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#2726 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-28 20:41:14

Yes, fungus is on a little hiatus from this list. There are several ways he could communicate if he chose to.   If he would send an email to DNG discussing the issue he's having with pkgmaster, I would release it from moderation to the list for discussion (if the content sticks to technical issues) even though he no longer has an account there.  Or as suggested above he could re-register.  The 'obstacles' are imaginary.

#2727 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-28 17:21:27

fungus wrote:

Your mail to 'Dng' with the subject Fw: Reply to topic: 'pkgmaster is repository hell' Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/m … 91fc67c78c

"The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list".  You no longer have an account there.  So re-register.  Is that really so hard?

FYI . . . the message posted to DNG that is in moderation is nothing substantial.  Just a duplication of the automated message posted above not anything about the pkgmaster issue or it would have been released to the list.

#2728 Re: Installation » Rufus + Installer ISO + Dunnos/Request for next iso » 2018-01-28 17:05:18

Software choice can (and has been) debated ad nauseum.  There is no one solution that will please everyone.  Devuan installs default desktop configurations and leaves it to users to customize to meet their needs.   Feel free to open a thread here to discuss if you like but don't expect changes in software choices unless there is a technical reason to do so.  Another option would be for you to roll your own derivative.

#2729 Re: Installation » Rufus + Installer ISO + Dunnos/Request for next iso » 2018-01-28 09:02:42

inukaze wrote:
golinux wrote:

I'll answer a few of these.

2. after install, the system don't have installed "Network Manager applet" in "Xfce".

golinux wrote:

You can install it from either the Devuan specific repo or experimental.  Can't remember exactly where it's currently at.

i say on the netbook i dont have way to connect to internet [i can't install or download anything with default installation of devuan]. and because of that i must use virtualbox on my main pc, to download the packages, copy the packages to usb, and install in the netbook with dpkg

5. if is possible for the next iso, please add by default plymouth for boot process

golinux wrote:

We will never have Plymouth because it relies on systemd and therefore is on the banned package list.

i don't believe the programmers/developers can't adapt or rewrite it,

for example an older version without systemd, between years 2008 ~ 2016, for make an adapted version to OpenRC or well use the old alternatives like usplash or splashy, just adapted for openrc

Sure that could probably be done if someone wanted to take it on.  But this camp is not much into eye candy.  In fact this is the is the first request for Plymouth since we started this in 2014.

#2730 Re: Installation » Rufus + Installer ISO + Dunnos/Request for next iso » 2018-01-28 06:30:38

I'll answer a few of these.

inukaze wrote:

2. after install, the system don't have installed "Network Manager applet" in "Xfce".

You can install it from either the Devuan specific repo or experimental.  Can't remember exactly where it's currently at.

5. if is possible for the next iso, please add by default plymouth for boot process

We will never have Plymouth because it relies on systemd and therefore is on the banned package list.

6. in the official repositories, you don't have yet "VirtualBox"

Of course we do.  But if you want USB support you'll have to get it from Oracle.  Just add their repos to sources.list.

trinity desktop environtment ?

You'll have to get it from their site.

#2731 Forum Feedback » Enough is enough (and then the other hand claps) » 2018-01-27 04:45:22

golinux
Replies: 20

Forum members who have not done so might want to take a look at D1G's (almost) No Code of Conduct.  We are quite tolerant and patient here but there is a time for the hammer to drop .  So please come in peace and leave your personal baggage and grudges at the door.  Those who don't will be enjoying a little break from forum participation.

#2732 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-27 03:20:18

@fungus . . . you live in your own world and think it is reality.  It is YOUR reality but don't assume it is the one commonly shared by others.  You proclaim judgmental conclusions and are convinced they are fact and ramble on about constructs that only exist in your head. It is not my job (or anyone else's here to "report" what your issues are.  How can one possibly do that without having personally experienced the problem.  Only YOU can do that.  So man up and just report what you are dealing with through more appropriate channels where it will get attention.  Your rather self-defeating approach reminded me of this:

Someone was searching for something on the ground. “What have you lost?” a passerby asked. “My key,” said the searcher. So they both went down on their knees and looked for it. After a time the other man asked: “Where exactly did you drop it?” “In my own house.” “Then why are you looking here?” “There is more light here than inside my own house.”

PS.  Are you or are you not Fungal-net on DNG.

#2733 Re: Devuan » Users and Groups Applet » 2018-01-27 01:16:11

I have it running on jessie and wish that I could find it for ascii.  Anyway . . . i can look at some of the data as user but if i try to make a change it ALWAYS asks for my root PW.   If you are able to make changes without being root, something is not right.

FTR, I tried to install the jessie version on ascii and it failed . . .  sad

#2734 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 22:09:24

cynwulf wrote:
golinux wrote:

Oh dear...

Some people should at least stick to software ideologies.

As you know, I'm not a Devuan user (or a Debian or Linux user) and you've known my opinions on this project from day one (so once again, thank you for tolerating my continued presence)

You are always welcome in this house.  Your experience and ability to see the big picture as in this post adds real value to our collective effort.

. . . but any project founded on "anti" sentiment is pretty much doomed from the start.

We try to frame it otherwise but have no control over others' views and opinions.

This forum seems to be keeping it technical, it's getting it right thus far

Thanks.  We're trying our best. 

. . .it surprises me that such crap is being posted on the mailing lists...

Since that meltdown there has been almost none of that.  The moon must have been in a weird phase or something.  These days there is an occasional snipe but most discussion is technical and cordial.

