows what Debian would do if they saw that association with Devuan using their logo!!

#822 Re: Devuan » Is Devuan Daedalus Changing to "Stable"? » 2023-08-16 23:56:59

Have you cleared your cache? I had to to see the changes.

#823 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Ceres upgading error to kernel 6.4 » 2023-08-16 03:00:09

Not a thing. Have never had a display issue on Devuan.

#824 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Ceres upgading error to kernel 6.4 » 2023-08-16 00:45:38

What else would you expect but instability when you play on the bleeding edge of "unstable" (sid)? What you are experiencing is the norm . . .

#825 Re: Devuan » Is Devuan Daedalus Changing to "Stable"? » 2023-08-15 18:40:21

Thanks for the kind words andyp67. I do what I can . . . smile

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