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#1 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » Yesterday 17:49:33
That article seems like a collection of all the usual buzzwords and expressions a certain political fringe group likes to throw around when they are throwing a tantrum...
It makes me sad to see how immature and brainwashed some people are.
#2 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Where to view system requirements Devuan » 2025-06-24 18:57:24
Where do you see that a minimum microarchitecture level is required?
With regards to Redhat and Suse it's specified on their websites:
Suse:
https://en.opensuse.org/X86-64_microarchitecture_levels
OpenSUSE developers decided to use x86-64-v2 microarchitecture level for Leap 16.0 instead of x86-64-v3, which is used for SUSE SLE 16
Redhat:
https://access.redhat.com/articles/rhel-limits
Red Hat has upgraded the instruction set architecture (ISA) baseline to x86-64-v3 microarchitecture level in RHEL 10. See Deprecation of x86-64-v1 and x86-64-v2 x86_64 microarchitecture CPUs in RHEL9 / x86-64-v3 is required by RHEL10 and Exploring x86-64-v3 for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 10 for more details.
Ubuntu AFAIK has so far only stated that they are thinking about it.
Follow is not really the right word - we use most of their packages without changing them.
So basically if Debian decided to make x86-64-v2 or v3 the minimum requirement then the same would apply to Devuan?
That's bad news as I have a feeling Debian will follow Redhat fairly soon (especially since apparently quite a few influential Debian Devs are Redhat employees, that's at least what I read).
I consider this a very bad development, it's basically forced obsolescence (not unlike what MS did with Win11) of older but still very usable hardware and in developing countries this hardware is still very widely in use.
Basically it destroys the widely held belief that Linux is perfect for giving old PCs which are no longer supported by proprietary OSes a second life.
Of course Redhat/IBM and Suse don't care about this, their customers don't use old hardware, but non profit distros should take this into account.
#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Where to view system requirements Devuan » 2025-06-24 16:46:35
I thought I would add my question here as it's the same topic:
what are Devuans plans with regards to the minimum required x86-64 microarchitecture level? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Mi … ure_levels
I hope Devuan is not going to follow IBM/Rehat which introduced the x86-64-v2 requirement for RHEL8 and more recently the x86-64-v3 requirement for RHEL10.
AFAIK Suse has introduced similar requirements and Ubuntu is planning to do the same.
I still have multiple systems based on AMD Phenom II X4 and X6 processors (and one with an Intel Core2Quad cpu) which are all x86-64-v1 but are still perfectly usable (the are equipped with 8 GB and one with 16 GB of ECC RAM) so I hope that by migrating them to Devuan I can still continue using them for many years (not just with Excalibur but also after that).
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