#2735 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 20:42:15

The devs working on pkgmaster don't frequent this forum so you are the sound of one hand clapping.  If you don't post the info elsewhere - DNG, bugs.devuan.org or irc channels - those who should be seeing it never will.  That's what you'll need to do if you actually want to contribute instead of just complaining . . .

#2736 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 17:35:02

cynwulf wrote:
fungus wrote:

I want nothing to do with DNG premadonas and their tolerance to neonazis and intolerance to those who tried to block neonazi propaganda and got the boot from the list!!!!   REMEMBER!  We do not forget we don't forgive, easily!

Links or it didn't happen.

Here you go.

#2737 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-26 17:12:53

fungus wrote:

I want nothing to do with DNG premadonas and their tolerance to neonazis and intolerance to those who tried to block neonazi propaganda and got the boot from the list!!!!   REMEMBER!  We do not forget we don't forgive, easily!

Then you will have a miserable life, my friend.  Aren't you now Fungal-net on DNG?

fungus wrote:

I am sure your consciousness will not keep this a secret from them, as it has been YOU and Katolaz who have come here and ensured us that pkgmaster is fully bug-free and the onion address had for a while being identical to http-pkgmaster.

IT ISN't

http pkpmaster was showing 0 upgrades, 0 to be removed, 0 to be installed.
Only change was https and onion address part in source.list .... then it all went to hell like I had changed distributions.
This has been identified and reported here on the forum several times already and YOUR response was something done wrong by me.

Then file a bug report with the needed information.

Go ask for me to be unblocked on the list and I will happily copy paste this in their face!
And the neonazi polak propagandist better not be there!

I don't even see you on the DNG member list anymore.

Maybe go take a nap and get out of the other side of the bed when you wake up.

#2738 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell » 2018-01-25 21:32:44

That's because you're posting in the wrong place.  Try posting to DNG.

#2739 Re: Installation » Palemoon a browser that doesn't convince! » 2018-01-25 21:28:49

surf2 is in the devuan repos but perhaps not the main ones.

#2740 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Conversation about "officially" launching a devuan derivative » 2018-01-25 21:17:06

You should be more concerned about Palemoon's licensing than Devuan's.  Though MX may have taken care of that for you.

#2741 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-23 20:23:53

If you don't support systemd, why would you be promoting it?  *scratches head*  BTW, "rude" is a personal judgment with no factual basis.

#2742 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-23 16:56:26

jonaspm wrote:

Hello guys, I see that UKUI is systemd based... Didn't know that thanks!

If you're promoting an OS how can you or the writer of that blog not know something so basic? I searched for "UKUI systemd" and nothing came up.  fungus dug a little deeper. Users who think like this treat their computer as an APPLIANCE and really don't give a toss what's under the hood.  These are the same mindless users that take whatever MS or UKUI gives them.  Mainstreaming Linux for users like that will be its undoing.

Just FYI . . . an oldie but goodie

#2743 Re: Other Issues » Vanilla KDE Jessie Devuan system prompts for USB pen drives. » 2018-01-23 00:01:20

KDE is a bit broken in Jessie. We're hoping to have it working in Ascii.  Please see this mail thread for discussion.  You might want to join the ML for the most up-to-date progress reports.  You might also consider upgrading to ascii to help with the testing.

#2744 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-22 18:53:03

Thanks.  It's obviously a non-starter here.

#2745 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-22 16:09:50

fungus wrote:

Through many funky desktop environments there are themes that simulate the aesthetics of Win XP,vista.7,8,10 and if people like this to adopt from one system to the other I find nothing wrong with them.

It attracts a certain mindset.  Just look how that has worked out for Debian, Ubuntu etc. - a slow side downhill into a consumer-oriented winland parallel universe.

The fact that off the start the crappy desktop fork is loaded with systemd, pulse, gnome etc. is enough to not want to know much about it.

There was no mention of systemd in that stupid blog.  And there's little that Google could find.  Is this an assumption or fact?

If someone finds it important enough to make it systemd-free so it would be functional 100% in Devuan I don't see why that would be bad.

Why?  We already have Mate.

When you hear people saying that without systemd this and that will not work and that is their justification for not wanting to try anything but a systemd based system, then the more that works without it the less of a logical argument those trolls have.

This troll mentioned nothing of systemd so how could there be an argument about it?

#2746 Re: Off-topic » [QUESTION] UKUI DE in Devuan? » 2018-01-22 06:52:05

Meet The New Linux Desktop Environment Inspired by Windows 7?  Hahahaha!!!

Probably the wrong audience to ask that question.  There is not much love for either Ubuntu or Windows in this camp.  Personally I would NEVER use anything that reminded me of either one.   But I see where that might be an asset for those want turning Linux into a Windows style OS for the drooling masses.

#2747 Re: Off-topic » What's the point to keep maintaining DEVUAN? » 2018-01-21 20:28:18

@spartrekus.git . . . why exactly are you here?

#2748 Re: Installation » sans-dbus, Questions, Tips and Tricks on its Implementation » 2018-01-17 22:38:33

miroR wrote:

And I don't even remember where I posted that I would contact dev1fanboy about something related to sans-dbus. I can tell that I tried (and contacted wrong Devuaner instead -- Ralph Ronquest I PM'ed, having mixed the nicknames somehow...

Hi miroR . . . I sent a short email to dev1fanboy asking him to have a look at your post..

#2749 Re: Other Issues » Meltdown and Spectre » 2018-01-14 00:31:09

fungus wrote:
golinux wrote:

@fungus . . . possibly PEBKAC?

What is PEBKAC?

https://classic.startpage.com//do/search?&query=PEBKAC

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