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#26 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 19:56:53
go search the archives for fungilife and you will find out.
I am ignoring golinux ironical questioning. I am actually also sick and tired of it!
It is really simple to reproduce if it is still a problem
First you will need apt-transport-http and apt-transport-tor
If you don't have these packages then you explain to us how do you know that your installation is Devuan and not uncle Tom's version of Devuan.
Whether I went from jessie to jessie or wheezy to ceres is IRRELEVANT to what I am saying so bare with me!
let's say we have
http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
Do apt update,
then do apt-get dist-upgrade
if it says 0 up 0 rm 0 ins nothing to do you are OK
Then edit sources.list
deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
See if you get all 0 0 0 again
deb tor://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free
If you 0 0 0 again then it is fixed
If you get a whole bunch of different numbers of things to remove, upgrade, install, then you reproduced the problem I have been having ever since Katolaz announced the existence of pkgmaster amprolla3, and maybe slightly before as well. It was at that time I asked whether pkgmaster had a different onion address than the original one and he returned (and here through golinux) that the onion is on pkgmaster
This crap didn't happen 3 months ago but yesterday where I spent for a 3rd time in a month half a day and ended up with a broken installation. Which was fine with http repositories and 0 to do on upgrade.
Which meant that onion.addresses were on pkgmaster from before it was announced and users were used as beta testers without being notified!!! Nor did they have an option to avoid being beta-testers (which I don't mind, I am always pushing the limits to sid ever since Debian 5 or 6).
Go try it all out and then tell us your findings.
PS 1 If only http is "reliable" in Devuan, then Devuan can no longer be trusted!
PS 2 And heads I wouldn't touch again with an 9ft pole after I pointed out that what they had packaged as tor-browser in it couldn't possibly be a real tor-browser!!! I got NO RESPONSE!!!
PS 3 Don't dare come out and tell me that in light of meltdown and spectre all this is meaningless! It is all we got!
#27 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 12:10:58
I want nothing to do with DNG premadonas and their tolerance to neonazis and intolerance to those who tried to block neonazi propaganda and got the boot from the list!!!! REMEMBER! We do not forget we don't forgive, easily!
I am sure your consciousness will not keep this a secret from them, as it has been YOU and Katolaz who have come here and ensured us that pkgmaster is fully bug-free and the onion address had for a while being identical to http-pkgmaster.
IT ISN"t
http pkpmaster was showing 0 upgrades, 0 to be removed, 0 to be installed.
Only change was https and onion address part in source.list .... then it all went to hell like I had changed distributions.
This has been identified and reported here on the forum several times already and YOUR response was something done wrong by me.
What was that stupid term you used about something between the chair and the terminal error?
Go ask for me to be unblocked on the list and I will happily copy paste this in their face!
And the neonazi polak propagandist better not be there!
#28 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Conversation about "officially" launching a devuan derivative » 2018-01-26 12:04:22
I see it as perfectly reasonable.
If you were a bio-organic farmer and I took your tomatoes and injected ABCD chemical nutrient additive crap in it and passed it on as your delicious bio-tomatoes then you would have a jerkdown.
If you just pass on the opportunity to your natural product with your name on it, you would be thankful, I think! I think vuu-do came with palemoon, I don't know if it still does. I use it everyday.
#29 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do and Miyo why isn't Alt-f Alt-e not working? » 2018-01-26 11:59:20
On my experiment yesterday I pulled refr-staller from experimental and chose expert installation, and kept an eye open for when that part would come up, left the pre and post scripts as they were. It didn't come up, so whatever it is is in those pre-scripts.
I must have done the same with vuu-do a while ago, and I mentioned it then thinking it had to do with hotkeys vuu-do had that disabled Alt-f .... never figured it out at the end.
But on vuu-do I think alt-f was reserved for a different function, alt-f on miyo32 was doing nothing, it just wasn't working. The only difference was that on 64 I did not touch that option and it worked. It may be irrelevant and the problem is elsewhere in 32 that doesn't exist in 64.
#30 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Conversation about "officially" launching a devuan derivative » 2018-01-25 20:29:52
First why pull palemoon from mx when you can just include the few kb of palemoon installer (pminstaller 0.24??) that does the installation and updates and takes 1'-30" to download and install.
