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#51 Re: Installation » Fresh install vs dist-upgrade for next release » 2025-07-24 21:28:02
I started around the same time too (redhat 5.1) and I tried to do an upgrade once around that time and it didn't go well at all. Of course, times have changed and dist-upgrades have been smooth sailing for the most part for the last 10 years. I keep house pretty well,
I started with 5.2 in June of 1999 just over twenty-six years ago. Win98SE "upgrade" left my SB AWE64 sound card only able to play MIDI files, was in the store to buy new and seen the Redhat there dirt cheap and said what the hell and gave it shot. Installed ran sndconfig and had sound that was the last for windows as a daily driver. No wonder you had problems with upgrading system at that time you were in rpm hell as it was called. Where you had to dance naked in the moonlight chanting the secret formula while sacrificing a chicken or goat to get the damn things to install. What a nightmare that junk was.
The Mandrake based on it I found soon after that at least had sensible install procedures but nothing like the Debian Woody and apt had once I moved to it in 2004 I think it was it came out. Now that has been nothing but a real pleasure in the twenty plus years I have used it. But then again I am sensible with my machines I learned way back then backups, backups and more backups. They save your ass if anything goes wrong to this very day before any major upgrade I run my backup script on my machine to clone it to an external ssd boot that on my duplicate spare machine do the upgrade and see how it goes. I cannot remember the last time I had problems with an upgrade/dist-upgrade.
#52 Re: Freedom Hacks » A couple of useful solutions » 2025-07-20 16:44:40
+1 on the appman I have used it for a good year now works great.
#53 Re: Installation » Fresh install vs dist-upgrade for next release » 2025-07-20 16:41:38
make notes of any config changes you made
Those are best made when doing them the likely-hood of remembering later are slim to none. I know that is true for me so every change made goes in my install notes file I always make.
#54 Re: Packaging for Devuan » Repackaging Debian packages » 2025-07-18 23:19:53
It's in unstable
Shows up in Trixie as well, in addition to the git clone command to install local version listed.
#55 Re: Packaging for Devuan » Repackaging Debian packages » 2025-07-18 15:14:51
Hi I seen this posting on the Debian Planet and immediately thought of this thread I read the other day. Especially when I read the mentorship offer part at the bottom of it. Could be worth a try to reach out and see if he can help.
#56 Re: Other Issues » package server not being updated » 2025-07-16 23:00:34
Who should I contact about this issue?
From greenjeans in this thread.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=7304
You might get a faster reply to your query via IRC, on Libera-chat go to #devuan-dev, that's where all the big cheeses usually hang out
#57 Re: News & Announcements » Chrome based browsers and uBlock Origin » 2025-07-16 22:51:37
The ungoogled-chromium I use allows the ublock origin with its chromium web store extension. It gets updated all the time like the other chrome based browers I have installed, same with the extensions. Comes in handy I needed to go through all five other ones I have to find the one that worked on a particular website just two days ago. I still use Firefox mainly and have since it was still called Netscape Navigator before the fork to open source and as the guns nuts say, you will pry it from my cold dead hands.
#58 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus unusable with multiple monitors - Fixed in Excalibur » 2025-07-16 14:32:27
I do I have been using a Debian or one based on it distribution since Woody was released in 2004 I think it was, so I have been through a few releases in that time. That is how it works it is at the stage now where nothing new is going to enter the archives for the coming release. So you can safely do updates knowing that they will be only the already mentioned bug fixes or security updates for the now fixed in stone versions of the software installed. Which is the main complaint against Debian as time goes on until the next release the outdated versions of the software installed in the current stable, as it takes them about two years between the stable release cycles to release the next version. But if you are interested in stability and something that just works day after day basically for years to come Debian stable and distributions based on it are unbeatable for that.
#59 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus unusable with multiple monitors - Fixed in Excalibur » 2025-07-15 20:35:24
Perhaps I should withhold updating until it is released or limit it to the security repo only.
