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#1 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-02 01:44:04

andyp67 wrote:

I am not drunk and I am not doing any drugs (which you inferred, implied.)

Winnie the poo said that sourness and bitterness come from interfering and unappreciative minds.

The Stoics said;
Gods and sages do not study philosophy because they are wise.
Stupid people do not study philosophy because they think they are wise.
People who know they are better than stupid try to be lovers of wisdom (I forget the precise wording of that translation of that line.)

People are fools, slaves, morally viscious, unfortunate, summed up, mad.

sgage, I regard your attitude as totally violent, I will report you right now.

You are raving. Good-night.

#2 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-02 01:06:02

andyp67 wrote:

sgage piss of wasting stealing OUR time fool find something different to do

Yep, drunk alright. You have stolen enough of OUR time already.

#3 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-01 22:48:13

I think andyp67 is drunk. Or something.

#4 Re: Off-topic » Google in trouble again » 2022-10-29 21:16:30

aluma wrote:
Ogis1975 wrote:

Personally, I don't trust any search engines developed in the West.

To see Magadan or Vorkuta or Bucha with your own eyes today, and all Marxism will come off like a husk ...


#5 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » apt-mark » 2022-10-03 23:03:40

chris2be8 wrote:
sgage wrote:

When I typed 'apt-mark' yesterday, I got 'command not found'. Today it's working.

From experience the most likely explanation is that you misspelt it yesterday. I've learnt to take a hard look at what I typed if I get that error.

Have you still got the screen output? Or does your command history show you what you really typed?

If it's not that could your PATH have been altered to not include /usr/bin?

I will check the command history - I suspect a misspelling. My aging eyes are not what they used to be...

#6 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » apt-mark » 2022-10-03 11:22:37

steve_v wrote:

Huh? apt-mark is included with apt, it's never been a separate package AFAIK.

cat /etc/devuan_version 
dpkg -S `which apt-mark`
apt: /usr/bin/apt-mark

Thanks for the reply. When I typed 'apt-mark' yesterday, I got 'command not found'. Today it's working. Not sure what happened, but thanks for making me look again...

#7 Hardware & System Configuration » apt-mark » 2022-10-03 00:42:45

Replies: 5

There used to be a utility called apt-mark that easily let you mark packages that are marked for auto-removal as manually installed. It is not in the repos as far as I can tell (chimaera). A highly useful tool if you want to remove some undesirable package that depends on many other key packages that you don't want removed. I used it a lot back in the day, but it seems to have disappeared. Though if you 'man apt' and search for 'mark' it is mentioned.

It is an invaluable tool if you're trying to lean down your system, and I'd dearly love to have it back.. What happened to it, and where can I find it?


#8 Re: Off-topic » Xfce 4.18 at Christmas » 2022-10-02 00:22:44

I had dabbled in XFCE periodically since its inception, never much cared for it on aesthetic and functional grounds. When Devuan happened, I really tried to warm up to it, since it was Devuan's default DE, but just couldn't roll with it.

KDE gives me the willies - can't put my finger on it, but again, I have tried to 'like' it, but it just doesn't mesh with me, or something. Just too much. Hard to articulate.

For my main daily driver, I have been using MATE for many years, with its stock top panel and a Plank dock in lieu of a bottom panel. It works perfectly for me, for what I do. If the MATE project gets too gnome-y, I'll probably just go to OpenBox or something. I happily used IceWM for years, for that matter.

#9 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Zoom in Devuan » 2022-09-13 21:40:38

GlennW wrote:

Thank you

The Zoom deb package I recently got from their website works fine for me on Chimaera.

#10 Re: Devuan » Debian Point Release Question (Solved) » 2022-08-27 10:15:43

grafiksinc wrote:

Hello Forum....
Just a general question.....if Debian Releases a point release.
About how long does it take for that to make its way in to Devuan.... if at all..
Just curious....

Thank you ! In advance

A 'point release' in Debian simply means that they've updated the installation media to include all updates since the last point release (or original release). If you're doing a fresh install, this means less post-install updating to do. If you've been updating your system all along, you already have the point release. If you use the net install, it doesn't matter so much - at the end of the installation you have the latest updates of everything.

#11 Re: Devuan » Experiences with Ceres? » 2022-07-05 10:44:42

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

Just to be sure:

  • Devuan's "stable" is a link currently pointing at "chimaera"

  • Devuan's "testing" is a link currently pointing at "daedalus", and

  • Devuam's "ceres" is a link pointing at "unstable".

It's typically as stable to use Devuan's "unstable" as it is to use Debian's "unstable" ("sid"), because most of Devuan's packages come unaltered from Debian. Mostly it works well (better?) to run a "chimaera" installation and only add in "daedalus" packages where necessary and possible.

Ron, you're so right! I meant to say that Daedalus is my daily driver, and is very stable for my use case. And that packages get into Daedalus from Ceres fairly quickly. Sorry for the confusion! Too much 4th o' July celebration, or something...