Are you making a mirror repository of your own? If no, and you are using devuan then it is devuan. If whoever installs your system wants an update of your own scripts and modifications, how would they get them? See miyo-linux discussions and vuu-do here, there is probably many relevant points.
There is also a thread made by the admin of the forum of a list of forks and derivatives based on devuan.
#31 Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-25 19:26:52
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I was testing a new installation from an old Jessie 8.2 image to transform to Devuan
Everything was going unexpectedly well and then I switched to https and tor repositories and all hell broke loose. When I updated and asked to see if there were upgrades it went ballistic. It removed stuff, it brought weird new stuff in, like lxqt crap which my installation had nothing to do with, it even removed all kernels (all, Debian 3.16 and 4.14) things are now broken, and most essential stuff to the system can not be reinstalled as they seem as missing dependencies.
I reverted back to plain http: (as it seems as the only reliable access to the repository) and it has been stuck for the past 20' waiting for headers.
I wish there was someone responsible enough to throw some light into this LONG term problem with accessing repositories other than with http and all this flaky behavior of working the one minute breaking up the next.
Everytime I have brought up the topic there seems nothing but silence coming up from "devuan".
If it is not working and there is nobody around knowing how to fix it just unplug the damn thing!
And take that silly address with the .onion off your first page, as there seems no intention to make it work, rather than discourage anyone for ever using it.
#32 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-23 20:47:06
I was looking at elive and its promoted desktop, enlightment
Elive was stuck in wheezy land for a long while and finally made it to jessie (I haven't seen any reference to how they accomplished jessie with sysvinit "yet").
Enlightment is some DE that seems to be evolving following wayland development.
Like if gnome wasn't enough ..... enlightment.freedesktop... has a full page ....
Do you know that kind of feeling where you make the mistake and keep reading about something and somehow you think ... maybe I should take the safety off as I may have gone too far?
#33 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-01-23 17:46:44
Very good, I was impressed.
The PMinstaller script is tiny and it might fit nicely in one of your miyo-control-panels without adding much space. I think it installs pm much faster than ff-esr from the repository. The latest of pm browser will come through the day the installer is run.
It was asciified and held up nicely (except for ob-gen and that linux-desktop command )
Thanks again
#34 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-23 17:33:22
Just FYI . . . an oldie but goodie
systemd is a trojan. systemd is a medusa. systemd is Substance D.
systemd is scary - not just because it's tools suck, or because it's
a massive fucking hairball - but because architecturally it has way
too much concentrated power. We all need to collectively expel it from
our midst because it will own Linux, and by extension us and our
freedoms. systemd will *be* Linux. Sit idly by and ignore this fact at
all of our collective peril.
Very well stated
#35 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [Solved] [MiYoLinux] Error updating Ascii version: libeudev1 conflict » 2018-01-23 14:15:51
apt-get install eudev=3.2.2-9 libeudev1=3.2.2-9#36 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do and Miyo why isn't Alt-f Alt-e not working? » 2018-01-23 14:12:38
This came up on the 32b and I did the 64 from scratch.
There is a point in refractainstaller right after lang/locales that asks about a key which I interpreted as the key combination to switch keyboards. I think it is an alternative to windows key to be remapped to a combination for keyboards not having that windows key (the one between ctrl/alt)
So I left it alone this time and the problem is gone.
So it may be my fault but what exactly is this in refra-ler-gui?
#37 Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do and Miyo why isn't Alt-f Alt-e not working? » 2018-01-22 22:37:31
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I had first noticed it on vuu-do which had some hot-keys remapped and now it is on miyo-extra
When you are on an editor or other gui and you want to hit alt-f (file menu) or alt-e (edit menu) the combination does not work, which is pretty standard. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=5612#p5612
I had asked before and I was trying to see if there was an answer and didn't find one.
It is quite annoying because while I edit things I don't want to reach for the mouse.
I sometimes hit alt-f then s (save) then alt-F4 (close) and if I am not careful the edits are gone.
I looked at /etc/xdg rc.conf ... but it is not that this combination is used for something else, it is just not doing anything. Any clues.
