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#501 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Quote Button » 2024-01-24 16:11:45
Yeah . . . I didn't quite catch that. Thanks.
Everybody has their way of doing things and any change is guaranteed upset someone.
I was both surprised and delighted to find that function missing when I wanted to use it myself a few weeks ago but I adjusted and am happy with the overall improvement to readability of this forum. It is easy enough to assign the quote to a specific user and c/p any needed text.
#502 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-23 23:51:39
Game money and gpu money is currently in the driving seat . . .
Perhaps you'd want to add this to your equation . . . It is research from a colleague on a global list of GMO watchdogs for decades. Nvidia seems to have more than a few fingers in this pie and I thought you might find that connection interesting. I will post the introduction here:
This longer post below is the first in what will likely be a two-part essay on how the worlds of artificial life (Synthetic Biology) and artificial Intelligence are rapidly merging. Its a topic I’ve been trying to puzzle out as a member of the UN’s Multidisciplinary Ad Hoc Technical Expert Group (mAHTEG) on Synthetic Biology. I’ll explain a bit about both Syn Bio and AI below but I’ve come to see that there are broadly 3 ways in which developments in these fields are converging - into what my friend Pat Mooney snappily calls “DNAI” - and I think the significances of that convergence are huge.
Firstly, There’s the way that Artificial Intelligence tools (such as generative AI) are being used to design synthetic organisms or synthetic biological ‘parts’ such as DNA and proteins including so-called ‘alt-proteins’. I call this ‘When AI bots do genetic engineering’ - and thats the ‘part 1’ essay shared below.
Secondly , Synthetic Biology is being increasingly used to design organisms as a component of bigger cyber-physical systems driven by AI and algorithmic decision-making. The example I will write about from digital agriculture is what I call ‘robot-ready crops’ . These are crops genetically engineered to emit different signals that can be interpreted by AI systems to direct autonomous agricultural machinery.
Thirdly, We are also seeing synthetically engineered biological organisms and parts become the substrate for AI computation itself - so called ‘biocomputing’. Instead of using silicon chips to compute, DNA or other cellular processes can carry out computation which is promised as a ‘low energy’ computing option. One arresting example from the past year is the emergence of organoid computing where lab-grown brain cells are now being cultured as AI computers.
I’ll deal with the second and third areas in a post yet to come.
The big questions of course cross all three areas: eg. what does this mean for nature?, for our economies and peoples livelihoods?, for safety?, governance? for who we are in the world and how we relate to each other? etc etc.
#503 Re: Other Issues » System starts without modules following an upgrade » 2024-01-22 23:19:20
There might also be usrmerge related issues before the dust settles and some could be quite annoying . . .
#504 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Quote Button » 2024-01-22 23:03:16
Devuan is a great derivatve of Debian w/o systemd, and nothing more, it won't save the world. The Devuan team is small and just capable of doing a great job of supplying replacements for some packages that need alternatives. But they can't save the FOSS world from changing. And changes not related to systemd that drip down from Debian may simply need to be accepted (e.g. this su - issue, usrmerge ... )
Thank you for "getting it" rolfie!
Just earlier today on IRC, this from LeePen clarifying the path for Devuan users to take:
<LeePen> golinux: the solution for end users is to install usrmerge.
Caveat is that it has to be done in a certain order and there may currently be bugs/inconsistencies during the transition. While many have had no issue doing so, I am staying in the safe harbor of Chimaera or Daedalus until the kinks get worked out and the dust settles . . .
PS @brocashelm . . . FWIW . . . I get no asterisk using the the quote button on this forum.
#505 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-22 19:14:58
I was suggesting you replace the post that you deleted. No more. No less.
#506 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-22 18:15:14
Touche! 
Seems I hit a nerve. FWIW . . . the rage quit and deletion was completely unnecessary and deprives the forum of your thoughts which had value historically if not practically. I hope that you will reinstate it. Problem is that unless there is coordinated ACTION, yes in code, your words merely serve as a postmortem.
Perhaps someone should interact with the folks still putting out the X11 advisories that Altoid has been posting to see what they are planning for X11's future. Their thoughts could be very useful to gauge where things are going at the source . . .
#507 Re: Packaging for Devuan » expr from coreutils throws an error » 2024-01-22 07:52:27
There is a thread on this forum about deb.sury.org that has been running for years. The last post was in December 2023. This post, mentions "If using sury.org's repo one will need to install "systemd-standalone-tmpfiles" beforehand". I have no idea what that file does but having "systemd" in a file name is a mental but not necessarily a technical issue in Devuan. Please have a look at Why are systemd files present in Devuan?. Apologies if this is just noise . . .
#508 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Quote Button » 2024-01-22 01:57:21
That happened some weeks ago and yours is the first post mentioning it afaicr. Everyone has adapted quite nicely and the posts have been much easier to follow without all the unnecessary clutter of repetition. There is a quote button available in the line at the top of the reply and quick reply functions. 
