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#1 Re: Devuan » What happened at devuan.org? » 2019-04-05 22:02:58

Can we please stop this before it starts and not pollute a third forum with the same bullshit that infected FDN and DUF?

If one moves house with a partner one argues with, arguments will still happen in the new residence. Changes will only come about if people make a concerted effort to improve. It's quite obvious that the old FDN userbase is increasingly coming over here, which is great, but please let's leave the old issues behind.

It would be a great shame if the Devuan forums went the same way as the other two. Please can we not let this place suffer the same fate.

#2 Re: Devuan » What happened at devuan.org? » 2019-04-05 09:37:29

I think it's fine to move on as long as lessons are learned.

It should be noted that in spite of what used to go on in development teams, the Linux userbase has drastically changed in the last few years. Now there are many people who are newer to the game and who do not understand this older style of *nix humour and for which a hacking prank would be a serious concern, myself included. Saying words to the effect of, "it's an old-style joke" is not sufficient. Things change, social climates change, userbases change. Some of what we could say 50 years ago, or even ten years ago, is now no longer acceptable. Some of it can get one into serious trouble. I am all for free speech and detest this new climate of 'hate speech' and 'offence' but I also acknowledge that attitudes and perceptions change along with the generations.

We can all move on from this with the knowledge that it was not the best prank to pull. It was something appreciated by some of the older devs but for many others the joke misfired was totally inappropriate. Devuan is still a fledgling distro and though they are running an old, pure Debian-style distro of the '90/2000s it's advisable to keep their attitudes towards their userbase fresh and respectful.

#3 Re: Devuan » What happened at devuan.org? » 2019-04-02 10:13:01

Panopticon wrote:

I like what void linux did, its no longer available to see but they made their homepage look like arch linux with the A for Arch upside down so it looked like a V for Void linux!

Or like Slackware who dispensed with their traditional Courier 10 Pitch font a few years ago and replaced it with Comic Sans for the day. It was a subtle change, but it was noticed and appreciated.

Such a joke should make users appreciate the distro and the ethos behind it more, not less. The distro should not be pranking its userbase.

I personally will, nevertheless, continue to run Devuan on my main laptop. I am hoping that the devs will look back on this and learn.

ChuangTzu and cynwulf, good posts as always.

#4 Re: Devuan » What happened at devuan.org? » 2019-04-01 10:35:44

I personally find this puerile. There are some people [seasoned *nixers among them] who don't view Devuan as a serious project, this doesn't help.

Something subtle would have been better.

#5 Re: Installation » mini.iso 16-2-2019 BUG does not install on M2 disks » 2019-03-30 18:56:17

fsmithred wrote:

Good to know. Thanks. Is gdisk any better?

Maybe your disk shows up in /dev/disk/by-*.  Oh, wouldn't /dev/mmcblk0 be the whole device? Shouldn't you be mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 or something? (Maybe you just didn't type the entire name.)

On second thoughts this may actually be an issue with the Slackware fdisk/cfdisk installer. Slackware 14.2 does not recognise M.2 disks yet.

#6 Re: Devuan » Using Debian packages » 2019-03-30 18:54:30

Thank you very much for the responses, everyone. Spotify works perfectly, as does Vivaldi. I know Spotify is proprietary but I use it regardless of distro.

#7 Devuan » Using Debian packages » 2019-03-29 10:17:43

Lysander
Replies: 24

Apologies if this has been posted before.

Occasionally I use Debian packages if there is no Devuan equivalent.

Examples - Spotify, yandex-disk, owncloud [OK I haven't done the latter yet but I plan to].

Is this OK/safe to do? I imagine that it wouldn't be a problem but I thought it best to check.

#8 Re: Devuan » Devuan's planetary theming » 2019-03-26 18:45:57

cynwulf wrote:

As the Adobe Illustrator brush is used to create the image, with the ragged edges and can reproduce the logo reliably, it simply can't be securely copyrighted.  So just not as defensible as e.g. the Tux, GNU or Beastie logos.

I must admit to finding it very amusing that Debian, the original free software zealot OS, did not only use a brush from proprietary software to make its logo, it was the logo. Just great.

golinux wrote:

This was discussed extensively on the DNG mail list where many suggestions were offered.  You can find those posts in the archive.  One of the main reasons we use the names of minor planets is that there is a minor planet named Jessie so that made a neat segue into the fork from Debian Jessie to Devuan Jessie.  Many of us are trekkies and we forked around the time of Lenoard Nemoy's death.  We actually used the Vulcan hand gesture on a bright red background for our very first iso splash screen.  There are also a LOT of minor planet names to choose from.

