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#1 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 20:47:23

And prize exhibit C:

golinux wrote:

Please take that nonsense to social media. Not appropriate here.

You talk crap to your own users, but the moment someone wants to loosen the tensions here lately, you go all gestapo and start closing and nuking threads/posts. Yet, your own example is to berate people, just as you've been doing for years. That's some of the biggest bullshit I've ever seen, and particularly that you've never contributed a single line of code. Tinkering with generic Clearlooks CSS files and "hosting" a typical small forum is something anyone can do. Developers and maintainers on other distro forums don't pull nearly the kind of crap that goes on here with the (over)moderating, and when they need help, they do it correctly, instead of bitching and moaning to their own loyal users.

The real JOKE is the way things are run here, and maybe even Devuan (it really is just a Debian with some packages that happen to work with SysVinit, a package suite that Debian already provides). You micromanage the living shit out of a public forum. That's what drives people away from here and eventually Devuan altogether. Do you really want that? Keep it up, and eventually your active user count (sans the staff) will be zero. Your failure to listen to what people like Steve_V had to say regarding Devuan's future will ultimately fall on you, and people will move on from this distro. Make your bed, and lay in it.

#2 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 09:24:54

steve_v wrote:

You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?
lol

Yup, doing it again. Next, I'm sure, is the deprecation of text highlighting...

Those poor, poor bits and bytes that could've been used for more whining instead.

#3 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 08:21:34

steve_v wrote:

Wait, this isn't this go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I swear that's what thesign on the door said...

Probably will be now, since I'm quoting your entire post. Whoops.

#4 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-22 08:13:29

All I will say is that I'm quite surprised this dumpster fire of a thread is STILL GOING (long after the issue had been marked as solved), when that "joke" thread has been locked not one, but two times already -- and all it took for the latter action was an undesirable regular getting shit on. Greenjeans and I were the only ones who actually posted content that WAS on-topic, instead of dad "jokes" or back-and-forth pessimistic arguing.

#6 Re: Off-topic » The Joke Thread » 2025-08-20 07:15:18

I see now why I switched to Devuan...
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#8 Re: Documentation » Make QT5 and QT6 apps use your GTK theme » 2025-07-20 19:36:14

For good measure...

NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 QT_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 QT_PLATFORM_PLUGIN=gtk2 GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0 exec startxfce4 --with-ck-launch

Replace startxfce4 with any other DE or WM of your choosing. The NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 is needed if you're on GTK3 and don't like those extra D-Bus "accessibility" things from GN*ME. GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0 keeps the scrollbar always visible, even away from focus (never understood why this wasn't the default). --with-ck-launch for the ConsoleKit2 enjoyers (you are still using a part of Systemd with Elogind).

#9 Re: DIY » Announcement of the OpenMATE desktop environment » 2025-07-20 19:30:00

Any updates on this?

All the GitHub URLs still point to a 404 page, which means either you forgot to point us to the active repository or this project is dead. What a shame... Especially in the wake of all this XLibre stuff.

Will continue to just use Xfce 4.12 (GTK2) until I'm finally done with all technology...

#11 Re: DIY » Thumbnail caching script for PcmanFM » 2025-06-27 21:35:09

This looks pretty interesting. Thanks for your contribution!

Would this work with SpaceFM? Since it's forked from PCManFM (before the rewrite).

#12 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-27 19:06:33

GNOME is such a bad joke. Remember when they started a "campaign" against theme makers? All in an ill attempt to claim GTK for themselves... Glad I went back to GTK2 (only stuff like LibreWolf are GTK3, which I unfortunately need to supplement Pale Moon's inability to load a lot of modern Web sites that are bloated).

Also, I highly recommend reading through the original SpaceFM maintainer IgnorantGuru's blog post about GNOME here. It was published way back on November 5, 2012, yet so much of what's written still rings true to this day -- in fact, they've only gotten much worse. A great read, still. The guy mentioning he "doesn't know what Xfce is or does" is the cherry on top.

#13 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-26 22:56:26

The GNOME blog article going off about "fascist maggots" was taken down (out of shame), but you can read the latest archived version here.

#14 Re: Freedom Hacks » Switching to GTK2 from GTK3 on Post-Beowulf Devuan Releases » 2025-06-26 05:55:29

Interestingly, Ardour (a DAW similar to Audacity, but far more advanced with customization features) will remain GTK2-only software (thus no Wayland support) for the foreseeable future. See this post in a Phoronix thread where the original poster cries about it "still" being on GTK2. This one is the most important, which I shall quote below:

From a project-level perspective, perhaps the most important change is that we have moved the source code of our GUI toolkit (GTK v2) into the Ardour source tree. This has no impact whatsoever on people using the builds provided at ardour.org 2.

However, this version of GTK is about to be deprecated by a number of Linux distributions, and without this change it will become more difficult for both individual users and Linux package maintainers to continue building Ardour. This also leaves us free to (slowly) strip down aspects of the toolkit that we do not use, and potentially modify it as needed in the future. It also means that even the distribution builds of Ardour for Linux will contain our patches to GTK, which has historically not been the case.

Q: "Does this mean native Wayland support will come in the future?"
A: No plans for Wayland support. Doing the work will get our users nothing, more or less.

Q: "No plans to update to a newer GTK version?"
A: "No plans to ever move to a newer version of GTK. That work will get our users very little, and so the cost/benefit analysis says “nope”."

#15 Re: DIY » Working on a new app, the learning curve continues... » 2025-06-25 19:29:06

Looks cool. What toolkit are you using?

Apart from probably the search bar, you could also create this using YAD (maybe even Zenity). I've been studying up on some custom GUI boxes using this method. This example for reading system information is one of my favorites I've come across so far (a nice drop-in replacement for Hardinfo). It looks good on GTK2.

