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#551 Re: DIY » wicd is back from the dead » 2024-09-17 01:20:01

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

Nothing stopping another developer (to be?) to stand up ...

I guess not.

But the fact is that between the last release by a member of the WiCD project team and Andreas' starting to work on it, over 12 years passed.

We can shorten that to 7 if we count Pieter Leclerc's contribution (not listed as a team member) by releasing 1.7.3 (12/2014) and squashing ~30 bugs. That was his only (albeit very valuable) contribution.

But that is it, no one else till Andreas stepped up.
There is even a request for membership dating from 2021 still pending approval.

What I fail to understand is the lack of communication from the owner/members of the WiCD project team.
eg:
We do not have any time or willingness to further develop/maintain WiCD and as a result the project will be permanently archived as of mm/yyyy.
If interested in continuing development/maintenance of the WiCD project, please contact us so we can transfer the licence and control of the code/repository.

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... advantage of getting that code away from Microsoft's (github) control.

Indeed.
Would be a very good thing the whole thing moved away from github.

Best,

A.

#552 Re: DIY » wicd is back from the dead » 2024-09-17 00:22:42

Hello:

golinux wrote:

Andreas Messer is no stranger to Devuan.

Or to me ... 8^)
We exchaged quite a few emails with respect to WiCD and testing back in 2022.

Best,

A.

#553 Re: DIY » wicd is back from the dead » 2024-09-16 23:18:05

Hello:

dl1ps wrote:

... that Takahiro Yoshizawa will donate his work to the official branch ...
... that Andreas will accept the code for mainline.

I don't have much of a clue as to all that would entail.
eg: with respect to the person listed as the owner of the project or the people listed as active members of the 'Wicd-devel' team.

Andreas Messer joined in 09/2021 and started to work on the WiCD project which, to all intents and purposes, had been dead-in-the-water since the bugfixing release (1.7.3 - 12/2014) authored by Pieter Leclerc who, for whatever reason, is not listed as a member of the team.

Things probably got complicated for Andreas and in spite of all his efforts nothing much happened till now but in all fairness, he seems to be the only active member of the WiCD project since 04/2012 with the release of 1.7.2 by David Paleino.
ie: over 12 years ...

With the publishing of the python2 -> python3 work done by Takahiro Yoshizawa, WiCD is now back in the spotlight. 
Kudos to him for that.

Hopefully, the WiCD project will soon be put under new management (or forked?) and, in time, recover its place in the Debian/Devuan repositories.

And in all my Devuan installations, where it is sorely missed.

Best,

A.

#554 Re: DIY » wicd is back from the dead » 2024-09-15 15:38:34

Hello:

dl1ps wrote:

... happy like a child ...

That > | makes > | two > | of > | us!

And probably many more.
I know four members from Dev1. 

dl1ps wrote:

... how to thank hanaguro ...

I'm not sure but it seems (?) hanaguro may be Takahiro Yoshizawa's handle.
(see authors list to the right of the page)

He is the author (launchpad) of every commit from 2024-06-05 onwards.
He has been busy,

dl1ps wrote:

Now I have to find out how to thank hanaguro ...

I had an UbuntuOne account from long ago and logged in but found no way to contact the chap.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Best,

A.

#555 Re: Off-topic » systemd "professors" comment non-systemd fedora-based distro » 2024-09-13 12:11:38

Hello:

amaro wrote:

... from "professors" who haven't tried the distro

Surprised?

old.reddit.com wrote:

"Genuine question, what's the issue with systemd in terms of reliability for a day to day desktop focused distro?"

Indeed ...
As genuine as a wooden nutmeg.

Best,

A.

#556 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] deb.devuan.org doesn't respond » 2024-09-13 11:57:58

Hello:

Andre4freedom wrote:

NetworkManager resets the resolv.conf file ...

Quite so.

Andre4freedom wrote:

... the ISP's problem.