Yes I saw, you're not going to run out any time soon. Thanks for the clarification on that point and the detailed answers to my question.

golinux wrote:

It is the orbit of Ceres.

It was one day later, anyway. Originally it's just given as "a small object in orbit" though one day later it says it's Ceres. I wonder why that happened [and Ceres in particular].

EDIT: now I see why it's Ceres in particular, because it was the orbit of the fifth inner [dwarf] planet, whereas the other four formed the line of the 'D'.

golinux wrote:

There was a "contest" which didn't produce a "winner" even though some of the suggestions were quite nice.  But once the planetary theme was chosen, none of those was really relevant.

Some of those designs are really, really terrible. And yes, I could have done better [than the terrible ones, anyway]. It was very interesting to see the developing stages of the final logo through.

golinux wrote:

*edit* Just found the Vulcan spash screen tucked away in an old gitlab issue

"Where no toy has gone before"? You should have passed that one to Ann Summers.

#9 Devuan » Devuan's planetary theming » 2019-03-26 10:28:59

Lysander
Replies: 5

I'm not putting this in off-topic because it's very much on topic. I have searched but I can't find much documentation about why Devuan uses a planetary theme. OK, so I see one of the devs is an astronomer, is there any other reason? Is it because Devuan is 'out of this world' [or something like that]?

Also, the 'D' of Devuan is highly stylised. Does it represent a comet or a planet in orbit?

Debian's logo has caused a lot of speculation over time but now we know more or less what it means and exactly how it was created [if you don't know how, it's hilarious]. It would be good to clear up any confusion about the Devuan logo and thematic. Apologies if I have missed any already-existent information.

#10 Re: Installation » mini.iso 16-2-2019 BUG does not install on M2 disks » 2019-03-25 09:46:55

I have tried both /dev/mmcblk0 and /dev/mmcblk0p1. Using dmesg, lsblk, df -[x], or any such commands to at least recognise it cede nothing. The utility just seems incapable of seeing it.

It may involve a BIOS setting.

#11 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] disabling slim » 2019-03-25 09:40:00

It would be good if this were given as an option during install. Personally I would prefer to drop to console rather than use a greeter.

#12 Re: Installation » mini.iso 16-2-2019 BUG does not install on M2 disks » 2019-03-25 09:31:21

fsmithred wrote:

Does fdisk or lspci see the M2 disk? What's the device name? (/dev/nvme* or something else?)
Is there any useful info in /var/log/installer/syslog?

In my experience fdisk is not good with recognising SD cards - inasmuch as it doesn't see them at all. It's the same for cfdisk but no problem for a graphical installer. Attempting to mount the disk manually doesn't work [/dev/mmcblk0]. It may be a similar issue with M2 disks. I have spent hours looking round the internet for a solution but have found nothing.

#13 Re: Devuan » Meet cinnabar (Beowulf default theme) » 2019-03-23 14:41:53

Excellent theme and very befitting of the distro name for 3.0. Looks almost battlelike.

#14 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-18 18:31:25

OK thank you very much for clearing all that up. I see a refracta update has been pushed out.

#15 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-18 15:13:58

fsmithred wrote:

The re-use home option was set up so that the installer would exclude /home from the rsync copy of the live system. I think the installer did exactly what it was told to do, which is not the same as doing what anyone needs it to do.

Indeed.

fsmithred wrote:

I'm not sure why you had to add a user.  Is there still a user in /etc/passwd named devuan with id 1000?

No, just me:

lysander:x:1000:44:,,,:/home/lysander:/bin/bash

And this is interesting as well:

nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin

I note that I was there after the initial install as 1000:1000 but I still couldn't start x. So it seemed to set it up in /etc/passwd but it didn't create the user properly. Strange.

#16 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-18 11:12:26

Thank you for clarifying this - but my question was not necessarily about that, but do you know why it did not set up a /home user's directory [twice], I had to add one after install via adduser and then manually add myself to audio, video, netdev and plugdev?

#17 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 22:53:44

fsmithred wrote:

It should be in the primary user's home directory, named refractainstaller_error.log (or something close to that.) If it's not there, get the one from /var/log/, but that one won't be complete. (it gets copied with the rest of the system, before the installer is finished.)

