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#676 Installation » Problem with chimaera amd64 netinstall.iso » 2023-11-19 20:45:16

Altoid
Replies: 3

Hello:

I am having a strange problem with the *.iso file in the subject.
When installing the base system, the installer finds that the file libsemanage-common_3.1-1_all.deb is corrupted.

The strange thing is that:

- all three downloaded *.iso files passed the SHA256 test.
- before proceeding to install, I had the installer check the installation media and there was no issue.
- two different SD cards were used as installation media and passed previous tests using the F3 utility.
- the destination USB drive also passed all tests using the F3 utility.

I could suspect the SD card to USB adaptor but it was used to run the successful F3 tests and it is always the same *.deb which is coming up as corrupted.

Nevertheless, I will try with a USB flash drive to see what happens.

In the meantime, I'd appreciate any comments as to what may be going on.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#677 Re: Devuan » Virtualbox 7.0... » 2023-11-18 23:31:33

Hello:

rolfie wrote:

VBox works fine for me ...

Same here.
Mine is on Devuan Beowulf with a 5.10 kernel.
ie: same VBox version from their repository.

Only use it for two things: an old XPSP3 I need for my Blackberry* software (no web access) and running Devuan Chimaera for Pi-hole + Unbound recursive DNS.

Pass through of USB devices and shared folders works fine once you get the hand of configuring it properly.

rolfie wrote:

... always avoided the default of using my home drive to store the VMs.

Never thought of that.
No web access for XP and the Chimaera VM runs headless, updates only from the Devuan repository. 
Should I?

Best,

A.

* a basic but well working Linux application by the name of Barry was abandoned ~10 years ago.

#678 Re: Installation » Chromebox CN62 USB not working » 2023-11-16 09:47:11

Hello:

mclien wrote:

... working in the current setup, it is not really urgent.

No problem.

Best,

A.

#679 Re: Installation » Chromebox CN62 USB not working » 2023-11-15 11:33:30

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

We can find out some more by using a powered hub.

Just to clarify the above suggestion.

It must be an externally powered hub, the type that uses a small wall wart.
USB hubs powered via one of the USB ports with charging capability will (most probably) have the same problem you are having now.

Best,

A.

#680 Re: Installation » Chromebox CN62 USB not working » 2023-11-14 23:15:32

Hello:

mclien wrote:

comments from me, followed by the dmesg ...

Right.

--- snip ---
[  +8.930261] hub_port_connect: 5 callbacks suppressed
[  +0.000011] usb usb1-port5: connect-debounce failed
--- snip ---
[  +3.305752] usb 1-5: new full-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd
[  +0.128088] usb 1-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[  +0.235964] usb 1-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[  +0.236013] usb 1-5: new full-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd
[  +0.127984] usb 1-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[  +0.236036] usb 1-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[  +0.108093] usb usb1-port5: attempt power cycle
--- snip ---

HID devices need more power than a USB stick and from what dmesg says, it seems that (for whatever reason) they are not getting it from all the available ports.

Maybe these specific ports are disabled or asleep?
Is there a setting in the BIOS that has to do with enabling USB ports selectively or something related to power management or *wake up* settings?

From page 28 of the Asus CN62 manual:

All ASUS products with the ENERGY STAR logo comply with the ENERGY STAR standard, and the power management feature is enabled by default. The monitor and computer are automatically set to sleep after 10 and 30 minutes of user inactivity. To wake your computer, click the mouse or press any key on the keyboard
--- snip ---
NOTE: Energy Star is NOT supported on FreeDOS and Linux-based    # <- !!!
products

We can find out some more by using a powered hub.

Try to borrow or purchase one and plug it into one of the non working USB sockets.

Once it is plugged in, plug in the mouse and then the kb (one at a time) into the hub.
Check the output of each step via ~$ sudo dmesg -wH.

Please post the results.

If it the kb and mouse work, it would rule out faulty USB socket problems and point us to a USB power/configuration issue.

Best,

A.

#681 Re: Installation » Chromebox CN62 USB not working » 2023-11-14 10:36:43

Hello:

mclien wrote:

... working with one port still not usable for mouse/keyboard.
.. "firmware-linux"
Asus Chromebook CN&" with intel i7 CPU and flashed with coreboot (MrChromebox)

Right.

mclien wrote:

... expert install with a minimal system ...
... install all drivers or only those specific for the device.