No.
It is the default behaviour for NetworkManager.  8^°

man networkmanager.conf wrote:

--- snip ---
dns
       Set the DNS (resolv.conf) processing mode.

       default: The default if the key is not specified. NetworkManager will update
       resolv.conf to reflect the nameservers provided by currently active connections.

       dnsmasq: NetworkManager will run dnsmasq as a local caching nameserver, using a "split
       DNS" configuration if you are connected to a VPN, and then update resolv.conf to point
       to the local nameserver.

       none: NetworkManager will not modify resolv.conf.
--- snip ---

https://people.freedesktop.org/~lkundra … .conf.html

See these two posts for a solution:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47932#p47932
and
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/517 … esolv-conf

Best,

A.

#557 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] deb.devuan.org doesn't respond » 2024-09-12 16:24:43

Hello:

~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf 
# Generated by NetworkManager
search home
nameserver 192.168.1.1
nameserver 2a02:1210:3236:f500:a2b5:49ff:feb7:9ea0
~$ 

Right ...
Let's try something.

As sudo, please edit resolv.conf so that it ends up like this:

~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf 
# Generated by NetworkManager
# search home
#
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 8.8.4.4
#
# nameserver 192.168.1.1
# nameserver 2a02:1210:3236:f500:a2b5:49ff:feb7:9ea0
~$ 

Save the file, reboot and see if your problem is still there.
If things work, now you know that you have some DNS configuration problem.

TL;DR
192.168.1.1 is (most probably) a/your router's IP address.
2a02:1210:3236:f500:a2b5:49ff:feb7:9ea0 is a valid IPv6 address but I cannot say what it belongs to, maybe the router also.

You can check it here: http://sqa.fyicenter.com/1000334_IPv6_A … idator.htm

By editing resolv.conf you will have set Google's DNS servers as nameservers for your box and things should work as expected now.
Bear in mind that Google's DNS servers are not the only ones you can use, you can also use your service provider's DNS servers or freely available public DNS servers.

Let us know how you fared with this.

Best,

A.

#558 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] deb.devuan.org doesn't respond » 2024-09-12 14:45:30

Hello:

Andre4freedom wrote:

traceroute never responds ...

Hmm ...
Could you please post the output of:

$ cat /etc/resolv.conf

Thanks.

Best,

A.

#559 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Pinta is no longer in repositories » 2024-09-12 11:17:41

Hello:

Shlwh wrote:

... new to this forum.

Welcome to Dev1.

Shlwh wrote:

... install Pinta but it is currently only in the archived repositories ...

Packages in the Devuan repositories come directly from the Debian repositories 'as they are' unless they need to be sanitized/fixed because of their needing systemd. If for whatever reason that cannot be done, the package is then banned from Devuan repositories.

See: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages

devuan.org/os/packages wrote:

Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc, should not be used directly.

If Pinta was once available for Devuan, it must have been (at some point) available in the Debian repositories.
ie: if it is not in the Debian repositories, it will not be in the Devuan repositories either.

The Pinta package seems to have been removed from Debian unstable last year.
See:
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1448883 … -unstable/

Probably because of a bug, cannot really say.
See:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … ug=1041606

Package: ftp.debian.org
Severity: normal
User: ftp.debian.org@packages.debian.org
Usertags: remove
Control: affects -1 + src:pinta

Please remove pinta. It is RC-buggy and was not contained in several
releases. It depends on gtk2. There are several new upstream releases
which nobody cared to import to fix the RC issue.

But it is not in their repositories any longer.
See:
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pinta

Maybe contacting the package maintainer will get you more information.
See: https://www.pinta-project.com/contact

Best,

A.

#560 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] deb.devuan.org doesn't respond » 2024-09-12 10:22:00

Hello:

Andre4freedom wrote:

deb.devuan.org remains blocking ...

