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#501 Re: Other Issues » policykit-1, polkit, polkitd authentication problems » 2017-06-07 03:24:22

Bummer. Sorry to hear. I wish I knew more about polkit so that I could be of more help.

I hope your clean install of 2.0 goes smoother.

#502 Re: Other Issues » policykit-1, polkit, polkitd authentication problems » 2017-06-06 16:44:09

I had many problems with polkit (including the USB mount-unmount and "unable to determine the session" issues) when I tried running Devuan Jessie without a display manager. After many hours of troubleshooting and trial-and-error--over several days--I gave up and gave lightdm a shot.

Well, all the problems vanished once lightdm was installed. I feel mildly bad for not actually learning enough about polkit to manually fix the problems, but on the upside I got fully operational and put a stop to my headache and hair loss.

What DE and what (if any) display manager are you using? If you are not currently using a display manager, may I suggest you give lightdm a shot? If it solves your polkit-related problems, you can easily configure lightdm for autologin and it will stay completely out of your way.

#503 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-05 18:14:34

@golinux: A disadvantage of GNU Icecat, given your reason for looking at alternatives, is that it tracks Firefox versions.

@pekman: I tried Pale Moon and am quite impressed. Thank you for the recommendation. My mini-review:

- it is free software (MPL 2.0)
- there is a portable, distro-agnostic version for linux (the bzipped tarball available here: http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline)
- the bzipped tarball worked out of the box for me, including sound and video
- Pale Moon was forked from Firefox years ago, so no recent or future Firefox shenanigans to worry about
- it is compatible with any Firefox plugin that works in Firefox 24 (see http://www.palemoon.org/faq.shtml)
- note that user profile is saved to "~/.moonchild productions" and not ~/.palemoon as one might expect

I predict Pale Moon will be my default browser when Firefox runs off the cliff.

#504 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-05 15:00:06

FOSSuser wrote:

It isn't FOSS, as such, as it is being controlled by a specific group of people or a business concern.

A simpler way to know if it is free software or not is to discover* the software's license, then check this list: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

The intent of the software developer comes to a point in the chosen license. Software under a free license = free software.

* Hopefully the license is prominently listed on the project's website. Not finding the license on the project's website is usually a bad sign, but not always. If you can't find the license on the project's website, check Wikipedia. If Wikipedia has an article about the project, the license will be right in the infobox.

#505 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-06-05 14:13:21

Being free software is a must-have for me--I just cannot trust an internet-facing "blackbox" running on my system. Vivaldi is proprietary software, unfortunately.

Here's a short list of free software alternatives available today:

- GNU Icecat
- Waterfox
- Chromium*

* Being made by Google, I'd only use Chromium as an absolute last resort. Remember, your browsing data is Google's main "product".

P.S. In general, when looking for "alternatives to X software", I always go back to this resource: https://prism-break.org/en/
(Unfortunately, in the GNU/Linux section, Web Browsers subsection, Firefox currently is their main recommendation.)

#506 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Software Alternative to "xbindkeys" with Alt+Tab Support? (Wayland) » 2017-06-02 23:28:13

I'm not too worried. We have a critical mass of smart, freedom-loving folk in the GNU/Linux community who value traditional workflows (e.g., Devuan developers), so we'll figure something out when we get there. I myself will roll up my sleeves and figure it out if need be. Sorry I can't be more helpful at this point--I only looked into this cursorily.

I have never actually used Wayland yet. Truth is I have absolutely no complaints regarding X11, so will put off Wayland for as long as I possibly can (forever if possible).

#507 Re: Other Issues » What is best way to install latest version of Firefox? » 2017-06-02 19:51:08

golinux wrote:

Don't get angry.  Get busy and create an alternative.

Totally agree.

I have been busy switching to and supporting Devuan smile Will continue to get the word out, contribute financially, and help out here in the forum.

#508 Re: Other Issues » What is best way to install latest version of Firefox? » 2017-06-02 19:34:28

This is wrong and it makes me angry.

Why not just scrap GNU/Linux? All the world needs is Windows, MacOS, and GNU/systemd. Even then, our overlords at Redmond, Cupertino, and Red Hat may get together and decide that with these three OSs we still have too much choice.

#509 Re: Other Issues » What is best way to install latest version of Firefox? » 2017-06-02 19:20:08

Spass wrote:

(Note: New versions of Firefox (52 and up) require PulseAudio for audio playback, see here.)

Is this a bad joke? I hope so. The linked-to page says nothing about PulseAudio.