Therein may lie the problem.
ie: could be that the installer is not identifying all the needed drivers or modules.

From what I have read on-line, the USB ports on your CB are USB 3.0, with the two in the front supporting BC1.2 (charging capability).
Please look at the specific manual for your unit and check that, it may differ in hardware sold in different markets.

The fact that you are able to use a kb and mouse means that the HID drivers/module are loaded and working for two of the available USB ports so that is not the problem.

Please open up a terminal and do ...

~$ sudo dmesg -wH

This will give you a rolling terminal output from dmesg with user-friendly features (-H).

Once you have done this, unplug the keyboard and plug it into one of the non-working sockets, unplug it and plug it back into the socket is was working in.
Do the same with the other non-working socket.

This will tell us what is going on and maybe reveal the origin of the problem.

Please post the results.
   
Best,

A.

#682 Re: Installation » Chromebox CN62 USB not working » 2023-11-12 20:52:06

Hello:

mclien wrote:

Thanks ...

You're welcome.
Once you've fixed things, please post steps taken, results, etc. so it will be available to all in the future.

Also, you may want to consider changing the title of your OP to reflect the hardware and Devuan version you were installing.

eg: Chromebox [model] with [Devuan version used here] - USB interfaces not working 

Best,

A.

#683 Re: Installation » Chromebox CN62 USB not working » 2023-11-12 19:30:10

Hello:

mclien wrote:

... get several lines of:

W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/..

For that part of the problem, have a thorough read at this thread at stackexchange.

Specifically the answer with 135 votes which is the most comprehensive one.

That said, it could well solve all the issues you are having as the i915 chipset runs the USB ports.

Best,

A.

#684 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Strategies to deal with .xsession-errors » 2023-11-11 14:26:47

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... /dev/null and cron is acceptable either on a normally working computer ...
... or as an emergency solution ...

Indeed ...

aluma wrote:

Errors must be found and eliminated, up to the removal of bad programs ...

Yes, that not happening is one of my pet peeves.
Specifically with the won't fix crowd.

In any case, at the time* I decided to add these lines to crontab:
* though I have not had time to follow up on whatever was causing the errors

# 1. For /home/groucho/.xsession-errors
# ---
0 */23 * * * [ $(du -k .xsession-errors | awk '{ print $1 }') -gt 2000 ] && tail -200 /home/$(whoami)/.xsession-errors > /home/$(whoami)/.xsession-$
# ---

When run, it will check and limit the .xsession-errors file to 2000 Kb while retaining the last 200 lines.
Check it here at crontab.guru.

2000 Kb is quite a bit of text in a logfile and from what I have seen, the entries in .xsession-errors have a very high rate of repetition.

eg:
Xlib because of missing "RANDR" extension, typical of Nvidia setups
Gtk warnings because of some deprecated whatever
Firefox-esr warnings because of deprecated GtkButton property and so on ...
Xfmw4 and xfdesktop warnings and fatal IO errors and such.

Best,

A.

#685 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Strategies to deal with .xsession-errors » 2023-11-10 22:33:30

Hello:

golinux wrote:

I don't check .xsession-errors often and when I did a few days ago, it had grown ...

Been there, done that.
Check this post (and the rest of the thread, of course).

It seems that xsession-errors are just a part of life so the thing is to keep the log files from growing.

Best,

A.

#686 Devuan » Debian Farm? » 2023-11-08 10:18:29

Altoid
Replies: 34

Hello:

Came up on this thread, referenced to in DNG this morning.

Interesting, but what will it lead to?

someone at bugs.debian.org wrote:

... propose to remove SysVinit completely from the next Debian
release, with appropriate checking routines at upgrade time, so upgraded
machines won't run into a "don't boot anymore" condition. This will make a
clear statement for everybody instead of the current ambiguity where individual
packages arbitrarily support SysVinit or not, at the mercy of their
maintainers.

Best,

A.

#687 Re: Installation » Whoopsie ... Firefox-esr 115.4 breaks things » 2023-10-30 12:39:50

Hello:

Andre4freedom wrote:

... standard Daedalus installation on all my systems.
--- snip ---
... firefox 115.4.0esr - which cane with normal "apt update" commands.

See my reply to Majorie.

Andre4freedom wrote:

... Firefox from Mozilla.org and installed it to /opt.
... work in parallell with the esr Firefox ...