Still good here:

~$ date
Thu Sep 12 07:07:39 -03 2024
~$ 
~$ ping deb.devuan.org
PING deb.rr.devuan.org (95.216.15.86) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from megumin.packet-gain.de (95.216.15.86): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=257 ms
64 bytes from megumin.packet-gain.de (95.216.15.86): icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=257 ms
--- snip ---
--- deb.rr.devuan.org ping statistics ---
12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 12187ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 256.589/256.769/256.948/0.120 ms
~$

As you can see, a ping to deb.devuan.org will act on deb.rr.devuan.org which would indicate that it is (?) working correctly.   

Does a traceroute from this end of the world render any useful data?

~$ traceroute deb.devuan.org
traceroute to deb.devuan.org (103.146.168.12), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.755 ms  1.706 ms  1.672 ms
 2  XXX.XX.XXX.X (XXX.XX.XXX.X)  3.094 ms  3.149 ms  3.125 ms
 3  10.192.4.36 (10.192.4.36)  3.152 ms  3.430 ms  3.947 ms
 4  * * *
 5  176.52.255.29 (176.52.255.29)  132.642 ms 10.192.17.1 (10.192.17.1)  4.898 ms 176.52.255.29 (176.52.255.29)  132.540 ms
 6  213.140.39.116 (213.140.39.116)  4.794 ms *  1.374 ms
 7  * 176.52.255.29 (176.52.255.29)  121.977 ms  127.727 ms
 8  * ix-be-26.ecore1.mln-miami.as6453.net (66.110.72.30)  120.381 ms *
 9  if-ae-45-2.tcore1.mln-miami.as6453.net (63.243.152.34)  148.806 ms  148.678 ms *
10  if-bundle-37-2.qcore1.mln-miami.as6453.net (66.110.9.112)  149.087 ms * *
11  if-ae-45-2.tcore1.mln-miami.as6453.net (63.243.152.34)  148.287 ms  147.865 ms  147.742 ms
12  * if-bundle-2-2.qcore2.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.87.9)  148.239 ms *
13  if-ae-12-2.tcore4.njy-newark.as6453.net (66.198.155.33)  148.661 ms *  149.464 ms
14  if-ae-1-3.tcore3.njy-newark.as6453.net (216.6.57.5)  147.936 ms * *
15  if-ae-12-2.tcore4.njy-newark.as6453.net (66.198.155.33)  148.054 ms 209.58.124.6 (209.58.124.6)  343.277 ms if-ae-12-2.tcore4.njy-newark.as6453.net (66.198.155.33)  149.337 ms
16  * * *
17  121.240.236.6.static-Delhi.vsnl.net.in (121.240.236.6)  354.318 ms  354.241 ms 209.58.124.6 (209.58.124.6)  343.408 ms
18  103.196.223.166 (103.196.223.166)  355.967 ms  356.725 ms  354.336 ms
19  121.240.236.6.static-Delhi.vsnl.net.in (121.240.236.6)  355.794 ms 103.146.168.12.ipacct.in (103.146.168.12)  363.173 ms  361.877 ms
~$ 

Best,

A.

#561 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] deb.devuan.org doesn't respond » 2024-09-11 15:40:29

Hello:

Andre4freedom wrote:

... something wrong?

No, at least not where I am:

~$ date
Wed Sep 11 12:37:42 -03 2024
~$
~$ sudo apt update
---- snip --- 
Get:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease [43.0 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates InRelease [33.4 kB]
Get:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease [33.2 kB]
Get:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus/main i386 Packages [8931 kB]
Get:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus/main amd64 Packages [9043 kB]
Get:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates/main i386 Packages [2488 B]
Get:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates/main amd64 Packages [2492 B]
Fetched 18.1 MB in 7s (2663 kB/s)                                                                                                                     
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it.
~$ 

Also, have a look here.
May have to do with connman, dnsproxy and how they interact.

Best,

A.

#562 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Devuan bug #858 - just a heads-up » 2024-09-05 12:30:06

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... FUD whether you accept it or not.

In my opinion, the concept of FUD is to a great extent and to say the least, subjective.
ie: without a proper evaluation of intent, purpose and context labelling something as FUD can be quite difficult if not risky.

