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#26 Re: Freedom Hacks » A scientific test for resamplers. » 2024-07-15 17:50:38

I have no idea, I don't have such files

#27 Re: Freedom Hacks » A scientific test for resamplers. » 2024-07-15 16:48:38

I don't want to speculate about something I haven't heard.

In general, the higher the sampling frequency, the “smaller” the steps, by smoothing which the DAC receives an analog signal. All the more subtle nuances we can hear. In practice, there is, for example, jitter, unevenness of the count caused by a change in the frequency of the clock generator. The latter is possible, for example, due to impulse noise in the power supply, interference, etc. and so on.
How does it differ in different operating modes of the resampler and different processor loads?

So I just don't know. smile

P.S. By analogy with the landscape outside the window. The sound reproduction system consists of different parts and the quality of each determines the degree of “cleanliness of the window”. The super quality of one element can simply be hidden by the mediocre quality of another. There are many options in each specific case.

#28 Re: Freedom Hacks » A scientific test for resamplers. » 2024-07-15 05:47:11

"Before you make a discovery, look at the textbook." (C) (Not mine)
Have an understanding of the theory of harmonic steam processes and the capabilities of SpectraLab.
And Audigy2, yes, 192 kHz (4*48).
Thank you, it’s my fault, there are a lot of buttons, I’m the only one, who couldn’t cope.

P.S. I didn't expect it myself.

Yesterday, upon requesting “SpectraLab...” Google returned a link to one of the radio forums with my participation from 2011. smile
My point is that these issues were discussed a long time ago and everything has already been clarified.

And you can imagine my “interest” in empty chatter on this topic...

#29 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » PulseAudio always resets to mute » 2024-07-14 11:39:47

The same one, open it in the editor.
I placed ~/.dbus/session-bus/ in RAM and the sound works from pure alsa, so there are no such problems.
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#30 Re: Freedom Hacks » A scientific test for resamplers. » 2024-07-13 14:41:34

@igorzwx
Yes, to be sure of the freshness of the fish, you need to try it. smile
I talk about my practical conclusions during the next audition. About the multi-bit DAC, as opposed to the 32-bit delta-sigma in the mentioned article.
You're talking about other people's opinions.
If you don’t want to understand, it in detail, with measurements, check the sound quality of different programs, it’s up to you. Of course it’s easier to say that the rest are deaf. smile

#31 Re: Freedom Hacks » A scientific test for resamplers. » 2024-07-13 11:46:30

Can you honestly say why you are raising these questions?
Except out of a desire to be known as an original?

We have already found out that, like the vast majority of ordinary users, you hear 14 of the standard 16 bits. Why are you 32?

Real Hi-Fi and Hi-End systems require very significant costs and often a separate, acoustically treated room. Few people can afford it, and even more people don’t need it at all. Because the goal of all this, like any art, is to convey emotions, and for this, some people don’t even need sound, notes are enough.

It's pointless to try to "hear" the Hi-Fi and Hi-End level without the appropriate equipment, it's like trying to see the landscape through a dirty window.

#32 Re: Freedom Hacks » A scientific test for resamplers. » 2024-07-13 04:19:57

Maybe these numbers mean something to someone, but not to me.

So, the scientific approach (like a pro in measurement systems):

The goal - is an objective comparison of the effect on the sound of different resamplers and different systems (ALSA, pipeware, pulseaudio, etc.).
Method - instrumental measurements.

This requires another computer with a more or less high-quality sound card (I use audigy2, 24 bit, 195 kHz), an input/output connecting wire and two programs:
- RightMark Audio Analyzer (rmaa6) for measuring all parameters of the sound card being tested.
- SpectraLab or Linux analog for measuring distortion of specific signals.

Further, there are many possibilities, for example, by recording a pure sinusodal signal from a generator with a frequency of 1 kHz and measuring the distortion when it is played back in different versions of the system, we can objectively evaluate the comparison of alsa vs pipeware vs pulseaudio. Or various resamplers.

The photo shows my primitive cord and an example of wasted work - the electrostatic screen for the Yamaha 724 sound card, according to the measurement results, turned out to be absolutely useless.
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#33 Re: Freedom Hacks » DXD waves and flacs (and dsf files) with OSS4 and ALSA » 2024-07-10 11:39:00

An ordinary computer is not suitable as a playback source. I once compared the sound of a regular CD player and this device ABIT UA-11 (USB MP3 Theater 5.1). (Still lying on the shelf).
https://www.abit.com.tw/eng/product/mm/ua11.htm
Despite its 24-bit DAC and 100 dB signal-to-noise ratio, the sound was muddy.
Since then I have abandoned this matter.
Today I heard wonderful sound “out of the box” only from my son’s Mac, both desktop and laptop.