I had to do that in my 1000HE.
Removed the updated version that screwed things up (102.x), installed 91.x and then pinned it.

To be honest, I am (rather) relieved to see I am not the only person affected by whatever Mozilla is doing lately.

I was beginning to think it was my recursive DNS Pi-Hole / UBlock Origin generating these issues.
But no, they seem to be working perfectly well.

Two FFs in my box is far too much FF for me.
If we're not carefull, they may spawn a litter.

But ...
Just who is in charge at Mozilla? --> DH Supremo Poettering?  8^/

I think I'll cut my losses and do my home banking with the LibreWolf 102.01 AppImage for the time being.
At least the banks seem to be OK with it, no issues whatsoever.

And I can get to see maps/bus routes without having to jump through hoops.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#688 Re: Installation » Whoopsie ... Firefox-esr 115.4 breaks things » 2023-10-30 12:22:10

Hello:

Marjorie wrote:

Firefox 102.15 is still the version in (my) Daedulus repository ...

This is my box:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.deb10.16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.127-2~bpo10+1 (2022-07-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$
 

Got it from the repository:

~$ apt list | grep firefox-esr
--- snip ---
firefox-esr/oldoldstable-security,now 115.4.0esr-1~deb10u1 amd64 [installed]
~$ 

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#689 Installation » Whoopsie ... Firefox-esr 115.4 breaks things » 2023-10-29 21:56:36

Altoid
Replies: 6

Hello:

Not surprising at all.
And very annoying.

Could not log into my bank's on-line banking to check a few things with the latest Firefox-esr (115.4.0esr-1~deb10u1 amd64).
I also have issues with a couple of other sites I frequently use which will not display map type images but I can access those with the last Pale Moon.

The bank says version FF 91.x.x-esr is the minimum accepted version.
I tried it with my Asus 1000HE 32-bit netbook and it works fine.

Curiously enough (or not), I was also able get things done with a LibreWolf 102.01 AppImage I have as a fall-back.
So maybe it would be best to pin this crap at version 102-esr.

How can I roll back to the FF-esr previous version?
I assume it can be installed with apt?

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#690 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-26 09:30:56

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... you'll have to rebuild.

Right.

PedroReina wrote:

... don't harm the system, just take up space ...

Yes, that was not a problem.
What I was thinking was that the system would be nimbler.

Thank you both for your input.
It would seem that I'll keep using the standard kernel.

Best,

A.

#691 News & Announcements » xorg-server 21.1.9 - Security fix release » 2023-10-25 17:15:06

Altoid
Replies: 5

Hello:

Just got this in my inbox.
As always, Good to see that things 'X11' are rolling along steadily.

Best,

A.

***********************************************************************************

This release contains fixes for CVE-2023-5367 and CVE-2023-5380 as
reported in today's security advisory:
https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-annou … 03430.html

*********************************************************************************

Additionally, the server now uses libbsd-overlay instead of libbsd.

Adam Jackson (1):
      present: Send a PresentConfigureNotify event for destroyed windows

Peter Hutterer (3):
      Xi/randr: fix handling of PropModeAppend/Prepend
      mi: reset the PointerWindows reference on screen switch
      xserver 21.1.9

Sam James (1):
      Switch to libbsd-overlay

git tag: xorg-server-21.1.9

https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … 1.9.tar.gz
SHA256: 455ac22c411b3e74adb4d1b3fd48b9037b6b5ba9260247c59b669f67a08fd26e  xorg-server-21.1.9.tar.gz
SHA512: 4db11c3241c135e4acd3c83fb740248f0e645f2be19c28c398d9d3ef5e4ee68d53ccc61c1d48ffe7fdd5e7fa78cd294ebaaf3f35cd2d5acfb1d9af1277b8a42e  xorg-server-21.1.9.tar.gz
PGP:  https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … tar.gz.sig

https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … 1.9.tar.xz
SHA256: ff697be2011b4c4966b7806929e51b7a08e9d33800d505305d26d9ccde4b533a  xorg-server-21.1.9.tar.xz
SHA512: 9044e1b9222616fb63aea444b75f4ca6582edb7d899018f8ea30359e57edf04b1555e69397ebc4d288f7e36d6b82a54dde3895f11d414573d229e908ac17bfe8  xorg-server-21.1.9.tar.xz
PGP:  https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … tar.xz.sig

***********************************************************************************

#692 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-25 09:18:04

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... kernel you need to compile a new one.