#12 Re: Devuan » Experiences with Ceres? » 2022-07-04 22:06:17

fab161 wrote:

Hey y'all, today I installed Devuan again. In the past weeks I got some issues with audio (alsa, pulseaudio, pipewire) on Debian and Debian-based distros -- sadly, Devuan was no exception. Although I tried much things out to get the stuff working, nothing worked besides updating to the testing/unstable branches. So I did this with Devuan too and moved to Ceres through Daedalus. Now I'm on a so called "unstable" Devuan system with these active lines in /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb ceres main non-free contrib
deb-src ceres main non-free contrib

Coming from Debian unstable and Artix I think this shouldn't go too bad.. wink
So my question to you: Do you have any experiences with running Devuan Ceres as a daily driver?

I use Chimaera as my daily driver, and it feels like stable to me. I check out Ceres once in a while, and it seems solid at the moment, but why not use Chimaera? Packages move from unstable to testing quite quickly, and it seems to be a bit more coherent. But whatever floats your boat.

#13 Re: Devuan » Loving Devuan » 2022-06-18 20:14:22

Andre4freedom wrote:

Thank you, Head_on_a_Stick,
Any idea what the dock could be?

Have a nice weekend.

It looks like it could be Plank, which is what I use.

#14 Re: Off-topic » Your thoughts on: TheCaseForTheUsrMerge » 2022-06-08 16:47:54

Just for grins (and after backing up my system), I installed the usrmerge package just to see what would happen. Everything seems fine. I rebooted, everything still seems fine. I will report if anything comes up, but why would it?

#15 Re: Other Issues » Can we run .Appimage out of the box ? » 2022-06-08 11:01:42

SpongeBOB wrote:

Thank you @fsmithred,

here what I got from the terminal ( ~/Desktop )

. Atom.AppImage
bash: .: Atom.AppImage: cannot execute binary file

I'm Running Duvean Chimaera 4.0


Does someone have the link of a working .Appimage to se if it run on my system and therefore see if it's was Atom.Appimage that was buggy or my system


I occasionally run the balenaEtcher appimage without issue (it is a USB writer). There's a download button on their home page:

It downloads a zip file containing the appimage.

#16 Re: Off-topic » Loss of a friend » 2022-03-08 00:54:47

zephyr wrote:

Almost to the day, 12 years later, I lost my first dog, Guinevere (Geneva) a Shih Tzu on 08 Jan 2022. She died from renal failure, my veterinarian diagnosed her with renal (kidney) failure when she first showed signs of the disease, more than 3 years ago. A slow process of death, and yet the symptoms came and went, and she bounces back. She had several episodes closely together after Thanksgiving, her birthday. Knew that something was terminal, just didn't want to accept that of my best  canine friend.

A young lady was a bit more than a casual admirer, presented her as a gift and a goodbye after 10 years of failing to step into my 4th marriage. However, she did drop off 2 more dogs and all around Thanksgiving time. Geneva was more symbolic than just a pet.

First time, despite numerous marriages, partner live ins, family. Spent way too many years away somewhere... all come and go.

Now, I know what it's like to have my heart truly broken! 

Geneva, has a sister (Sophia) born 1 year after her, and on, yup Thanksgiving. smile Black, white with large dark blue eyes. Unusual!

Geneva was my sidekick, rode shotgun everywhere. Now in the fall/winter of my life...she will be truly missed!



I am very much a dog person, and I understand. For the last 30 years, I've always had at least 2 dogs, usually 3, and sometimes 5. I remember every one of them, and they're all buried on the property here. Many breeds, many abilities. German Shepherds are one thing, Border Collies are another. Always a Lab in the mix. So many adventures and memories! So much love! Saying good-bye is a built-in part of being an HC (that's what they call us - Human Companions)

Most (but not all) of our dogs have been rescues, including a German Shepherd who was tied to a tree at a highway rest area and abandoned. One suspects there is an exceptionally hot place prepared for someone who would do that.

One of my best dogs was an old GSD actually named Zephyr. His owner was engaged to be married, and his fiancee made him get rid of him! Can you imagine marrying such a human...

Anyway, memory eternal to our faithful canine friends. The dog-human relationship goes back to the beginning, and might have made us human...

#17 Re: Devuan » Downgraded to Devuan Chimaera... » 2022-01-29 01:00:11

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Danielsan wrote:

You sure?

Yes. All true UNIX systems provide a unified set of user space tools along with /sbin/init. The BSDs are closer to true UNIX than Linux so they emulate that approach.

I made no comment about commercial influences.

I will now though: ← both Google and Microsoft are regulars in that list. ← Facebook as a top level contributor? Really? lol

Seems like there is nothing that can't be and isn't being coopted. It is the genius of capitalism, and I've seen it over and over again. Anything good and free is bought out sooner or later. Or so it seems. We live in a shit culture.

#18 Re: Off-topic » Happy Holidays & Merry Christmas » 2021-12-30 17:43:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Well it's certainly one of my coping mechanisms, along with trolling. How do you manage?