#34 Re: Freedom Hacks » DXD waves and flacs (and dsf files) with OSS4 and ALSA » 2024-07-10 11:08:01

Seriously speaking, I never even thought about it.
My audiophile preferences are a multi-bit DAC. A semi-homemade one, I don't remember which Marantz laser video player, with PCM56.

#35 Re: Freedom Hacks » DXD waves and flacs (and dsf files) with OSS4 and ALSA » 2024-07-10 05:22:00

Let's get to the heart of the matter.

Here's a warning

All DSD-capable units can accept DSD 64, but not all can accept DSD 128 or higher. Please check which rates your DAC can handle before placing your purchase.

https://www.nativedsd.com/welcome/

Here is the DAC database
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ … id=0#gid=0

Here's a playback for Linux
https://help.nativedsd.com/en/articles/ … s-on-linux

Everything else is wasted work and a waste of time.

But freedom comes first.
One character, who sculpts living images for the sake of the procedure itself, is (was) already on the forum, now with a mantra about pulseaudio..

#36 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Firefox broken? » 2024-07-09 10:56:52

My cell phone is a very nicely working 3G Blackberry 9320, thank you very much.

Once a month I walk to an ATM and transfer the whole of my pension to the other bank.

Hello!
I'm afraid they will simply leave us no choice.
For now, my push-button phone is enough for me (I charge it once, rarely twice a month), it receives an SMS from the bank when I log in from the computer.
I don’t know about you, but we charge a fee for such a bank transfer.
I don’t know what will happen next.
And secondly, all life is increasingly adapting to smartphone, NFC technology, etc.

P.S. And sometimes today the choice of a smartphone has advantages. A specific example of my conditions - ZTE Blade A51 provides 4G without recharging for 1.5...2 days. Laptop - 4...6 hours.

#37 Re: Freedom Hacks » DXD waves and flacs (and dsf files) with OSS4 and ALSA » 2024-07-09 08:34:16

Commentary Steven Segal on the article by Rushton Paul

I gave these a spin through my digital system, that can actually play them all in their original format and has a noise floor above 24-bit resolution (Innuos Pulsar into Holo May Level 2). The data is coming over fibre and goes through a reclocker and LAN isolator before the streamer.

I can't say I heard any difference other than the DSD level was lower than PCM.

Well, of course, with the help of a simple USB card from 2001, we will refute this!
This should be moved to the joke thread.

#38 Re: Other Issues » Chromium wonky for anybody else? » 2024-07-05 05:00:54

Chromium works for me without problems, without the mentioned errors.
Ublock has been added to it and the cache has been moved to RAM.

And as for the “use open source” mantra, in some cases there is no choice (video calls on Facebook), in others it requires additional software (for sound, for example on some computers), and in others, who, for example, controls the ublock lists? The developer himself does not do this.

Firefox has been turned into a toy for developers, they have removed the ability to change the font size for the user by simply selecting from the menu (which, in my opinion, is highly desirable), but they have provided the opportunity to delve into dozens of settings parameters, the meaning of which can only be understood after a deep study of the documentation.

P.S. Elections, browser errors, the ublock list (what prevents you from adding “unnecessary” sites there), the “newbie” of Petrov and Bashirov... coincidences?

#39 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Blacklisting unused driver modules » 2024-07-03 02:19:34

I apologize for the offtopic.
All that remains is to take a radical step - recompile the kernel, leaving in it the code only for the necessary devices and services. smile

#40 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Progressively upgraded Daedalus / dead/dangling links » 2024-07-02 09:16:49

@Altoid
I think this is garbage from your previous installations. On my Daedalus there were only two lines

dangling: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt-default/qtchooser/default.conf -> ../../../../share/qtchooser/qt5-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
dangling: /usr/share/texmf/ls-R -> /var/lib/texmf/ls-R-TEXMFMAIN

Removed by adding the "d" key to the symlinks command, this is the output in a new session after the command in the bottom line.

root@devuan:/# symlinks -csrv / | grep dangling
dangling: /root/.trinity/tmp-devuan -> ../../tmp/tde-root
dangling: /root/.trinity/socket-devuan -> ../../tmp/tdesocket-root
root@devuan:/# symlinks -csrvd / | grep dangling

#41 Re: Off-topic » Thoughts on Pipewire » 2024-07-01 19:46:20

In my opinion, based on experience, everything is simple.
If you want to delve into the settings, we only try alsa with Firefox, it is the most capricious. If there is no sound, add a layer, pipeware or jack.

