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#1 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-09-30 00:01:08

Why did the chicken only cross halfway across the road?

She wanted to lay it on the line.'

#2 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-08-27 11:25:56

golinux wrote:

sgage . . . having a bad day?

No worse than usual :-)

Ralph's joke brought to mind the Woody Allen 'sincerity' quip. The lightbulb joke was just a lightbulb joke. And everybody likes a good lawyer joke. When a family member of mine was going through law school, we collected quite a few...

#3 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-08-27 01:50:10

What's the difference between a rooster and a lawyer?

The rooster clucks defiance. The lawyer fu...

#4 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-08-27 01:47:08

fungus wrote:

How many psychoanalysts does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, the lightbulb needs to want to change itself.

How many Californians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None! Californians screw in the hot tub!

#5 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2023-08-27 01:45:38

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

There are two rules for success in life:

Rule 1: Don't tell people everything you know.

There is one rule for success in life. You need to have sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made.

#6 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] How to hide Firefox titlebar » 2023-08-19 10:56:36

m1k3 wrote:

Do you mean this? … d-toolbars

There's a title bar checkbox at the bottom of the customize toolbar screen which toggles the window manager's title bar.

Yes. If gtk3-nocsd is installed, that checkbox has no effect.

#7 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] How to hide Firefox titlebar » 2023-08-18 21:12:34

sonichy wrote:

The Firefox titlebar can not hide.

You probably need to uninstall gtk3-nocsd. That solved it for me.

#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] How to hide Firefox titlebar » 2023-08-18 21:12:03

Camtaf wrote:

It should disappear if you press the F11 key - press again to get it back.

The F11 key toggles FullScreen mode. It doesn't simply turn the titlebar on and off. There is a checkbox in the 'customize' screen that purports to toggle this If it doesn't work (and I experienced this same problem), you probably need to uninstall gtk3-nocsd. That solved it for me.

#9 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Strange Firefox bug in Daedalus » 2023-07-11 15:38:29

fsmithred wrote:
apt remove gtk3-nocsd libgtk3-nocsd

Tested on desktop-live iso.

You have to remove libgtk3-nocsd. Just getting rid of the main package doesn't fix it.

That did it! Thanks so much!

#10 Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Strange Firefox bug in Daedalus » 2023-07-11 14:09:50

Replies: 2

I am experiencing a strange bug in Firefox in Daedalus. In an effort to get the maximum amount of vertical space for my browser window, I usually disable the display of the Firefox titlebar - there's a checkbox in the 'customize toolbar' screen for this purpose. It does not work in Daedalus. I've tried reinstalling FF, deleting my config to start clean. It does not work in a clean install of Daedalus, nor in system upgraded from Chimaera (where it works as expected). It works in Debian Bookworm.

What could possibly be causing this behavior? I'd like to fix it. It doesn't sound like show-stopper (and it isn't), but I begrudge every vertical pixel that's wasted on this silly wide-screen monitor. Any ideas?


#11 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problems booting USB made from devuan_daedalus_5.0.0-rc2_amd64_* » 2023-07-08 12:00:03


I burned RC4 to USB using BalenaEtcher. Long story short: I'm coming to you from a shiny new Daedalus install :-)

I used the first installation option, and it proceeded nominally. I selected the MATE Desktop in tasksel, and it seems good.

#12 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problems booting USB made from devuan_daedalus_5.0.0-rc2_amd64_* » 2023-07-08 01:53:28

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

@sgage thanks for those.

It's quite peculiar that the chimaera and daedalus isos have different legacy boot behaviour since they supposedly are the same for legacy boot.

They do differ in UEFI boot loading where chimaera iso has grub whereas daedalus iso has syslinux.

Or, does the working chimaera iso come up as a grub boot menu for you?

I just booted up the working chimaera iso, and it comes up as what I guess is a syslinux menu - at least it doesn't look quite like any grub menu I've ever seen. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure  that I didn't actually install my current chimaera from an iso at all - I think it might actually be an upgrade from beowulf! And I'm pretty sure that that beowulf install was an upgrade from ascii! What a world!