I fail to see why Trixie (which in Devuan is Excalibur) is in the hard freeze state all you will ever get for updates at this point are bug fixes/security updates of the frozen software versions already installed. Once the new OS software is released as stable then the security archive starts to get packages as those issues come up.
#60 Re: Devuan » Can't use MAKE command driver for installation » 2025-07-10 21:21:19
Okay, I will try to find the advice I missed.
You may also want to apt update then apt upgrade. It appears your kernel is two versions (-35 vs -37) behind the present released version by Debian which Devuan follows very closely. Most times on my main Devuan machine I will get the new kernel before it hits the Debian archives for those other machines I have running Debian systemd free.
#61 Re: Devuan » Can't use MAKE command driver for installation » 2025-07-10 21:13:11
Who's asking it to look for vmlinux?
I have no clue nor the interest to search the source to find out why the stupid things "Skipping BTF generation" step is looking for vmlinux now I notice instead of the vmlinuz that is there when the auto-complete gave it to me on my Debian system when I was wondering it was not finding what I knew had to be there to boot.. I went systemd free with after seeing how easy it is to do on a Devuan conversion.
seeder1@8400t:~$ acp systemd
systemd:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
Version table:
254.26-1~bpo12+1 -1
100 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports/main amd64 Packages
252.38-1~deb12u1 -1
500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main amd64 Packages
252.36-1~deb12u1 -1
500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages#62 Re: Devuan » Can't use MAKE command driver for installation » 2025-07-10 15:03:02
Though now I remember I have system like it with compiler and everything necessary just for shits and giggles since I have some time on my hands..
seeder1@8400t:~$ acp gcc
gcc:
Installed: 4:12.2.0-3
Candidate: 4:12.2.0-3
Version table:
*** 4:12.2.0-3 500
500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
seeder1@8400t:~$ acp build-essential
build-essential:
Installed: 12.9
Candidate: 12.9
Version table:
*** 12.9 500
500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
seeder1@8400t:~$ acp make
make:
Installed: 4.3-4.1
Candidate: 4.3-4.1
Version table:
*** 4.3-4.1 500
500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
seeder1@8400t:~$ acp git
git:
Installed: 1:2.39.5-0+deb12u2
Candidate: 1:2.39.5-0+deb12u2
Version table:
*** 1:2.39.5-0+deb12u2 500
500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
seeder1@8400t:~$ acp linux-headers-$(uname -r)
linux-headers-6.1.0-37-amd64:
Installed: 6.1.140-1
Candidate: 6.1.140-1
Version table:
*** 6.1.140-1 500
500 http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian bookworm-proposed-updates/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
seeder1@8400t:~$ alias acp
alias acp='apt-cache policy'
seeder1@8400t:~$ ll src
ls: cannot access 'src': No such file or directory
seeder1@8400t:~$ mkdir src
seeder1@8400t:~$ cd src
seeder1@8400t:~/src$ git clone https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89.git
Cloning into 'rtw89'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 7524, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (1755/1755), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (94/94), done.
remote: Total 7524 (delta 1703), reused 1661 (delta 1661), pack-reused 5769 (from 2)
Receiving objects: 100% (7524/7524), 7.99 MiB | 23.11 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (6041/6041), done.
seeder1@8400t:~/src$ cd rtw89
eeder1@8400t:~/src/rtw89$ make
make -C /lib/modules/6.1.0-37-amd64/build M=/home/seeder1/src/rtw89 modules
make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-6.1.0-37-amd64'
CC [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/core.o
/home/seeder1/src/rtw89/core.c:1751:11: warning: ‘rtw89_rxdesc_to_nl_he_gi’ defined but not used [-Wunused-function]
1751 | static u8 rtw89_rxdesc_to_nl_he_gi(struct rtw89_dev *rtwdev,
| ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CC [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/mac80211.o
CC [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/mac.o
snip......