I see ...
I understand that this would be for a major update.
eg: 4.9 -> 5.0

Would it also be the same for minor ones?
eg: 4.9x -> 4.9y?

PedroReina wrote:

... don't see why a custom kernel is required anymore.

Only thought about it for the reasons in my OP.
Tailored to the specific hardware in my box because eventually the kernel will have more unneeded modules than needed ones.

Thank you both for your input.

Best,

A.

#693 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-24 11:10:56

Hello:

PedroReina wrote:

... first custom kernel needed all night to compile ...

I have many times thought about the possibility/convenience/need of doing such a thing but always came up, for some reason or other, short of arguments.
Not that I did not have enough of them, what I did not and do not have is previous experience or time.

I also adhere to the if it works, leave it be philosophy.
But being a stubborn tinkerer, I have a rather bad track record on that account.

My box is a Sun MS Ultra 24 WS with an Intel Q9550+16Gb RAM, SLI SAS1068E SAS controller and a pair of Nvidia Quadro FX580 cards to drive three 19" monitors, two of them Samsung SyncMaster 940N. There is also an Adaptec 2940UW SCSI controller for my Umax S-6E scanner and a PCIe USB 3.0 PCIe card.

All the hardware listed above is ranked as old or ancient (depending on who is talking) but my take is that if it works as expected, it is neither old nor ancient.
Look at the Voyager probe ...

That said, I expect that save some event that kills the mb, I should not need to undertake any hardware upgrading, save maybe the SAS controller and drives which are SAS-1/3.0 Gbit/s a couple of years from now when I can justify getting that hardware because of a good bargain.

But I see that at some point in the future, an always fast approaching horizon in IT, it may be a good idea to churn out a slimmed down/monolithic/dedicated kernel for my box, with just what its hardware needs to run.

My main doubt with respect to that is the eventual updating/upgrading of the kernel.

How does that work? Does the kernel have to be compiled everytime?

I'd appreciate some insight into this aspect of the kernel building issue.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#694 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Lenovo Ideapad 100e F-Keys Work in Mint/Ubuntu but not Devuan/Debian » 2023-10-23 19:52:05

Hello:

aluma wrote:

... two kernel modules for ideapad ...
... loaded?

Do this:

lsmod | grep  "ideapad"

That said, here's what ubuntu.pkgs.org has to inform.

That package has a number of modules for Ubuntu 22.04, among them ideapad-laptop.ko, which is why it works.
Debian/Devuan probably does not have that package yet.

Best,

A.

#695 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Lenovo Ideapad 100e F-Keys Work in Mint/Ubuntu but not Devuan/Debian » 2023-10-23 18:30:13

Hello:

Tatwi wrote:

... "just work" in Ubuntu... must be magic ...

Magic? *

Nonsense.
No such thing at work in your Ideapad when running on Ubuntu or Mint.

There is something that Ubuntu/Mint loads that makes those Fx keys work as F100e keys.
ie: not in their default function or otherwise mapped function.

Look in dmesg or in the Xorg log, it has to show up somewhere.

See if you can search/ask at the Ubuntu/Mint fora.
eg: seach for "Lenovo Ideapad 100e F-keys not working" and maybe you'll get a lead as to what it is.

Like I mentioned, my Asus 1000HE required a driver to be loaded for F1 to F12 to do something else (Fn+Fx) to work.
Otherwise they acted as regular F keys.

That said, maybe there is some key combination you have to press to "come and go" from regular F-key function to special F-key function.

Check that you are enabling the BIOS setting properly.

* Magic
What Devuan devs/packagers/maintainers and admins do to keep the Devuan project alive and running.

Best,

A.

#696 Re: Installation » Systemd-boot(it's actually not tied to systemd) possible in devuan? » 2023-10-23 16:36:19

Hello:

recklessswing wrote:

Why do this?

Why?
I'll quote myself ...

Altoid @ 2023-09-05 08:10:34 wrote:

Deprecating SystemV support was the last step in that direction.

lwn.net/Articles wrote:

"Support for System V service scripts is now deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please make sure to update your software
*now* [1] to include a native systemd unit file instead of a legacy System V script to retain compatibility with future systemd releases."

[1] the asterisks are not mine, they are in the original.

The inevitable result will be that in a very short time there will be no SystemV compatible packages in the Debian repositories as devs/maintainers will not include init scripts for a deprecated init in their packages, something that will inevitably extend to all Debian based distributions using systemd.

