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Yep, method one is what used on Debian 12 and I imagine it should work the same on Devuan. Worst case, I have to do a manual install, or stick with ESR, which is fine. I used to hate ESR since streaming DRM content was broken/unsupported, but I don't stream anymore so that's irrelevant.
Ventoy is cool, but I stopped using it when I found certain Linux ISOs to be flaky or have issues at boot or install. This sounds similar to what I experienced though it was too long ago to recall what issues I had. If you want the convenience of having a ton of distros on one USB to test and mess around with, Ventoy is fine, but I'd recommend ditching it and just flash the specific distro you want onto your USB drive the normal way.
rolfie wrote:
Its not the fault of Cinnamon nor a systemd influence...
Thanks for the info, I will give that a try! In my VM I went with chrony which seemed to mostly do the trick. I thought cinnamon might be using timesyncd or something, but glad it's not a systemd issue, that makes it (hopefully) easier to fix.
Appreciate the welcome and the help I got from a certain wizard
when I made some mistakes during registration. I hope to find some ways to contribute soon, however I can.
Yeah "smart" TVs are becoming more mainstream, sadly. The little known reason why they're cheaper is because you're not really buying the TV as a customer, but rather you're signing up for an ad distribution and data collection service. That's where they're really making money. The best solution I can think of is to try to buy a larger computer monitor that at least comes close to the desired size of your TV. These, at least for now still tend to be relatively "dumb". Probably more costly, but if you can afford it, it's likely worth it to not be spied on and tracked.
Back when I had a smart TV, I set it up, then booted it off the internet and used my Steamdeck as a sort of TV box. It was great - not only could I play games, but things like Netflx just worked without needing to load a slow, proprietary TV app that often crashed.
As a long time Debian user and former Linux Mint user, I finally decided to give Devuan a try, as I face the reality of Debian 12's stale package base. I love that there are still distros that care about user choice, even in something as obscure as our choice of init. The fact that I can change file manager, text editor or even my whole DE but I can't choose a different init without the entire system collapsing on itself is kind of wild to me. Alas, I am preaching to the choir.
First impressions of Devuan are very good. I was unsurprised, (yet still disappointed) that 3rd party repos like ProtonVPN are DOA, since it's built with a hard systemd dependency. It could probably be fixed but that's likely a low priority for them. I went ahead with a manual wireguard setup which they have a decent setup guide for and it worked exactly as on Debian. Hopefully Mozilla's repo works but I haven't tried it yet. (I want a current Firefox, but I refuse to use a Flatpak browser.)
I went with Cinnamon, one of my favorite desktops from the amazing Mint team and it mostly seemed ok but the time was broken in the GUI. I couldn't set it, nor enable network time, probably due to using a systemd component. I don't know if the cinnamon package slipped through the cracks or if systemd is so deeply ingrained that patching it is infeasible for the Devuan team. At any rate, I did more or less fix it by manually installing chrony and configuring NTP that way. GUI remains broken but at least displays the right time as long as I have internet. It does fall back to a bad time without a network but that might be a VM issue.
In any case, I'm really enjoying Devuan so far and look forward to finding out all the little ways I was secretly reliant on systemd's bloated mess. As a Debian user, I deeply value privacy and security and I love that Devuan prioritizes user control and transparency on top of that security-first philosophy. ![]()
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