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@Altoid . . . many years ago even I built a package using HowTo Build a Package from Source the Smart Way from the Debian forums. It is a classic and the last post was 2022 so I'm hopeful it might still work. Seems it has been adapted for python3 which is encouraging . . .
Can't edit the OP though.
I will be happy to edit your first post once you have the URL in place. ![]()
But your website https://github.com/OpenMATE-Desktop-Environment is still a "404 Page not found"!
Sinking boat? Famous book? You lost me . . .
There are actually 3 options. You forgot about actually DOING SOMETHING besides talking about it.
Optimism and pessimism are a fool's pastime. It is beneficial action in the present that can move mountains . . ..
Never fear! pkgd may be on the horizon!!
Sorry couldn't resist . . . ![]()
Thank you boughtonp! Don't know whether that was a just-out-of bed or senior moment. Sorry for the misread and the noise. I'll go stand in a corner now . . . ![]()
Sorry for the misread . . .
@GlennW . . . Please, no guilt! Social interactions are part of what makes a community special. If they end up in the wrong place, they are easy enough to move. Please let us know if you see something that is out of place and we'll take care of it.
Yeah . . . guilty as charged! Title made sense to me. Happy to hear you approve!
Memory is just detritus that clogs the mind . . . there is only the present moment . . . ![]()
You are too clever!
@rolfie . . . You beat me to it! Well done!!! ![]()
@chomwitt . . . It seems you are misunderstanding my intentions in posting that article. We are actually on the same page regarding the trajectory and cost of such contrived "progress". That is the story of human history and should come as no surprise . . . greed, hubris and ultimately self-destruction. That is the human way . . .
You are in charge here . . .
It just happens that I picked the short straw because I have more time to be online than the other mods . . . ![]()
Is what you want not available from https://arm-files.devuan.org/
@aluma . . . All the niceties needed to pimp out your posts are available on this line above the "Quick reply" and "Post reply" write options:
Quick reply - [ u] [ b] [ i] [ c] [ del] [ ins] [ em] [ color][ h] [ code] [ quote] [ url] [ list] [ *]
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Yeah . . . I didn't quite catch that. Thanks.
Everybody has their way of doing things and any change is guaranteed upset someone.
I was both surprised and delighted to find that function missing when I wanted to use it myself a few weeks ago but I adjusted and am happy with the overall improvement to readability of this forum. It is easy enough to assign the quote to a specific user and c/p any needed text.
Game money and gpu money is currently in the driving seat . . .
Perhaps you'd want to add this to your equation . . . It is research from a colleague on a global list of GMO watchdogs for decades. Nvidia seems to have more than a few fingers in this pie and I thought you might find that connection interesting. I will post the introduction here:
This longer post below is the first in what will likely be a two-part essay on how the worlds of artificial life (Synthetic Biology) and artificial Intelligence are rapidly merging. Its a topic I’ve been trying to puzzle out as a member of the UN’s Multidisciplinary Ad Hoc Technical Expert Group (mAHTEG) on Synthetic Biology. I’ll explain a bit about both Syn Bio and AI below but I’ve come to see that there are broadly 3 ways in which developments in these fields are converging - into what my friend Pat Mooney snappily calls “DNAI” - and I think the significances of that convergence are huge.
Firstly, There’s the way that Artificial Intelligence tools (such as generative AI) are being used to design synthetic organisms or synthetic biological ‘parts’ such as DNA and proteins including so-called ‘alt-proteins’. I call this ‘When AI bots do genetic engineering’ - and thats the ‘part 1’ essay shared below.
Secondly , Synthetic Biology is being increasingly used to design organisms as a component of bigger cyber-physical systems driven by AI and algorithmic decision-making. The example I will write about from digital agriculture is what I call ‘robot-ready crops’ . These are crops genetically engineered to emit different signals that can be interpreted by AI systems to direct autonomous agricultural machinery.
Thirdly, We are also seeing synthetically engineered biological organisms and parts become the substrate for AI computation itself - so called ‘biocomputing’. Instead of using silicon chips to compute, DNA or other cellular processes can carry out computation which is promised as a ‘low energy’ computing option. One arresting example from the past year is the emergence of organoid computing where lab-grown brain cells are now being cultured as AI computers.
I’ll deal with the second and third areas in a post yet to come.
The big questions of course cross all three areas: eg. what does this mean for nature?, for our economies and peoples livelihoods?, for safety?, governance? for who we are in the world and how we relate to each other? etc etc.
There might also be usrmerge related issues before the dust settles and some could be quite annoying . . .
Devuan is a great derivatve of Debian w/o systemd, and nothing more, it won't save the world. The Devuan team is small and just capable of doing a great job of supplying replacements for some packages that need alternatives. But they can't save the FOSS world from changing. And changes not related to systemd that drip down from Debian may simply need to be accepted (e.g. this su - issue, usrmerge ... )
Thank you for "getting it" rolfie!
Just earlier today on IRC, this from LeePen clarifying the path for Devuan users to take:
<LeePen> golinux: the solution for end users is to install usrmerge.
Caveat is that it has to be done in a certain order and there may currently be bugs/inconsistencies during the transition. While many have had no issue doing so, I am staying in the safe harbor of Chimaera or Daedalus until the kinks get worked out and the dust settles . . .
PS @brocashelm . . . FWIW . . . I get no asterisk using the the quote button on this forum.
I was suggesting you replace the post that you deleted. No more. No less.
Touche! ![]()
Seems I hit a nerve. FWIW . . . the rage quit and deletion was completely unnecessary and deprives the forum of your thoughts which had value historically if not practically. I hope that you will reinstate it. Problem is that unless there is coordinated ACTION, yes in code, your words merely serve as a postmortem.
Perhaps someone should interact with the folks still putting out the X11 advisories that Altoid has been posting to see what they are planning for X11's future. Their thoughts could be very useful to gauge where things are going at the source . . .
There is a thread on this forum about deb.sury.org that has been running for years. The last post was in December 2023. This post, mentions "If using sury.org's repo one will need to install "systemd-standalone-tmpfiles" beforehand". I have no idea what that file does but having "systemd" in a file name is a mental but not necessarily a technical issue in Devuan. Please have a look at Why are systemd files present in Devuan?. Apologies if this is just noise . . .
That happened some weeks ago and yours is the first post mentioning it afaicr. Everyone has adapted quite nicely and the posts have been much easier to follow without all the unnecessary clutter of repetition. There is a quote button available in the line at the top of the reply and quick reply functions. ![]()