I manage by immersing myself in actual reality. Not virtual, not augmented, not theoretical, but real, physical reality. I cut my firewood, I take care of my livestock (goats, sheep, and chickens), I grow as much as I can in my garden in season (it's now under half a foot of snow). That sort of thing. I entertain myself by walking in the woods here with my dogs, and playing music alone and with my friends (haven't been in a band for a while), and so forth. Now I am older and also somewhat disabled, so I have learned how to pace myself.

Here in the US, our 'culture' is, quite frankly, psychotic, and our society isn't a society. Things seem grim, and I believe, along with Yeats,  that

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...

There is nothing I can do about it - it seems like a Juggernaut bearing down. About the best you can do is try to get out of the way.

Hey! Happy New Year Everybody!!!  :-)

#19 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Interesting article - Ventoy » 2021-12-11 01:42:34

Ventoy is very good - been using it for a while. I have a 32 GB USB stick. If I want to try a new iso, just copy it onto the USB - no 'burning a USB' or anything. I have many things on there. I boot to it, and there's a menu of all the iso's, and you pick one and it boots. It is a marvel - it just works.

#20 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Attention Dual/Multi-booters: Latest GRUB (2.06-2) disables os-prober » 2021-12-01 12:51:17

rolfie wrote:

Just tried it on my Chimaera box (Arch and Beowulf in parallel installations): Adding that line to /etc/default/grub does not make any difference on efi installations.


Works fine on my efi rig running either Daedalus or Ceres. Is it even an issue in Chimaera?

#21 Re: Off-topic » Palemoon drama, has gotten bad, » 2021-10-07 14:38:49

hevidevi wrote:

Saying that, i dont care these days, nothing i do on a computer warrants spec-ops type privacy, im actually looking to quit computing altogether. I think it has run its course and is a doomed endeavor and blight on human interactivity.

Ha! I've been coming around to this view myself.

#22 Re: Off-topic » The rise of Artix and decline of Arch on Distrowatch » 2021-09-18 11:16:06

dvnUsr wrote:

I looked up Hyperbola Linux and their website says:
"Due to the Linux kernel rapidly proceeding down an unstable path, we are planning on implementing a completely new OS derived from several BSD implementations."

... and:
"Future versions of Hyperbola will be using HyperbolaBSD which will have the new kernel, userspace and not be ABI compatible with previous versions."

What the!

They give reasons.  That's somewhat concerning as a Linux user!  But is the Linux kernel really heading significantly down that way, or is the Hyperbola site being slightly alarmist??

I think they're just being a bit hyperbolic about it.

#23 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) Released as Next Testing! » 2021-09-13 15:13:55

Nili wrote:

So far, from Daedalus-testing (Devuan 5) aka Bookworm-testing (Debian 12) got updates for apps that i daily use.

Nautilus 40.2
Geany 1.37.1 
Disks 40.2
ntfs-3g 1:2021.8.22-2
gtk+3.0 3.24.30-3
mediainfo 21.03-1

Awaiting to upgraded very soon 2/5 days.

mpv to 0.33.1-1

Also i hope Debian maintainer pass to sid soon those two-below packages, i had a few concern with them so i can't wait to check it if they've been fixed.

feh 3.7.1
conky 1.12.2

Many other packages have been updated since this topic was opened. That's why i like testing or better sid, but i'll stick on testing for some reasons that requires less attention than sid.

Guys, Do not be confused, this topic is Devuan 5 (testing/sid) aka Daedalus.
See the thread name.
Leave alone Chimaera here.
Daedalus it is one version advance than Chimaera/Ceres.
This thread serve to test (next testing/after chimaera releases).
For people who like to play in advance with testing/sid packages

I open this topic asking about next-testing as there was no repo for Daedalus, and edited it as soon as it was set. Personally, I have taken all the risks and responsibility on my testing jurney.

More here about releases names.

We know versions and names are a bit confusing at first on the early releases, as some walk faster with repos than with official releases names.

I hope i have somewhat clarified my position and forgive me if i have created a bit confusion if i did.


"Daedalus it is one version advance than Chimaera/Ceres."

There is no Chimaera/Ceres. Ceres is always unstable. Packages go from Ceres to testing. Although Chimaera has not been officially released as 'stable' yet, Daedalus appears to be the new testing. But it is not one version more advance[d] than Ceres.

#24 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] How to run a root command on startup? » 2021-09-01 00:35:10

I would just stick it in /etc/rc.local. I do a similar thing to defeat the power-saving on my sound card, which makes nasty pops:

echo 0 > /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save
exit 0

#25 Re: Other Issues » Amprolla behavior when bullseye released » 2021-07-19 13:01:13

So amprolla always merges according to the 'matching' Debian version, and doesn't really care about stable vs. testing. And ceres will always track sid. I was just curious about the interim period.

Since I started with Devuan back in Jessie days, I've never used stable, testing, etc. in sources.list. That was made very clear from the get-go!

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