Skipping BTF generation for /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8852c.ko due to unavailability of vmlinux
CC [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8852ce.mod.o
LD [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8852ce.ko
BTF [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8852ce.ko
Skipping BTF generation for /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8852ce.ko due to unavailability of vmlinux
CC [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922a.mod.o
LD [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922a.ko
BTF [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922a.ko
Skipping BTF generation for /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922a.ko due to unavailability of vmlinux
CC [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922ae.mod.o
LD [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922ae.ko
BTF [M] /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922ae.ko
Skipping BTF generation for /home/seeder1/src/rtw89/rtw_8922ae.ko due to unavailability of vmlinux
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-6.1.0-37-amd64'
seeder1@8400t:~/src/rtw89$ ll /vmlinuz
0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Jun 28 09:58 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-6.1.0-37-amd64With the result being the bottom of the snipped output with some stupid foolishness about not being able to find vmlinuz which is clearly there. Who knows if the the make install would work I am not interested in seeing if that step works. But if the OP will actually listen to advice given he can try and and find out.
#63 Re: Devuan » Can't use MAKE command driver for installation » 2025-07-10 14:41:12
They did. Read the makefile.
I will help with generic advice on compiling and on the odd occasion will read and build the driver on a system, this is not one of them times. Most times though I will not install dev tools just to do that. The OP has enough problems following advice given, my effort level in that case is not that high to go that extra mile.
#64 Re: Devuan » Can't use MAKE command driver for installation » 2025-07-10 02:45:17
Any suggestions?
Yes firstly stop trying to compile as root do the ./configure, and ./make steps as a normal user then when needing to install the module use sudo make install this is the only step that requires the root user to get done. And I see nothing about the ./configure step being done. Lastly where does this crazy line come from make ARCH=x86_64 CROSS_COMPILE= -C /lib/modules/6.1.0-35-amd64/build. You are already on the x86_64 arch with the kernel headers installed and since it is the same arch you are not cross-compiling, try make instead. Start with newly extracted source for the proper driver as pointed out above the source you try to use is out of date according to the posting by steve_v. You want the linked rtw_89 and you just might have chance of having some success in getting it done.
#65 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How are 'live' disks that can boot on many systems created? » 2025-07-06 22:04:30
If I want to take an HDD with a personal install (choice of applications) and use it in several different systems, can I make such an HDD with a typical "Live" disk?
Certainly can and is what my cloning script does. It takes my live running system and clones it to the drive I choose which I then boot it on. When booting the boot process does hardware probes which will load the required drivers for the system booted on. Where you can run into problems is when you have nvidia card using the proprietary drivers that will fail on machine without one in it that can use the driver installed. I rarely do installs any more it is simple clone boot then clone onto new machine once booted. Edit three files to change the UUIDs required for the new machine drive to ensure proper booting once done and reboot to new install with all of my previous information and settings intact.
The way it can be done with a live USB is by booting the live installer on your original install. with new machine drive connected to it. Then you open a terminal and partition the new drive and format it. You then mount the current install drive partitions and the new install drive partitions. Using the rsync program you copy byte for byte the original to the new drive then make the UUID changes in the already mentioned three files for EFI install, MBR no clue. Take the drive put it in the new machine and it should just boot. I made post just the other day giving all of the commands needed to do it.
Edit: The thread that contains the instructions.
#66 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How are 'live' disks that can boot on many systems created? » 2025-07-05 22:40:49
and choose the right drivers for whatever system the disk has been placed in? Or is that a special mode that has to be configured by expert devs?
That is by definition what most live boot systems are. They are designed to have pretty much all the drivers needed to boot on most hardware. Now there are some live boot systems which only boot on certain hardware like a Pi or other such specialized hardware. But for the most part the 32 and 64 bit live disks for the most common Intel/AMD processors will boot on the vast majority of the hardware out there doing what you want without any extra effort.
#67 Re: News & Announcements » The dev1galaxy.org (almost) No Code of Conduct » 2025-07-02 02:54:04
it's vey sad whats being happening in other linux forums bro, .... didn't cared about Xlibre or his wack creator, that was a very, very crazy situation! Anyways we feel a lot better being here, thanks again!
I have noticed this too in Linux fourms lately the total buy in to the coporate parasite control agenda that they are foisting onto linux with the systemd and wayland garbage. With the Gnome trolls leading the charge for it for well over a decade now.