#510 Re: Other Issues » What is best way to install latest version of Firefox? » 2017-06-02 18:39:33

@hughparker1: You don't need sudo to make it executable. Also, for security reasons I recommend not running any web browser as superuser. As to what directory to put the AppImage in, it is completely up to you--an AppImage does not require installation and contains everything it needs inside that one file, which can be run from any directory. It is truly a "portable application".

In case any newbies need a more explicit step-by-step of what to do from the command line:

dest_dir="$HOME/bin" # dest_dir can be anything you want
mkdir -p "$dest_dir"
cd "$dest_dir"
wget https://bintray.com/probono/AppImages/download_file?file_path=Firefox-53.0.2.glibc2.3.4-x86_64.AppImage -O Firefox53.AppImage
chmod a+x Firefox53.AppImage
./Firefox53.AppImage

At that point, you will be asked whether you would like a .desktop file (~/.local/share/applications/appimagekit-firefox.desktop) to be created automatically for you so that you can run the Firefox appimage directly from your applications menu.

That's it smile At the most, you will be adding a single additional file to your system (either ~/.local/share/applications/appimagekit-firefox.desktop or a little marker file called ~/.local/share/appimagekit/Firefox_no_desktopintegration).

The advantage of using AppImages is the extreme simplicity of one app = one file. The only disadvantage I can think of is not having the convenience of getting security fixes through your package manager.

P.S. In case you'd like to see what's contained inside the AppImage:

./Firefox53.AppImage --appimage-extract

#511 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Software Alternative to "xbindkeys" with Alt+Tab Support? (Wayland) » 2017-06-02 13:00:25

Xbindkeys is the most important application on my system--everything I do involves keyboard shortcuts, and using xbindkeys to store the keybindings in a text file is vastly superior to most DE's clunky GUI approach.

Alas, I've looked into this question and could not find an xbindkeys equivalent for Wayland. Honestly, I think the shiny-new-toy makers working on Wayland don't give a hoot about graybeards whose workflow revolves around "obsolete" physical keyboards.

My prediction is that first Wayland will see widespread adoption, then people like us will develop an xbindkeys replacement.

#512 Re: Off-topic » Xfwm4 (and Openbox) Window Themes » 2017-06-01 14:59:14

smoki wrote:

current MATE upstream is all gtk3.

Thanks for the info, smoki. Sad to hear. Fortunately, as long as Devuan follows a fixed release model, I won't have to fix theme breakages more than once every few years. I can live with that.

#513 Re: Off-topic » Xfwm4 (and Openbox) Window Themes » 2017-06-01 14:26:52

@golinux: I read the link you posted and was shocked by the magnitude of the GTK3 problem. It makes me sad that this commercial mindset has a foothold in GNU/Linux. Seems that the systemd developers and the GNOME/GTK developers are birds of a feather.

MATE has been my DE of choice. Do you know whether the MATE version in ASCII is GTK3-based? If so, I can imagine the themes I've been using for last few years will become useless. I thought MATE would be a safe haven from the disease showcased in the link, but if they're using GTK then they're beholden to whatever the GTK developers do.

#514 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » dropped wifi connections on both wicd and network-manager » 2017-05-31 13:04:50

I'm still having dropped wifi connections at least daily, despite using nohwcrypt=1.

Nevertheless, this may be a red herring and totally unrelated to Devuan, wicd, or network-manager: Our VPN provider made some recent changes right around the time I switched to Devuan. I have updated the VPN configuration in our routers.

Sorry for the noise.

#515 Re: Other Issues » What is the easiest way to install systemd? » 2017-05-31 12:50:53

I just don't understand these Devuan graybeards. Why would anybody would want to setup shutdown jobs this way:

# This goes in /etc/init.d/hook-for-my-shutdown-jobs
[ "$1" = "stop" ] && /opt/scripts/my-shutdown-jobs

When one can can do it this way instead:

# This goes in /etc/systemd/system/hook-for-my-shutdown-jobs
[Unit]
Description=Run shutdown scripts

[Service]
Type=oneshot
RemainAfterExit=true
ExecStart=/bin/true
ExecStop=/opt/scripts/my-shutdown-jobs

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

Making even trivial tasks complex makes me feel smart.

#516 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] update-alternatives warning: broken link group? » 2017-05-30 20:16:32

Thanks, smoki. Yes, I figured the culprit was between the screen and the chair wink

I will keep an eye on this and make sure it runs warning- and error-free. If I figure out what I did to cause the breakage and if it turns out to be something interesting, I'll post it here.

