Hello gl:

You're welcome.

Ahh ...
Good to see I was not the only one deferring a system upgrade.  8^)
Not looking forward to doing it again, I see that /usr merge looms in the horizon.

Who knows what else awaits my (ca. 2007 and perfectly working) non-UEFI box.

That said, it may be worth considering ie: packagers taking note, that the native Xfce compositor does not work properly while compton 1-1+deb12u1 does.

It is a sign of the times we live in that Xfce maintainers never bothered to fix the long standing (pre 2018) compositor issues they had and (surprise!) added native compositing. I wonder what else they will add in future versions, seeing that the 2020 row generated by pushing CSDs was not duly noted.

I did at one point try out compton-conf but did not manage to get things properly configured.
Probably because the repository was archived on 08/2023 and is considered to be deprecated.

Fortunately, I got a good result following the instructions in the link I posted, although there may still be some room for improvement.

Best,

A.

Hello:

Right after posting my question I remembered a package called compton that had to do with transparency.

I saw that it in was the repository but was not installed (it was installed in ASCII and Beowulf), so I disabled compositing in Xfce and installed / enabled compton.

And that was  that, problem solved.
The panel transparency works as before.

I am still getting a very faint diagonal tear I had across (upper left to lower right corners) in my centre monitor when scrolling and in every monitor when resizing windows by dragging with the mouse pointer.

I'll look into that in another thread.

Best,

A.

Hello:

Sorry, I misunderstood your question. ie: I thought the trackpad was not working at all.

I don't use GPM.

But from what I gather, it does need a bit of configuration to get it to work, albeit with varied results.

HTH.

Best,

A.

Hello:

Welcome to Dev1. 8^)

Your 2015 hardware is less than 10 years old. 

I use a ca. 2007 Sun Ultra24 workstation with an Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 processor and 8.0Gb RAM.

The system boots from a 120Gb/SATA3 SSD drive, has four different sized SAS HDDs SAS drives running from a ca. 2012 LSI SAS1068E SAS controller for storage and such and two ca. 2009 Nvidia Quadro FX580/512Mb cards driving a pair of ca. 2012 Samsung SyncMaster 940n and a ca. 2015 Dell P1914s displays.

There's also a ca. 2000 Adaptec 2940U/UW Pro PCI controller to run a ca. 1995 Umax S6-E SCSI-2 scanner and an external DDS SCSI tape drive should ever need to do such a thing.

As you can see, all of the hardware I am listing is quite dated/has been discontinued, some of it for many years now.
Yet it all works wonderfully well with Devuan Linux Daedalus.

As for the desktop, Mate or XFCE will do fine.
I think you should have no issues with your box.

Best,

A.

Hello:

This thread is/was about the Daedalus upgrade breaking my Wine installation but is drifting in another direction.
Taking that into account and having been labelled as [solved], I'll say no more than this:

Like I wrote: not any Win based email client.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Mail#cite_note-4

Who could think this was even a remote possibility?

I have would not ever rely on Wine to protect me from malware or anything else.
I protect my system from malware by, first and foremost, not running Wine as root.
ie: release notes and FAQs are an important part of the documentation.

https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Should_I_run_Wine_as_root?

In all the years (~30) I have used Pegasus Mail, I have never (ever) had a problem with malware coming in via email.
This in both MS and Linux based systems.

Of course, and it goes without saying, I have never opened suspicious email attachments.
Nor did Pegasus Mail automatically/suicidally open them for me.  8^)

Not something I took or ever needed to take into consideration.

As a Linux user, my need was to find a Linux based email client that could match what Pegasus Mail offered.
I was never able to find such a thing, much less in Thunderbird which I tried many years ago and found to be lacking.

For the reasons given in my previous post and in spite of it being MS based and not open source, I have continued to use it in every Linux distribution I have gone through, without any issues.

Like I said, YMMV.

Thank you for your input.

Best,

A.

Hello:

The dosdevices directory contains a list of all the drives Wine would access.
And the drive_c directory is not really related to it.

It has all the Windows directories it needs plus the directories for the MS based applications installed, in this case, Pegasus Mail.

~/.wine$ cat wineserver
wine-1X5UO
~/.wine$

~/.wine$ cat wrapper.cfg
ww_name="All fonts"
~/.wine$ 

Best,

A.

Hello:

I get the idea, of course, but we are not talking about any Win based email client.

This is Richard Harris' Pegasus Mail.