To wit:
Alter Kim's post at the [devuan-dev] list was thoughtfully replied to by Mark Hindley (arguably Devuan's most prominent member) with a follow up by member tempforever with the addition of more information.

In both instances without any mention of FUD spreading and such. ie: intent, purpose and context were evidently considered.

In a rather surprising follow up, my post here at Dev1 in which I cited the OPs post was met with a rather different demeanor, even after my posting a reply with an explanation of sorts.

@ralph.ronnquist
While I have the utmost respect for your knowledge and contrbution to the Dev1 project, I cannot but strongly disagree with your characterisation of my post as FUD.

So I'll leave this at that and (as far as I am concerned) agree to disagree, so to speak.

Best,

A.

#563 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Devuan bug #858 - just a heads-up » 2024-09-05 01:02:40

Hello:

golinux wrote:

A "bug report" is not necessarily a "bug".

Indeed ...

I was citing a post at [devuan-dev] and thought it was something to be taken into account.
See: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … a8.en.html

But also this:

altoid wrote:

Like the subject reads, this is just a heads-up on my behalf.
I know zilch about all this ie: is it really a concern?
--- snip ---
Opinions/suggestions on how to proceed from those who understand this better are welcome.

I think my post is a very (very) long way from even the possibility of being characterised as the spreading of FUD.
Or anything of the sort.

Same for the OP at [devuan-dev] who clearly acted in good faith and did his research
I did not see his post characterised as FUD by anyone there.

Quite the contrary.

As for me, after over seven years and 1.527 posts at Dev1 ...
FUD?

Do lighten up. 8^P !!!

Best,

A.

#564 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Devuan bug #858 - just a heads-up » 2024-09-04 12:11:56

Hello:

Delgado wrote:

Affected is version 6.7 or earlier ...

The article at arstechnica makes reference to an issue from ~15 years ago, (apparently) still unpatched.

If so, yes.
If it is from as far back as 2019, it would affect Devuan from Jesse onwards.

Best,

A.

#565 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Devuan bug #858 - just a heads-up » 2024-09-04 11:38:59

Hello:

sg1 wrote:

thanks ...
... we'll keep watching ...

You're welcome.

Concurrently with the bug report to Devuan, this was posted to the [devuan-dev] list.
So I expect that comments/clarifications will get posted there first.

I wonder ...

Does this only affect Devuan? Debian is not affected?

Best,

A.

#566 Installation » [SOLVED] Devuan bug #858 - just a heads-up » 2024-09-04 10:36:57

Altoid
Replies: 13

Hello:

Just received this.

My box runs on Devuan Daedalus, upgraded yesterday to 6.1.106-3:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 6.1.0-25-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.106-3 (2024-08-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

I ran the test and it seems my system suffers from this bug*:
*?

~$ ssh -G 2>&1 | grep -e illegal -e unknown > /dev/null && echo "System clean" || echo "System infected"
System infected
~$ uname -a

Like the subject reads, this is just a heads-up on my behalf.
I know zilch about all this ie: is it really a concern?
So I'll have to start reading up on it now, but not after I take my daily ration of espresso. 8^°

Opinions/suggestions on how to proceed from those who understand this better are welcome.
In any case, my workstation has no ssh access (port 22 closed), only the headless VM running PiHole+Unbound.

Thanks in advance,

A.

#567 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] This morning's apt update » 2024-09-03 11:27:48

Hello:

Nothing looks amiss ...
... Daedalus is running fine.

Same here.

Maybe the reason is that all these updated packages only work properly on/with 6.1.0-25.
ie: not the previous version 6.1.0-23

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#568 Installation » [SOLVED] This morning's apt update » 2024-09-03 10:20:00

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

An odd question, if I may ...

My box runs on Devuan Daedalus:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 6.1.0-23-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.99-1 (2024-07-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

I keep it up to date by checking with apt at least once a week and my upgrades are usually for few packages.