#509 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-22 01:51:10
@brocashelm . . . thanks for the explanation. The trend I assume will be for Debian etc. to eventually attempt to remove X11 entirely in order to make Wayland mandatory. Sneaky little buggers! I do hope X11 will be maintained and kept alive somewhere.
#510 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-22 01:16:43
I agree that OpenMATE is an admirable project but what does a desktop fork have to do with the demise of X11? Please 'splain!
#511 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-21 22:36:23
@athenian200 . . . there is no need for you to apologize. At least you seem to have gleaned some benefit from the responses that will help to sort the direction(s) your future contributions will take. It is not easy for humans to adapt to changes beyond their control and those pulling the strings will only protect/expand their interests to the detriment of individuals, community or even species survival. It is the human way and we adjust to and grieve the loss in different ways. Know that you are always welcome here . . .
#512 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Problem with udevadm and initramfs on boot » 2024-01-21 18:37:33
IIUC usrmerge needs to be installed BEFORE moving to Excalibur or Ceres to avoid breakage. Will likely take some doing to unravel . . .
#513 Re: Installation » x won't start - Segmentation Fault after fresh install » 2024-01-21 16:30:26
Edit: btw, I also suspected it to be a NVIDIA issue . . .
Do you have non-free-firmware, non-free and contrib enabled in you sources.list? That will pull in any missing graphics drivers.
#514 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-21 16:22:32
One group of people must step forward and do another fork . . .
Oh is that all! So easy to say. So useless to say. Show us the fork YOU are going to initiate and we will take your babblings seriously. Hot air does nothing but add to our collective climate woes. 
#515 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2024-01-21 00:40:29
Maybe universe?
#516 Re: Other Issues » pavucontrol sound card settings change after reboot » 2024-01-20 01:57:39
I have never had a problem using apulse with an .asoundrc file.
#517 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-19 21:25:15
Given that there's quite a lot of unhappiness with Wayland (see for example the link to XScreenSaver's page that I posted earlier), the demand is certainly there. All it takes now is for some to fill that need.
LOLOL! Actions speak louder than words, which seem to be your forte . . .
#518 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-19 21:22:09
Cheer up!
I am an merely an observer . . . neither an optimist nor a pessimist.
There must exist free thinking intelligent people here somewhere!
Devuan is an extraordinary haven of folks with those qualities but sadly too few actually roll up their sleeves and DO something for whatever reason(s).
#519 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-19 16:08:26
@athenian200 . . . If a team of devs wanted to take on maintaining X11 that would make a lot of people at Devuan and elsewhere very happy. But this endless jawing about X11 (and usrmerge) is just hot air and solves nothing while eating up resources on dng, this forum and elsewhere. Nothing lasts forever and human stupidity and technology just accelerate that process. This should come as no surprise to anyone with working brain cells. All the squeaky protesting against the wind solves absolutely nothing.
We are all just digital cattle being herded into the digital abattoir . . .
#520 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-19 07:08:36
@quickfur . . . X11 like usrmerge is outside the scope of Devuan's mission . . . unless you perhaps want to be that dev that swoops in and saves the day . . .
#521 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-19 03:08:05
Alas, these days they probably come with a built-in WiFi chip configured to ride on whatever nearest clueless newbie-run open WiFi network it can find.
I hear you . . . Thankfully, I am under a metal roof and most folks who visit cannot get a signal inside my house! My very own Faraday cage!! Just dumb luck, not planned . . .
Dowse allows you to turn stuff off! Give it a try!!
#522 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-19 02:05:00
@quickfur . . . This is a good lead in to one of Dyne's projects that might interest you and others on this forum. They were on this years ago!
Dowse :: local area network rabdomancy
"Dowse is a RPi application that functions as a transparent proxy for home network privacy and visualizes network traffic real-time."
https://archive.org/details/github.com- … 9_14-06-19
My personal solutions are no mobile devices, no wifi, no microwave, OTA TV (and very little of it), yada yada . . .
#523 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] What is your view on major distros dropping X11 and requiring Wayland? » 2024-01-18 16:09:51
Welcome to the forum athenian200!
This forum's search function pulls up many mentions of wayland.
Here is the thread dedicated to that discussion.
#524 Re: Other Issues » I can read but not send to the DNG mailing list » 2024-01-18 15:57:48
I requested:
When you want to post a comment or new issue to dng do so with the email of your choice and I will take care of it when I see it.
Probably not a good idea to post parts of your email openly on this forum.
#525 Re: Other Issues » I can read but not send to the DNG mailing list » 2024-01-16 03:10:19
@Mike . . . I suggested for you to post "A" test email. "A" meaning ONE. Now you have posted TWO with different addresses and there is no way to know which one you want to have activated sooooo . . . I am going to delete them both! When you want to post a comment or new issue to dng do so with the email of your choice and I will take care of it when I see it. I check once a day.
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