It works fine on devuan and refracta
#39 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-22 10:37:20
Through many funky desktop environments there are themes that simulate the aesthetics of Win XP,vista.7,8,10 and if people like this to adopt from one system to the other I find nothing wrong with them. The fact that off the start the crappy desktop fork is loaded with systemd, pulse, gnome etc. is enough to not want to know much about it. If someone finds it important enough to make it systemd-free so it would be functional 100% in Devuan I don't see why that would be bad.
When you hear people saying that without systemd this and that will not work and that is their justification for not wanting to try anything but a systemd based system, then the more that works without it the less of a logical argument those trolls have.
#40 Re: Off-topic » The New Sourceforge... » 2018-01-20 10:58:37
I mean mr.Smith from matrix ...
#41 Re: Off-topic » The New Sourceforge... » 2018-01-20 10:56:40
Do you happen to ever use noscript plug-in?
You shouldn't, you know why?
Because with no scripts you can not even see or download a 50 line Readme file from SF
I hope that same graphic artist dedicates the same for mr.Smith as well!
Beware of free bearing gifts!
Hey there mr.Gnu man, what's your name, who's your daddy? Is he rich like me?
#42 Re: Installation » Why auto.mirror.devuan.org is so slow? » 2018-01-20 02:58:56
And who said that the other repository, pkgmaster, is any faster?
Should we run a campaign to raise funds for faster repositories?
Maybe there are so many people using them that the servers can't keep up. That is a happy problem.
Imagine authoring a distribution with a superfast server than nobody uses.
#43 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-01-16 23:12:52
Splendid
What do you mean c'mon ascii, I am already bored with it
I can't wait for beowulf
#44 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-01-15 11:08:41
Νο Belize english either, that's a major flaw
#45 Re: Other Issues » How to fix the meltdown and spectre issue in Devuan » 2018-01-14 16:20:32
Thank you for the information but your subject is slightly misleading.
Spectre has only partially been dealt with and the fix seems very far away.
#46 Re: Other Issues » Meltdown and Spectre » 2018-01-14 00:26:31
@fungus . . . possibly PEBKAC?
No, I am good with copy paste of instructions. I installed, updated, and upgraded the Refracta 9 and only added Openbox and a few LXDE pkgs. Then I tried installing OpenRC and I reported all the files that appeared uninstallable due to missing dependencies. Then I switched to ceres and they were there. So I installed OpenRC with ceres being open. It was the only way I could install OpenRC, then deleted sysv-rc and executed a command specified by the installation to reboot. All well. I repeated the whole procedure a 2nd time on a different machine. Same repositories. Same problem.
Some days later when I checked to what is installed and appears as local I thought with ceres disabled the pkg that came from there would seem as local with no counterpart in ascii. Wrong, they appeared as ascii pkgs.
If there is a pebkac problem it exists around the chair of the repository manager, or there is a MIM problem.
I urge you to check on the vegetable addresses of the reps and whether they correspond to the pkgmaster. I think something is messed up in there.
#47 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-01-13 20:28:40
Ι δον
I don't see my Papua flag in there 
#48 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-01-13 14:40:43
If all can be contained into a desktop, the miyo desktop, over devuan, I don't see why this would be a problem. But maybe I don't know what it takes to do so and it may be overly complex.
Why don't I have my own fork of Devuan? Because it takes about 3-4 days at my connection speed to upload a GB successfully. It kept failing and I gave up.
#49 Re: Other Issues » Software packages aging issue » 2018-01-13 13:52:38
What about OpenRC and suspend hybernate? Do they work?
I sometimes can't even get to halt all the way. After all things have been successfully been shut the power remains on. It may be a hw peculiarity.
#50 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2018-01-13 13:29:55
I think it is time to set up your own repository so your "fans" can just update their installation instead of reinstalling all of it.
I see you have received some media publicity for your noisy video 
You may want to take a look at a Q4OS live image and their SGUI of installing additional popular software. They are big in LXQT too ...
After all the heat I got from Void people, for publishing your comment about Void as an editorial, I finally got it to install on my own pc (it wouldn't even boot the live image, havem\t figured out why, even though their xfg-intel crap was on there) and I have been learning my ropes around "it" ... the void.
Interesting!
I am trying to miyo my void now.
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