#16 Re: Installation » How to Install XLibre on Devuan Daedalus (MATE)? » 2025-06-24 06:25:32

@LibertySysadmin:

If you use IRC, there's also an #xlibre channel at irc.libera.chat. smile

#18 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-21 01:08:27

steve_v wrote:

Well somebody has to actually test the thing, no? If we all just sit around waiting for the magical pixies to do everything, nothing gets done.

No, I would be happy to test it out and report back on any issues I find. I just dislike the rituals of compiling in general. Provide the necessary DEB files, and they'll be stress tested.

Wayland is banned in this house, and I withhold any support I might've had for projects that started deprecating X11 and/or pushing for Wayland adoption.

#19 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-20 22:36:24

Yeah, I can't wait to finally start using XLibre by means of DEB files. I know I could just compile, but I'd rather trust an experienced packager with getting that available on Debian (whether officially or unofficially) first.

If and when I am forced to move on from Daedalus (because there's going to be even more Systemd when Debian releases Trixie, plus more bloated horseshit from upstream) or onto some rolling release distro, XLibre will be mandatory for me to install and use.

I VIL not install Wayland and I VIL be happy.

#20 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-16 20:51:52

zapper wrote:

I just hope XLIBRE isn't tainted by the ideology of the person developing it. He supposedly is a fascist, I hope he keeps his views out of his project.

Seems like he keeps much of his views out of the project, so "both sides" can be happy about that. What, because the Code of Conduct page says "404", that makes him a "fascist"? Or someone who's just tired of all the GNOMEsense (pronounced "nonsense")? For what it's worth, I agree with him on most of his personal politics (especially the risks of the mRNA jabs, which I am glad I never got) and would be really disappointed if he was just LARPing all along.

But, that's another topic for another day. This is about the software, not what we personally think of the author. I'll gladly prefer him over some mentally ill cross dresser doing everything in his power to stifle the GNU/Linux desktop experience. A lot of of us have had enough of that. It's already conflicting there are anti-Wayland folks who don't mind Systemd. They should be cautious of both.

zapper wrote:

Although, Xenocara also exists and I tend  to think that might be a better option.

OpenBSD's Xenocara is already experimenting with Wayland.

#21 Re: Freedom Hacks » Switching to GTK2 from GTK3 on Post-Beowulf Devuan Releases » 2025-06-16 06:16:10

Do the happy dance! I finally got rid of Thunderbird as my e-mail client, thanks to the versatility of Claws Mail (last GTK2 version being 3.17.8). Much like SpaceFM, it's very customizable, and you get a lot of handy plugins for security and encryption. I recommend this guide to hardening your Claws Mail profile(s). Claws Mail's official wiki can also be a good resource on setting things up. Surprisingly, the ArchWiki does not have a page on Claws Mail (they usually do).

#22 Re: Off-topic » GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still... » 2025-06-16 06:10:13

Too bad no one forked GTK2. GNOME's developers are really abhorrent people (and that's putting it nicely).

At least X11Libre exists -- so far, Artix GNU/Linux already has it packaged, and the AUR also has a build.

#23 Re: Freedom Hacks » Switching to GTK2 from GTK3 on Post-Beowulf Devuan Releases » 2025-06-12 21:02:37

For a worthy RSS feed reader, I recommend using the last GTK2 version of Liferea, which is 1.8.7, but the last one Debian packaged is 1.8.6. The dependencies should be resolvable if using the standalone DEB from sometime in 2012 (the current Debian stable release at that time was Squeeze, but Wheezy was a year away from the testing freeze).

Anyway, Liferea is great, and it has some cool features, like managing different categories for your feeds, opening an item within the program (in a new tab, as if it were a browser), minimizing to a tray icon with notifications and total new feeds, and setting up proxy connections and what to use to download file enclosures (e.g. Mpv for videos, Leafpad for text files). It's a great tool that's still useful to this day.

Thanks to Liferea's exceeding pros, I no longer have a use for Newsboat, which was already freezing up at random and has Rust stains in its code...

#24 Desktop and Multimedia » XLibre: The New Xorg Fork » 2025-06-08 03:26:17

brocashelm
Replies: 17

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver

Looks like Xorg enjoyers like myself can breathe a sigh -- the legacy display server has been hard forked as XLibre now by the 2024 top commit contributor to the project.

Artix GNU/Linux will be packaging this on their official repositories soon, although I know Devuan's maintainers will say this is of no interest to them, because it doesn't have anything to do with Systemd (regardless of their manpower).

So, who wants to bet Debian will show any interest in this (not all of their developers like Wayland)? In the near future, giving the user the choice between Wayland and Xorg XLibre doesn't sound all that bad to me...

Also, for those who were wondering, yes, they do have a Code of Conduct.

#25 Re: News & Announcements » Chrome based browsers and uBlock Origin » 2025-05-21 03:35:45

@greenjeans:

Good call on the AppImages. They can be a simple and efficient way to access software rarely packaged onto your distro without the need for building or installing from third-party repositories. Besides, you could use the LibreWolf AppImage for the time being to get a feel for the browser -- try it before you actually do install it from their Debian repository. Just remember to set it as executable (or chmod +x it), or it won't launch.

Might I also recommend, while we're on the subject of AppImages and modern browsers, to have a look at the FreeTube privacy client for watching YouTube videos ad-free? It's very user-friendly, "modern", and uses their own servers for their API (Invidious relies on Google's servers). There are DEB files available, but you could also try their AppImage, Flatpak, and other provided packaged binaries for GNU/Linux.

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