This morning my sudo apt update revealed an unusual (?) number of packages to update:

~$ sudo apt update
--- snip ---
Fetched 67.1 MB in 21s (3147 kB/s)                                                                                                                    
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
67 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.    # 67 packages
~$ 

I don't recall ever having seen this save when updating a system that had gone more than a few months without an update.
According to /var/log/apt/history.log my last update was on 20243108 when only four packages were updated.

Start-Date: 2024-08-31  07:16:44
Commandline: apt upgrade
Requested-By: user (1000)
Upgrade: libjavascriptcoregtk-4.1-0:amd64 (2.44.2-1~deb12u1, 2.44.3-1~deb12u1), libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18:amd64 (2.44.2-1~deb12u1, 2.44.3-1~deb12u1), libwebkit2gtk-4.1-0:amd64 (2.44.2-1~deb12u1, 2.44.3-1~deb12u1), libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37:amd64 (2.44.2-1~deb12u1, 2.44.3-1~deb12u1)
End-Date: 2024-08-31  07:16:49

Is anything amiss, did something happen to trigger such a large package update?
Or is it because of linux-headers-6.1.0-25-amd64 | linux-headers-6.1.0-25-common | linux-image-6.1.0-25-amd64?

Just asking.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#569 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » tuir python3 issue » 2024-08-30 18:51:04

Hello:

amaro wrote:

... after upgrading to 'excalibur' 'tuir' stopped working.

Offhand, I can see two issues here:

1.
Assuming that 'tuir' was working in Devuan Daedalus (the Devuan stable suite) the first thing to consider is that Devuan Excalibur is the Devuan testing suite. ie: these things are actually expected to happen. 

2.
There is no package named tuir in any of the Devuan repositories.
Or in the Debian repositories.

There are packages by that name in other distribution's repositories.
https://repology.org/project/tuir/versions

From the printout (just guessing) I think there may be something wrong with the application's python scripts.
Or the python version 'tuir' needs to work properly.

eg:
My Daedalus installation has python3/stable,now 3.11.2-1+b1 where as from the printout, it seems that the Excalibur installation uses 3.12.5. 

Best,

A.

#570 Re: Installation » gnuinos-5 gsshaskpass missing » 2024-08-28 23:05:03

Hello:

klein wrote:

think this is him

Apparently so.

From what I can see his last post was on 2024-07-06, over a month ago.
Drop him an email, he'll show up eventually.
Maybe he's on vacation. (?)

Best,

A.

#571 Re: Installation » gnuinos-5 gsshaskpass missing » 2024-08-28 22:08:54

Hello:

Welcome to Dev1.

klein wrote:

... is there any way to fix this ?

Hmm ...
Have you asked at gnuinos about this?

The Devuan Daedalus (stable) repository has a similar package. ie: similar in name and most probably in function.

~$ apt list | grep -i sshaskpass
--- snip ---
ksshaskpass/stable 4:5.27.5-2 amd64    # 'k' instead of 'g'
ksshaskpass/stable 4:5.27.5-2 i386     # 'k' instead of 'g'
~$ 

See here.

pkginfo.devuan.org wrote:

--- snip ---
Description-en:
interactively prompt users for a passphrase for ssh-add
A front-end for ssh-add which stores the password
of the ssh-key in KWallet.
--- snip ---

But gsshaskpass (as you have found) is not in the Devuan repositories.

Notwithstanding, it can be found here.
It was the only hit I got by looking it up with the Google engine.

Read.me -> Gsshaskpass wrote:

Gsshaskpass
gsshaskpass is a gui dialog for ssh-agent.
To use it set SSH_ASKPASS to the gsshaskpass bin.

export SSH_ASKPASS=~/bin/gsshaskpass

Dependencies
gtk v3.10 or greater.

Does not appear to be a *.deb package, it has to be built from source.

