No, I would be happy to test it out and report back on any issues I find. I just dislike the rituals of compiling in general. Provide the necessary DEB files, and they'll be stress tested.

Wayland is banned in this house, and I withhold any support I might've had for projects that started deprecating X11 and/or pushing for Wayland adoption.

Seems like he keeps much of his views out of the project, so "both sides" can be happy about that. What, because the Code of Conduct page says "404", that makes him a "fascist"? Or someone who's just tired of all the GNOMEsense (pronounced "nonsense")? For what it's worth, I agree with him on most of his personal politics (especially the risks of the mRNA jabs, which I am glad I never got) and would be really disappointed if he was just LARPing all along.

But, that's another topic for another day. This is about the software, not what we personally think of the author. I'll gladly prefer him over some mentally ill cross dresser doing everything in his power to stifle the GNU/Linux desktop experience. A lot of of us have had enough of that. It's already conflicting there are anti-Wayland folks who don't mind Systemd. They should be cautious of both.

OpenBSD's Xenocara is already experimenting with Wayland.

Too bad no one forked GTK2. GNOME's developers are really abhorrent people (and that's putting it nicely).

At least X11Libre exists -- so far, Artix GNU/Linux already has it packaged, and the AUR also has a build.

The Lunduke Journal is one of the few open-source spaces on the Web that has enough clout to directly fire back against the leftist manifestation and corruption of GNU/Linux and free software in general. Bryan Lunduke works hard to expose the rats infiltrating the community, which is a brave effort on his part.

Besides, he even gave his thumbs up to Devuan for not being a political distro (unlike the majority of the non-Systemd ones heavily focused on woke ideology). Lunduke is a legit guy, and no, not a fascist at all. In fact, he's admitted a couple of times that he is Jewish himself.

The fact that Lunduke manages to piss off the very people in GNOME, Red Hat, and whoever else is whipping out their CoCs on software means that he's doing something right.

As for the DE question, the answer is to either build or install Xfce 4.12 (GTK2 only) on your system, and switch whatever else you can back to GTK2. GTK3 and newer belong to GNOME's stinky foot mascot. Qt is not the solution.

The "jokes" in this thread are mostly lame, recycled dad jokes that only dads themselves find funny.

On the other hand, taking a "joke" thread seriously (in any context) is actually pretty hilarious. First time I burst out laughing on here (since the quote-to-reply button was removed).

Debian and its derivatives are not meant to be used in that way. You should be using a rolling release distro if you want the latest versions of packages. Your only other option is to compile it from source.

Political opinions should only represent the individual, instead of the entire project. Debian is like that old man at a teen party spitting out trendy buzzwords to stay "cool" with that crowd, but it only works against their favor. Their association with Outreachy was kind of the writing on the wall, even more so with Systemd having been adopted "coincidentally" after its founder's death.

I will keep using and supporting Devuan, provided that the project focuses on good code over all else. If you follow OpenBSD's example in eating your own dog food, the users will come. I understand that you get most of your dependencies straight from Debian, but Devuan still provides some technical sanity to this day, when not everyone is into rolling releases.

At this point, the whole Systemd hate has kind of died down. Wayland is the focus now. It is where your use case will not matter at all to the pretentious GN*ME/Freedesktop.org/Red Hat folks.

Sorry you feel that way. Anyway...

Dunno about that. The Artix guys don't care at all about "muh hurt feelings", and their distro is currently ranked #3 at DistroWatch.com. In fact, one of the questions they ask you in interviews is: On a scale of 1 to 10, how much of an SJW are you?

And their distro is every bit as functional and popular as the other non-Systemd distros. Oh, and their inits (e.g. Runit, s6, OpenRC, Dinit) are complete on their own -- instead of Debian's half-assed way of relying everything on SysVinit to some extent.

There's also OpenBSD, whose protocols are strictly about keeping things "as politics-free as possible". Thus, they won't take kindly to anyone going on their mailing list and complaining about Elon Musk or why the project "needs" to endorse BLM/Antifa (the two are the same to me).

What a way to kick off the new year. Yes, amazing news. Yes, it's time to retire 32-bit systems. Yes, everyone should be using the latest Intel and AMD products by now, especially with AI "features".

It is so truly revolutionary on Debian's part to push further towards being a rolling release distro. All they wanted was to make it easier to communicate with your multiple processes, they said. Oh, and then when that wasn't enough, they also wanted to make it more user-friendly to start your system and easily manage your services. Even after all of that, they still wanted to use memory-safe programming languages to make it easier to code your software, and now they want to make your graphical session more secure and modern.

Hooray for progress! Linux (without the GNU, because we shouldn't scare away newbies) is finally letting go of stability and embracing on-demand updates!

The great thing about Qt5 is that you can set an environmental variable to make your programs use GTK2, thus an easier time matching your preferred theme. That also includes VLC.

Simply install the package qt5-gtk2-platformtheme (add qt5ct and qt5-style-plugins if you want to tinker further). After that, open up your ~/.profile file and add export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 to it. Save it, log out, and log back in. Pretty much any Qt5 program will look and feel more like GTK2. For example, if you used the GTK3 version of Transmission, the Qt5 version will match your GTK2 themes and icons! It's basically a lifehack to always prefer Qt5 versions over GTK3 versions whenever possible.

Firefox and its forks (e.g. LibreWolf) also allow you to change its default GTK3 filepicker to the Qt5 filepicker. Just install xdg-desktop-portal-kde, which should start automatically. Go to about:config, search for widget.use-xdg-desktop-portal.file-picker, and change 2 to 1. Try to open or save then. Pale Moon is the only "modern" GTK2 Web browser still being maintained.

CSD is an abomination. Thankfully, some GTK3 programs are merciful enough to let us disable them either through setting GTK_CSD=0 or in their options (wow, we have a choice). I know Celluloid lets you do that.

So, what do you guys propose we do? Take up on maintaining LXDE (GTK2) and add the better features from Xfce? Or do we fork Xfce 4.12 (last GTK2 release), remove all the Wayland and GTK3 dependencies, and cherry pick the features and bug fixes from upstream? Also, SpaceFM supported up to four panels, but it's been abandoned, yet it's the ONLY file manager that lets you customize everything under the sun. It is a lot of work, and many of us don't have coding experience. In which case, i3 is all we'll have to settle for in the not-so-distant future.