Thanks for this. This looked so much better.

Yeah, Klipper (the KDE clipboard) can be pretty annoying. I'm not a fan of Plasma but TDE, the equivalent to KDE that MATE is to GNOME, still uses Qt3 and so it looks a bit jarring compared to the applications you use. I don't use TDE these days. MATE is rather good but I fluctuate between it and Xfce, both of which are awaiting more Wayland support. Maybe one day.

I believe you can use GNOME on Devuan (which uses Wayland by default) but I don't think you want that. LOL.

If you want to use KDE with Wayland, I would recommend waiting for Daedulus or using Ceres because 5.26+ has far better support than 5.20. Its still buggy, but far less than the version in Chimaera.

Yes, ConsoleKit2 is what I meant. Would be nice to see it make a comeback. :-)

Yes, I just figured this out so I restored my timeshift snapshot from before.

Well, elogind is extracted from systemd. I don't see why consolekit needed to be replaced, as distros I've tried that still use it (such as PCLinuxOS) work just fine, and since it was still in Devuans repositories (its not in Debians) I wanted to see if it would work. It doesn't, unless you rebuild any components that use the elogind flag.

I should rephrase my use of KDE. I like KDE applications, I do not like KDE Plasma. I can't stand the flat Breeze theme and similar to GNOME's Adwaita it sticks to everything. Trying to make Plasma look a bit more like pre-Plasma is hopeless. I hope LiquidShell gets developed more and makes its way into Devuan one day (who knows, I could package it). I typically use Trinity desktop, but the really old Qt version and inability to keep up like MATE has driven me away.

The newer Plasma versions after Chimaera have improved Wayland support by a lot. I'm ready to see what Daedulus will bring, if I'm still running Plasma by then..

I would use Wayland but in the latest stable its buggy as hell on KDE, especially with Flatpaks.

AFAIK, its not possible in Chimaera because pipewire replacing pulseaudio uses some systemd magic, at least in the wiki page for it.

I for one notice no difference at all from either, they serve a similar purpose. If apulse worked with flatpaks I would gladly get rid of pulseaudio/pipewire.

Can confirm the same issue now. I used to not like Discover or Plasma in general but they've grown on me, Discover reminds me of "Pamac" on Manjaro years ago.

Thierrybo, that is a great explanation. I guess its better to wait, at least we can just browse through the categories manually for now.

I don't think UsrMerge hurts anything, it should make porting applications easier for everybody. For once the arguments that Lennart (I assume thats who wrote that freedesktop article) gave actually make sense here. When the option comes I will probably switch over.

Pipewire is just as much of a cancer as pulseaudio, if not worse. It did not "magically solve" my popping issues, even after extensive configuration with media-session and wireplumber both.

I find ALSA to work out of the box on Devuan so long as you set the default card to the right one. And don't install from tasksel, I found out the hard way that I had that crap and it already messed everything up.