I've said it many times before: there is a lot of moolah behind making systemd the de-facto init for the Linux ecosystem.
systemd is nothing but a MS registry for Linux and the main purpose is to turn Linux into a MS type OS, with all that such a thing implies.

Like a poster at The Register once said with respect to systemd:

"... it is nothing but a developer sanctioned virus running inside the OS, constantly changing and going deeper and deeper into the host with every iteration and as a result, progressively putting an end to the possibility of knowing/controlling what is going on inside your box as it becomes more and more obscure."

But there's nothing new at hand: it is the old MS embrace, extend, and extinguish that has been going on for decades, only that now there's active and quite visible participation from IBM/RH and last but not least Microsoft, corporation that that went from labelling Linux a cancer to wanting to become best friends with it while everyone smiled and said "how nice of them to do so".

Devuan (and derivatives) is still holding on but who knows for how long this will be so.

Do you know where Poettering works these days?

Now ...
Do you understand why?

Best,

A.

#697 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-19 21:56:36

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

Thanks ...

You're welcome.

boughtonp wrote:

... disappointing attitude ...

To say the least.

boughtonp wrote:

I don't, because it isn't ...

I meant solved for the OP who (because of Distrowatch) thought Unstable and Testing used systemd.
That was cleared up and ceased to be an issue for him.

On the other hand, what was not cleared up and you seem to have cracked, is the why Distrowatch has the wrong data or at the very least, misinterprets the available data, something which was beyond my intent.

And therein lies the lack of basic common sense / bad attitude from the chap at Distrowatch.

Devuan (let's accept that it was Devuan, just for argument's sake) is explaining that Unstable and Testing do not have/use systemd, that all those files are shims to be able to use some packages from the Debian repositories.

But no, they dig in deeper, wriggling their way out the argument and insisting.

Wouldn't it have been much more reasonable for them to have sent an email to the address I provided and simply ask?
Our dedicated Devuan devs would have asked about the source of their data and promptly cleared up the problem for them.

But no, no - can - do - that.

Not a problem, to me Distrowatch was never a place to go for distribution information.
It is just a long list of names.

Thank you for your input.

Best,

A.

#698 Re: Other Issues » OpenRC init script works fine on Gentoo and Artix – but not on Devuan » 2023-10-19 20:41:47

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

... situation in that example is not the same as the situation here.

Indeed ...
It did not cross my mind.
I'm sorry if I explained myself incorrectly.

My comment was related exclusively to your asserting that Debian supports all packages in its repositories, installed by default or not.

My view of what transpired in the case I referenced is what I can understand from the maintainer's text within the context of the problem exposed.

ie:
Worked as expected with systemd but did not work with sysvinit.
The main difference, exhaustively documented, being the init software used.

Was there another gremlin at work there?
We don't/won't know.

The maintainer refused to have a look on the grounds of Debian+sysvinit not being a default configuration, his calification of the bug is of no import.

... sysvinit is not enabled by default in Debian ...
... do not consider this bug as release-critical.

Given what the Debian devs/maintainers are doing with the init scripts lately ...
Can anyone be at all surprised?

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#699 Re: Other Issues » OpenRC init script works fine on Gentoo and Artix – but not on Devuan » 2023-10-19 15:39:26

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

Any package you find in the Debian Stable repositories is supported by Debian - it doesn't matter if it is installed by default.

I would not be too sure about that.
ie: the "supported" and "it doesn't matter if it is installed by default" parts.

Some time ago there was a thread related to timeshift with a LUKS / btrfs combination and how it worked properly in Debian and not in Devuan.

After a long exchange of ideas here at Dev1, a bug was reported to Debian by the OP.

Quite obviously, Devuan was not mentioned.

The bug was reported to because timeshift (with the LUKS / btrfs combination) worked perfectly well with Debian+systemd but not with Debian+sysvinit.

If interested, see bug #1034328

The answer from Debian?

Boyuan Yang @bugs.debian.org wrote:

Since sysvinit is not enabled by default in Debian, I do not consider this
bug as release-critical. Downgrading the bug severity to "normal".

Best,

A.

#700 Re: Other Issues » Ustable and Testing Systemd. » 2023-10-17 22:30:37

Hello:

zapper wrote:

... kidding obviously.

Of course.  8^D

A.

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