#13 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problems booting USB made from devuan_daedalus_5.0.0-rc2_amd64_* » 2023-07-07 23:37:35

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

@Andre4freedom before we close of "missing module" as reason, would you mind posting output of lspci -v from your Alma-linux. (That should tell explicitly which modul(s) are in use).

EDIT: actually, now I realize the installer pre-boot doesn't have ehci-pci (nor ohci-pci) which I think means it doesn't support USB2 or USB1. That's not ideal. Looks like there is an rc4 coming up shortly for that...

Though I did make my USB stick on a USB3 capable stick, and booted from a USB3 port. But I will try rc4...

[edit: I have only been trying the netinstall throughout this conversation]

#14 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problems booting USB made from devuan_daedalus_5.0.0-rc2_amd64_* » 2023-07-07 23:09:39

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

Would you mind booting up chimaera and show both ls -l /dev/ and lsmod from there?

This is from my up to date chimaera install. I am also running a daedalus install for many months, upgraded from chimaera.

#15 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problems booting USB made from devuan_daedalus_5.0.0-rc2_amd64_* » 2023-07-07 21:38:38

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

I assume you still see the bootloader menu?
If so, try by pushing TAB, then remove "nomodeset" and then push ENTER... does that start up the installer?

If you don't seen the bootloader menu then the problem is at the ISO format level. That's a bit harder to debug.
Does chimaera netinstall work for you?

Note: the dd command of post#4 above is typically good, though I think there might be bogus variants of dd on some (non-linux) platforms.

I do not even get to the bootloader menu. I boot from the USB stick, and get... a black screen. Like I said, nothing, not a cursor, not anything.

Chimaera netinstall worked fine for me. I have tried dd, Rufus, BalenaEtcher, Ventoy. No joy.

- Steve

#16 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Problems booting USB made from devuan_daedalus_5.0.0-rc2_amd64_* » 2023-07-07 19:09:06

Ralph and Andre,

For what it's worth, I, too, was unable to boot RC2 or RC3. I tried several different methods of making a USB stick. Just a featureless black screen, not even a blinking cursor - had to cycle power to get out.

#17 Re: Devuan » Devuan 5 Daedalus Release (Debian 12 - Bookworm) | Looking for info » 2023-06-15 21:14:32

Geoff 42 wrote:
boughtonp wrote:

That information would be at the same place it always is,

I notice that on the Releases page that Daedalus is described under suites as In development, while the following text refers to testing.
Would it be more consistent if the entry under suites was testing?


That would be more consistent, but the whole plot is thickened at the time of Debian releases. Daedalus really isn't 'testing' anymore. Nor is it the stable release, either...

Daedalus has been tracking Bookworm, which is now stable. So the general software set of Daedalus is Bookworm, i.e. Debian stable. Now, in order for Daedalus to be released as 'stable', we're basically waiting for the installers being tuned for every eventuality. It does seem to take a long time. In any case, the Daedalus installation I've been using since January is working perfectly.

So amprolla seems to interpret 'testing' in the sources of an up to date Daedalus installation as overlaying onto Debian 'stable' at this in between time. If you take a Daedalus installation and change the sources from 'daedalus' to 'testing', nothing much happens. If you take a Bookworm installation and change the sources from 'bookworm' to 'testing', you get about 80 new packages as testing is already starting to track the release-to-be-named-trixie.

At some point, 'testing' in the sources of a Daedalus installation will do the same after it is officially released as 'stable', and at that point you'd be tracking trixie/excalibur. But use the code name instead of 'testing', 'stable', etc., or you'll end up moving on from Daedalus. Unless of course that's what you want :-)

#18 Re: Devuan » Increasing need for RAM » 2023-02-19 16:56:49

jue-gen wrote:

It's all not so simple. During my research I found that unused memory is actually wasted memory. Linux keeps data in main memory (RAM) as long as it is not needed for running or restarted programs. This data in RAM does not interfere, but it speeds up a lot when it is needed. The memory management regulates this. Therefore, the output of free is difficult to interpret. free says how much memory the system is using in advance, free does not say how much is actually needed at the moment. I just found this out in my research. Whether I have represented it all correctly, I don't know. Anyway, I mean that the result of free does not represent what the system actually needs right now.