#68 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Transfering an OS from HD to SSD » 2025-07-02 00:43:31
When you use one of those 'whole partition' transfer utilities to copy a system from an old HD to an SSD, does the OS notice the change in hardware?
I do not use them utilities. Here is my method on booted live usb using rsync. First you create the new partitions on the drive to be copied to. below is example of the cloning operationing on one of my machines for EFI booting I have no clue on MBR drive.
et to a second cloning to the Samsung NVMe 128GB external enclosure drive the
extra one I have a duplicate.
root@9600k:~# gdisk /dev/sdb
GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.10
Partition table scan:
MBR: protective
BSD: not present
APM: not present
GPT: present
Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
Command (? for help): o
This option deletes all partitions and creates a new protective MBR.
Proceed? (Y/N): y
Command (? for help): n
Partition number (1-128, default 1):
First sector (34-250069646, default = 2048) or {+-}size{KMGTP}:
Last sector (2048-250069646, default = 250068991) or {+-}size{KMGTP}: 500MB
Current type is 8300 (Linux filesystem)
Hex code or GUID (L to show codes, Enter = 8300): ef00
Changed type of partition to 'EFI system partition'
Command (? for help): n
Partition number (2-128, default 2):
First sector (34-250069646, default = 1026048) or {+-}size{KMGTP}:
Last sector (1026048-250069646, default = 250068991) or {+-}size{KMGTP}:
Current type is 8300 (Linux filesystem)
Hex code or GUID (L to show codes, Enter = 8300):
Changed type of partition to 'Linux filesystem'
Command (? for help): w
Final checks complete. About to write GPT data. THIS WILL OVERWRITE EXISTING
PARTITIONS!!
Do you want to proceed? (Y/N): y
OK; writing new GUID partition table (GPT) to /dev/sdb.
The operation has completed successfully.The formatting of the drive I go first partitiion EFI system which needs to be fat32, ext4 for second and third partition, the /root and /home partitions.
root@9600k:~# mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1
root@9600k:~# mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1
root@9600k:~# fatlabel /dev/sdb1 DRIVEEFI
root@9600k:~# mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -L DRIVEROOT /dev/sdb2
root@9600k:~# mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -L DRIVEHOME /dev/sdb3The -m 0 reserves not space on the partitions the default without is 5% and the -L gives you partition label.
Now the actual copying/cloning from booted usb. Open terminal from desktop environment use these commands.
sudo mkdir /tmp/oldroot
sudo mkdir /tmp/newroot
sudo mkdir /tmp/oldhome
sudo mkdir /tmp/newhome
sudo mkdir /tmp/oldefi
sudo mkdir /tmp/newefiThen mount the partitions using sudo fdisk -l to determine the actual drive letter number of the partition to be cloned.
sudo mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/oldefi
sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/newefi
sudo mount /dev/sda2 /tmp/oldroot
sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /tmp/newroot
sudo mount /dev/sda3 /tmp/oldhome
sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /tmp/newhomeNow clone.
sudo scp -r /tmp/oldefi/* /tmp/newefi/
sudo rsync -avP /tmp/oldroot/* /tmp/newroot/
sudo rsync -avP /tmp/oldhome/* /tmp/newhome/Once the cloning is done you need to edit some files for the new UUIDs on the cloned to drive so it will boot. To get the required information use the sudo blkid command an example of its output below.
Mushkin 480GB SSD
/dev/sda1: LABEL_FATBOOT="MUSHKINEFI" LABEL="MUSHKINEFI" UUID="6465-9332" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI system partition" PARTUUID="d2a1b57d-794c-4ed8-9c76-1c6d12108f6b"
/dev/sda2: LABEL="MushkinRoot" UUID="03fec226-03dd-40de-8728-1bf7ae86239d" BLOCK_SIZE="4096" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="Linux filesystem" PARTUUID="4e0572c1-cac9-4319-bd7f-90c9806d0a26"
/dev/sda3: LABEL="MushkinHome" UUID="6db5ea58-64bd-45db-aa1c-004c6b782f04" BLOCK_SIZE="4096" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="Linux filesystem" PARTUUID="319d59c2-0efe-4d3b-a37e-8c1e517ee813"There you can see where to get them from. Now three files need to be edited on a Devuan EFI system. The first.