#517 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] update-alternatives warning: broken link group? » 2017-05-30 19:43:19

The update-alternatives man page said this command would fix all breakages...

yes '' | sudo update-alternatives --force --all

...and, indeed, all the warnings went away after running the command smile Nevertheless, it would still be nice to understand what the warnings meant.

#518 Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] update-alternatives warning: broken link group? » 2017-05-30 18:49:12

GNUser
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Does anybody know the meaning of the two warnings below? I think they are benign since everything on my system is working as far as I can tell, but if something is truly broken then I'd like to fix it for good housekeeping's sake.

bruno@devuan:~$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
There are 2 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing /usr/bin/x-www-browser).

  Selection    Path                  Priority   Status
------------------------------------------------------------
* 0            /usr/bin/firefox-esr   70        auto mode
  1            /usr/bin/chromium      40        manual mode
  2            /usr/bin/firefox-esr   70        manual mode

Press enter to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number: # I press Enter to keep current choice
update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/bin/firefox-esr because link group x-www-browser is broken
update-alternatives: warning: not replacing /usr/share/man/man1/x-www-browser.1.gz with a link

P.S. This happens with several applications, but not all. Configuring x-terminal-emulator, for instance, produces no warnings.

#519 Re: Other Issues » What is best way to install latest version of Firefox? » 2017-05-29 23:43:34

1. Download the latest Firefox*.AppImage (available here: https://bintray.com/probono/AppImages/F … .3.4#files)
2. Make it executable
3. Run it and enjoy

#520 Re: DIY » automatically disable screensaver during video (incl. web browser) » 2017-05-29 00:05:06

@malinas: Yes, that is a limitation of the script as written. I don't listen to music at the computer, so that wasn't an issue for me. It would be trivial, however, to add some logic to *not* send the nudge if audacious (or any other application used specifically for listening to music) is running.

@smoki: Indeed, LCDs have no need of screensaver--I have xscreensaver on my daily driver laptop only for ornamental purposes. On the other hand, I have an old laptop that I converted into a media player (including IR receiver!) which lives permanently connected to a 60'' plasma TV. In this case, a reliable screensaver is an absolute must-have. Since I started using this script, I no longer have to depend on a manual process to turn screensaver off and on when watching videos in a web browser.

#521 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable LTS is here!!! » 2017-05-27 13:16:30

Congratulations!

I've used systemd-based distros since switching to GNU/Linux (Arch Linux and Debian 8). Before Devuan, I was only able to write an init service file after hours of research and many head-against-wall impacts.

Being a big fan of the UNIX philosophy and KISS principle, I ditched the other distros and switched to Devuan since it's been in beta. Not only have I never had any issues, Devuan Jessie actually boots faster on my machine than Debian Jessie (I love the irony in that).

Because my init system is no longer an alien, yesterday I wrote my first SysVinit service file after only a few minutes of research. I find SysVinit to be quite elegant and transparent, and am very happy that shell scripting skills do not suddenly become irrelevant when I venture into the bowels of my system. 

I'm really enjoying the combination of a) the greater control SysVinit allows me to exert over my machine and b) the power and convenience of Debian's package management tools and vast repository. Thank you, Devuan.

#522 Re: Devuan » Thanks! » 2017-05-27 10:17:27

I have found a new home in Devuan, too. Know how you feel. Welcome to the form, david!

#523 Re: Off-topic » When Wayland will fully replace the old X11? » 2017-05-26 20:04:04

I hope that either a) the X11 protocol and its cornucopia of tools never die (as Bad Sector suggests) or b) if/when Wayland becomes default, it will offer tools that allow us to do at least as much as we can do with X11.

I rely heavily on desktop environment-agnostic and window manager-agnostic (i.e., highly portable) tools such as xdotool (for GUI automation) and xbindkeys (for keyboard shortcuts). I'd be a miserable GNU/Linux user without these tools or something very similar.

#524 Re: DIY » automatically disable screensaver during video (incl. web browser) » 2017-05-25 14:19:34

Yes, it should work just fine: It doesn't matter if what's generating sound is a video, a game, or a chat. If there is sound, the script keeps screensaver at bay.

#525 Re: DIY » automatically disable screensaver during video (incl. web browser) » 2017-05-25 13:59:05

If you are using a screensaver other than xscreensaver, here is a screensaver-agnostic alternative:

#!/bin/bash

while true; do
	sleep 10
	cat /proc/asound/card*/pcm*/sub*/status | grep RUNNING && xdotool key Pause
done

The Pause key does not seem to do anything at all on my system, and I can use my system normally even if the key is being pressed in the background.

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