The way that various utilities report RAM usage, and the terms they use for the different categories, have always somewhat confused me. It doesn't help that they change the reporting criteria over time. I have never reached 5 GB of RAM 'usage' on this 12 GB machine, as reported by several different methods. Therefore, I decided long ago to simply trust in my kernel memory management overlords. Or something like that. :-)

#19 Re: Devuan » Increasing need for RAM » 2023-02-19 02:07:49

MrReplikant wrote:

just my two cents here, the


command changes how it works in Daedalus.


tends to display more usage than before

Do you have a link to some more info on this? My Chimaera boots to 420 MB, my Daedalus boots to 850! Running more or less the same startup stuff. Curious as to what is going on.

#20 Re: Devuan » Increasing need for RAM » 2023-02-18 14:57:51

jue-gen wrote:
sgage wrote:

... I don't think 420 MB used is that bad in this day and age.

No, it's actually not bad. And it fits with how I experienced it with Chimaera. The jump came for me only with Daedalus.

I will have to load up my Daedalus image and see if there is a big change - will post something later.

#21 Re: Devuan » Increasing need for RAM » 2023-02-18 12:32:04

Just another data point. This is a Chimaera system running MATE, immediately after boot:

free -m
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           11727         420       10879          83         427       10975
Swap:              0           0           0

I don't think 420 MB used is that bad in this day and age.

#22 Re: News & Announcements » Non GNU Linux Chimera » 2023-02-14 00:14:17

Ha! I just came here to post the same thing :-)  The guy should have picked a different name...

#23 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-07 12:04:29

blackhole wrote:

This site simply serves as a platform for pushing the admin's ideology - "views".  That's what they mostly contribute here. Devuan project is just the vehicle. It's supposed to "about Devuan" but there those views are, over and over again...  if you don't belive me, please search and you will find their ideological postings scattered throughout.

Those who don't share the ideology are treated as deluded lesser life forms. I can see right through the thin veneer of condescension and superiority. There is certainly an affinity with nazis, as like those who support extermination of populations depopulation or steralisation in order to "improve" the situation for a chosen select few, they're a vocal proponent of depopulation, as with many people like Bill Gates.

@headstick, wanted to tell you earlier - you traded "donald" for something worse in coming here, so good luck with that...

I no longer care - have fun.

@Ralph, no hard feelings, but you feed the monster hoping it eats you last. Please delete my account. I have no reason to come back.

Gee blackhole, project much?

#24 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-07 01:31:55

blackhole wrote:

Thank you for so clearly revealing the bias for all to see.

Ralph yes I'll strive for the three Ps, while your lunatic fringe, right wing crony gets free reign ...

You might not like his disdain for hairy cross-dressing wait-staff, but that does not make him lunatic fringe or even right wing particularly. A lot is changing very fast, and it feels very weird and forced at times. But, as golinux remarked above, this forum is about Devuan, not identity politics or any other politics. Re-read her post and chill.

#25 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2023-01-14 01:51:14

JWM-Kit wrote:

I guess it's a bit of nostalgia mixed with pure nerdiness, but I've been reading though old Compute! Gazette Magazines at

Maybe I've been watching to much of "Adrian’s Digital Basement" and "8-bit guy"

One of my actual duties in my first computer job was to read Compute! Gazette (and BYTE, and all those late 70's early 80's mags) and report my impressions to management about what was going on in the biz. Some pretty bizzarro advertising! Those were the days! The microcomputer 'industry' was just beginning to shake itself out, and then along came the IBM PC...

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