I have used Pegasus Mail since my early W3.10 days, cannot recall the exact year but I am quite sure it was pre W95 by at least a year which makes for ~30 years' continued use without ever giving me any grief or problems that I could not fix myself.

Meaning PMail under W3.XX straight through W95/W98/W2000/XP -> a number of Linux distributions and now Devuan, from Jessie to Daedalus.

Never lost any emails and when I did, it was because of the well known 'between the chair and the keyboard' problem.

I started using PMail after trying out all the email clients available (at the time) for the MS environment but not one came close to PMail.
ie: Eudora, OE, Netscape (?) and a couple of others I cannot recall.

It has a very useful 'selective mail download' feature, something I have not seen in any other email client.
That plus an easy to use UI that has not changed significantly in all these years has made it my email client of choice, even under Linux.

More than enough for me to use and continue using it, without any reservations.
Even if it is closed source.

Did I mention that it is free?
Of course, YMMV.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Best,

A.

Hello:

I have managed to fix the problem at hand but only have a hint as to what may have happened.

I have used BackInTime and TimeShift for the longest while now.
Both have proved to be invaluable more than once and this is yet another instance.

Seeing that Wine was working properly after upgrading to Chimaera but stopped doing so after upgrading to Daedalus I restored /home/xxxx/.wine from the snapshot I took before the last upgrade.

As a result, Wine is working properly and loads Pegasus Mail, which also works as expected, albeit with an altered look.
ie: fonts and such, probably related to how Xfce renders the windows. (surprised? not)

As to what caused the problem, the last lines of the BackInTime log for the job shows/implies that there may have been some problem with file attributes:

~/.local/share/backintime$ cat restore_.log
rsync --recursive --times --devices --specials --hard-links --human-readable -s --links --perms --executability --group --owner --info=progress2 --no-inc-recursive -R -v --backup --suffix=.backup.20240525 /media/300GBIT/backintime/devuan/groucho/1/20240523-084800-476/backup/./home/groucho/.wine /
building file list ... done
rsync: [generator] chgrp "/home" failed: Operation not permitted (1)
home/
home/groucho/.wine/.update-timestamp
home/groucho/.wine/system.reg
home/groucho/.wine/user.reg
home/groucho/.wine/userdef.reg
--- snip ---
sent 60.79M bytes  received 34.43K bytes  24.33M bytes/sec
total size is 721.88M  speedup is 11.87
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1338) [sender=3.2.7]   ### <-- here 
 
Restore permissions:
Restore permissions: Done

~/.local/share/backintime$ 

That's about it.
What happened and how did it happen?
What files/attrs/permissions needed to be changed and why?

No idea.
All I can say with certainty is that Wine worked after upgrading from Beowulf to Chimaera but stopped working after upgrading to Daedalus.

Thank you for your input.

Best,

A.

Hello:

But I have discovered something, quite odd at that.

Like I mentioned, when I try to start Pegasus Mail from a terminal (ie: as the logged in user), I get this:

~$ wine start /unix /home/groucho/.wine/drive_c/PMAIL/Programs/winpm-32.exe
0024:err:module:import_dll Library sechost.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\advapi32.dll") not found
--- snip ---
0024:err:module:import_dll Library user32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\start.exe") not found
0024:err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Importing dlls for L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\start.exe" failed, status c0000135
~$ 

Also happens when I try to start winecfg (ie: as the logged in user):

~$ winecfg
0024:err:module:import_dll Library sechost.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\advapi32.dll") not found
--- snip ---
0024:err:module:import_dll Library user32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\start.exe") not found
0024:err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Importing dlls for L"C:\\windows\\syswow64\\start.exe" failed, status c0000135
~$

But when I try to start wine, (ie: without specifying PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS ... ] I get this:

~$ wine
Usage: wine PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS...]   Run the specified program
       wine --help                   Display this help and exit
       wine --version              Output version information and exit
~$ 

So I tried both with privileges (ie: sudo) and it worked.

~$ sudo winecfg gets me the Wine configuration window (for Drives/Audio/Applications/Libraries/Graphics/ Desktop Integration) pop-up.

~$ wine start /unix /home/groucho/.wine/drive_c/PMAIL/Programs/winpm-32.exe gets me the Pegasus Mail start up window asking me for my username, something I have never had to use.

But then I have never ran Pegasus Mail as root.

I cannot make out if this is a permissions or ownership problem, but it does not look like it is a Wine problem as seems to it work if I try to start it as root.

Edit: absoultely everything under /home/groucho/.wine is owned by $USER:$USER.

Any idea as to how to troubleshoot this?

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.