There's one important note at the gnuinos web page which you should be taking into account:

gnuinos.org wrote:

--- snip ---
As in the devuan scenario, gnuinos package repositories are exclusive as well, that is to say they
shouldn't be mixed with other apt-based repositories, including Devuan, Debian, Ubuntu and the like.
--- snip ---

It would seem that gsshaskpass does more or less the same thing ksshaskpass does but I cannot speculate further.
I'd say the people at gnuinos may have the answer to your question.

Best,

A.

#572 Re: Devuan » Issues with the repo? » 2024-08-27 22:30:28

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

... no connman, network manager.

I see.

greenjeans wrote:

... miss wicd.

Yes, me too.
I found it to be the best of all the network applications back in the time and I still think it is, by a good measure.

[OT]
I once contacted all (9) active members of the 'Wicd-devel' team to ask about what their plans were or to at least (instead of posting ambiguities) make it clear that the project was abandoned/dead in the water and ask for someone to take over but to no avail. My emails were not well received so I gave up.
Other people here have tried to get it up and running but something happened on the way there and they gave up/were not able to do much, don't know why.
[/OT]

Best,

A.

#573 Re: Devuan » Issues with the repo? » 2024-08-27 20:15:00

Hello:

You are probably using connman. (?)

If so, see here.

There is an explanation to the origin of the issue, somewhere here at Dev1.
Can't find it now.  8^/

Best,

A.

#574 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » X server - signal 4 (illegal instruction) loading glamoregl » 2024-08-27 10:58:41

Hello:

stultumanto wrote:

... old nvidia card to work reliably on the testing branch may be asking too much.

Indeed.

You do know that Devuan Excalibur is a testing suite, unlike Devuan Daedalus which is a stable suite, yes?

Getting from testing to stable takes time.
And (needless to say) a lot of work from the developers/maintainers.
ie: many, many updates and tests to run, rinse / repeat, etc.

So yes, I fully agree with you.
Expecting a testing suite to work without any issues is asking too much.

That said, my old Sun Ultra 24 workstation (ca. 2007) runs on Devuan Daedalus with a pair of old Nvidia Quadro FX580 (ca. 2009) using nouveau2/stable 2.4.114-1+b1 and picom/stable 9.1-1 (much better than compton) to feed tree old 19" monitors: a pair of SyncMaster 940n and a Dell 1914S.

~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i glamor
[    32.394] (II) Loading sub module "glamoregl"
[    32.394] (II) LoadModule: "glamoregl"
[    32.394] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so
[    32.404] (II) Module glamoregl: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    33.104] (II) modeset(0): glamor X acceleration enabled on NV96
[    33.104] (II) modeset(0): glamor initialized
[    33.293] (II) Loading sub module "glamoregl"
[    33.293] (II) LoadModule: "glamoregl"
[    33.293] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so
[    33.293] (II) Module glamoregl: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    33.303] (II) modeset(G0): glamor X acceleration enabled on NV96
[    33.303] (II) modeset(G0): glamor initialized
~$ 

Best,

A.

#575 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to a phone via USB. » 2024-08-11 13:22:34

Hello:

Mike-thinky wrote:

Thanks ...

You're welcome.

Mike-thinky wrote:

... the family sort of IT expert ...

Been there, done that.
But always steered clear of anything Apple and these days anything Android.
Unless it is mine to screw up if things end up awry.

Far too easy to do and not precisely by chance. In Android, it is all obscured by design.

Mike-thinky wrote:

... try adb to see where that gets me.

Odds are (100/1) are that your phone does not have Developer Options / USB debugging enabled, without which adb is useless.
It is, of course, usually done via the touch screen.  8^/

Check this page at XDA forums for that.
There is a lot of very useful data on that site, you have to thoroughly comb through it to find what you need.

Be aware that in many cases you may come up empty-handed. eg: rebranded OEM Android devices for odd brands / unpublished specs and such. And that only sometimes you will get feedback, but don't expect much.

Please let us know the outcome, be it success or failure.

Best,

A.

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