root@9600k:~# cat /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg
search.fs_uuid 766dcfc3-a1e4-495f-86e2-570205723fef root
set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
configfile $prefix/grub.cfgOn the cloned drive this file would be /tmp/newefi/EFI/debian/grub.cfg you edit with your favourite editor to change to new UUID for the new / from the blkid command earlier. The second is the /tmp/newroot/etc/fstab where you edit all three the old EFI, / and /home to the new UUIDs for them. Lastly
Here I show example from script I have that does all of this part on live running system.
# My Mushkin 8500t intenal
sed -i "s/6977106c-69db-4634-b33f-9a03da4b46ed/03fec226-03dd-40de-8728-1bf7ae86239d/g" /root/bin/boot_mushkin_8500t_grub.cfgSo the command to do it on cloned drive would be.
sed -i "s/oldrootUUID/newrootUUID/g" /tmp/newroot/boot/grub/grub.cfgThen you can reboot and when the new drive is selected from the one time EFI boot menu it should just fire up. Now I look back this shows two partition drive in the gdisk step just continue on with next partition if desired. I have done this hundreds of times and it works every time unless I forget to edit a UUID when manually, my scripts run it flawless to back and restore to my various machines and drives. Good luck if you use this method it should just work unless I have stupid typo I missed when checking it over..
#69 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » XLibre: The New Xorg Fork » 2025-06-08 18:26:00
Lets hope some talented programmers in debian take this up.
I have my doubts on that Debian seems to have gone full on in on the corporate control of GNU/Linux. All their actions over the last decade or so prove this including the reason this project exists. I would be happy to be wrong in this but all signs point to it being true.
#70 Re: Installation » Minimalist/selective installation? » 2025-05-28 15:15:32
say that this is not a minimal system installation, because Plasma does not fall into the understanding of minimalism.
It is a minimalist way of getting a graphical installation on the computer without all the extras that get pulled in by the meta package method of installing and is what I do every time as well. Which is obviously his goal when doing such he did not say he wants next to nothing installed.. Your understanding of what he wants in a minimal install is totally wrong for this situation.
#71 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The 'snap' package in Devuan belongs to biology » 2025-05-24 01:46:57
But maybe I am wrong and there is no such thing, not even with "snap".
You are not wrong, never seen it on Linux, it is always the web app. Even when it is wrapped into an application by someone you are stuck with the web app. Which means no video calling at all only an option for voice call. And of course using the cell phone to link the app to be able to use it on your computer.
#72 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The 'snap' package in Devuan belongs to biology » 2025-05-23 03:56:59
seems to be the (only) way to get Whatsapp on the linux-laptop
You have obviously missed the https://web.whatsapp.com/ option. This works the same as any of those supposed applications which are a wrapper for the web app instead of using it directly in the web browser.
#73 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problem with Failed to execute login command - Daedalus » 2025-05-17 15:15:27
Strange that clean/autoclean aren't in the man pages for apt.
It appears they are only mentioned with a reference to read apt-get man page.
edit-sources (work-in-progress)
edit-sources lets you edit your sources.list(5) files in your
preferred text editor while also providing basic sanity checks.
showsrc, depends, rdepends, policy (summarised in apt-cache(8))
source, build-dep, download, changelog, clean, distclean, autoclean
(summarised in apt-get(8))Edit: that would be in excalibur it is not in a previous version of apt on a bookworm based install.
#74 Re: Installation » How to upgrade to devuan testing? » 2025-05-13 16:54:09
7. sudo apt upgrade
That should be sudo apt full-upgrade or the older now depreciated sudo apt dist-upgrade to use the command to upgrade a distribution properly to the next one coming.
#75 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Upgrade Daedalus to Ceres - error » 2025-05-09 04:09:08
You are welcome good to see you got it sorted.
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