And if you are lazy, install pulseaudio, it will configure everything itself.
With the first two options, it is not a fact that new versions of programs will work.

Voting is pointless, there are too many different options for computer hardware, bios, proprietary firmware, etc.
The rest is purely a matter of personal tastes and preferences.

#42 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2024-06-30 17:30:18

I'll read some Shakespeare not this thread . . . wink

Yeah. One day I thought that there were real masterpieces on the Internet that I had never heard or seen. And instead of wasting time on useless forum debates, my recipe is solitaire + YouTube with classics, Bach, Von Karajan, etc.

#43 Re: Off-topic » Statistics is a very exact science » 2024-06-30 10:25:19

I already said that you have no idea what you are trying to judge. There are no "very powerful" Hi-En amplifiers. Mine is 4.5 W, with normal listening measured at less than 0.1...0.2 W.
But I had just one question, the answer I received was, you can’t hear. The rest is insignificant.

#44 Re: Off-topic » Statistics is a very exact science » 2024-06-30 08:43:57

Instead of fooling yourself with an oscilloscope...

?

But why do you need such a strong amplifier? Do you have problems with hearing?

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Your sound card doesn't have enough gain for you to hear a 5-bit signal, and it's masked by noise.

P.S. I’ll add, maybe it will become clearer.
There is a real sound signal, you do not hear it, the card cannot reproduce it.
This concludes the question.
You can enhance it in an audio editor to make sure that there is something there, but this has nothing to do with real playback.

#45 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] ThinkPad, Qualcomm Gobi 2000 and SIM card. » 2024-06-30 04:55:16

Alas, the secret of controlling USB modems has been lost!

In the days of opensus 11, all I had to do was plug it in and set up the kppp dialer.
Today, the unlocked zte mf180 easily turns on under Win 8, but it absolutely cannot work under Linux (I tried about 6 different ones).
The hardware turns on everything, ttyUSB interfaces appear, but the modem manager first gets stuck on the connection attempt, and if you try again, it does not react at all, and ppp does not see the existing ttyUSB.
Maybe there's something wrong with udev, I don't know.

#46 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-30 04:31:39

@zapper
This is not my interpretation of "pride", this is Robert Anson Heinlein. I agree with him.
But English is not my native language, nuances are quite possible.

#47 Re: Off-topic » Statistics is a very exact science » 2024-06-30 04:24:03

This is because the noise level of your card is at the level of a 2-bit signal.
In my experiments, I looked at these levels with an oscilloscope at the output of the power amplifier when playing a DVD player CD-RW disc (with a pulse power supply) and a CD player (with an analog one). The noise level was 8...10 times less.
The noise of the switching power supply was a little more and was different to the ear.

#48 Re: Off-topic » Statistics is a very exact science » 2024-06-29 20:32:24

This may mean, perhaps, that human beings are not expected to hear anything.

This simply characterizes the quality of the sound card.

You don’t hear 2 bits out of 16 due to the high noise level, and no amount of resampling or software tricks will help. This is common on most computers. In addition to just noise, impulse noise increases jitter.

But, firstly, on the forum we express a subjective opinion, which by definition is undeniable, and secondly, hearing and the emotions it evokes are even more subjective. The brain does its job and, for example, it is impossible to determine the naturalness of reproduction without having previously heard acoustic instruments; the brain has nothing to compare with. And electronic instruments do not have their own “voice”.

Therefore, I do not dispute the opinion of my colleagues about the advantages of different methods of audio reproduction, but my audiophile experience suggests a skeptical attitude towards attempts to judge the quality of the remaining 14 bits. smile

And I don't consider Bill Reynolds, the developer of PCLinuxOS, to be a "slave", "defective", etc. only because it uses PulseAudio.

#49 Re: Off-topic » Statistics is a very exact science » 2024-06-29 15:49:12

This old example from one of the developers of digital audio devices was given to an audiophile forum so that the “experts” could feel what they are “broadcasting” about with aplomb. This signal is just above the noise of power supplies and can be heard on a truly high-quality system with a large dynamic range. My case is a Hi-End tube amplifier, speaker with a sensitivity of 93 dB.

#50 Re: Off-topic » Statistics is a very exact science » 2024-06-29 14:39:06

Ok, this is a fragment of a famous song recorded in 2 bits from 16 standard CD quality.
Can you tell who sings what?
http://ant-audio.co.uk/test/2bit_fragment.zip

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