No, nothing that I can see in the /home directory. Here's the one from /var/log, as you say it's not complete, but maybe there's something of use there.

+ echo 'Version:	Refracta UEFI/BIOS Installer (Yad) 9.4.2 (20180523)'
+ [[ -f /usr/bin/yad ]]
++ yad --version
++ cut -d. -f2
+ yadversion=38
+ [[ 38 < 17 ]]
+ [[ ! -d /lib/live/mount/medium ]]
+ yad '--title=Refracta UEFI/BIOS Installer (Yad) 9.4.2 (20180523)' --width=480 --button=Continue:0 --button=Exit:1 --center --borders=10 '--text=

 This utility will install a running live-CD or live-USB to your hard drive.

 This is free software that comes with no warranty or guarantee of any 
 type, including but not limited to express, implied, merchantability or 
 fitness of purpose. 

 Copyright 2011-2018 fsmithred@gmail.com, 
 based on refractainstaller-8.0.3 by Dean Linkous. \n Version: Refracta UEFI/BIOS Installer (Yad) 9.4.2 (20180523) \n\n KNOWN BUG:\n\tIf you run the graphical installer in a VirtualBox VM\n\tAND you are using yad-0.38 (from stretch/ascii) you might\n\tnot see some of the windows. Use the text-only installer.\n\t(Run '\''refractainstaller'\'' from root terminal.)\n

 '
+ mode=0
+ case $mode in
+ install=expert
+ [[ -f /usr/lib/refractainstaller/installer_exclude.list ]]
++ dpkg -l
++ egrep 'ii  grub|hi  grub'
++ awk '$2 ~ "grub-[eglp]" { print $2}'
++ grep -v doc
++ grep -v bin
+ grubversion=grub-efi-amd64
++ env LC_ALL=C fdisk -l
++ awk '/Disklabel type/ { print $3 }'
++ grep gpt
+ gpt_list=
++ env LC_ALL=C fdisk -l
++ awk '/BIOS boot/ { print $1 }'
+ bios_grub_dev=
++ env LC_ALL=C fdisk -l
++ awk '/EFI System/ { print $0 }'
++ wc -l
+ esp_count=0
+ [[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ]]
++ env LC_ALL=C fdisk -l
++ awk '/EFI System/ { print $0 }'
+ esp_list=
+ '[' 0 -eq 1 ']'
+ '[' 0 -gt 1 ']'
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ [[ grub-efi-amd64 =~ grub-efi ]]
+ grub_package='grub-pc*.deb'
++ ls /grub-pc_2.02~beta3-5_amd64.deb
+ grub_debs=/grub-pc_2.02~beta3-5_amd64.deb
+ [[ -n /grub-pc_2.02~beta3-5_amd64.deb ]]
+ grub_package_message='grub package(s) found in '
+ grub_efi_warning='				### WARNING ### 
	grub-pc is not installed but you booted in bios mode.

If you have the grub-pc deb packages, you will be given a chance to install them into the new system.

	grub package(s) found in 
/grub-pc_2.02~beta3-5_amd64.deb
'
+ yad '--title=Refracta UEFI/BIOS Installer (Yad) 9.4.2 (20180523)' --width=480 --button=Help:0 --button=Continue:1 --button=Abort:2 --center --borders=10 '--text=
				### WARNING ### 
	grub-pc is not installed but you booted in bios mode.

If you have the grub-pc deb packages, you will be given a chance to install them into the new system.

	grub package(s) found in 
/grub-pc_2.02~beta3-5_amd64.deb






You can skip creating the uefi bootloader, finish the installation, and
use another installed linux to boot this one.

DO NOT FORMAT A PRE-EXISTING EFI PARTITION!!!
	'
+ answer=1
+ case "$answer" in
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ var15=TRUE
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ var16=TRUE
++ ls -m /usr/lib/refractainstaller/pre-install
+ pre_install_list=loc-timezn.sh
++ ls -m /usr/lib/refractainstaller/post-install
+ post_install_list=cleanup-install.sh
++ blkid -c /dev/null
++ grep swap
+ [[ -n /dev/mmcblk0p2: UUID="43a780d4-71ee-4cb3-8366-0cdafa02f78e" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="a8ca9901-02" ]]
+ var3=TRUE
+ [[ expert = \e\x\p\e\r\t ]]
++ yad --list '--title=Installation Options' --center --borders=10 '--text=Check the options you want for the installation.\n
If you don'\''t understand an option, you probably don'\''t need it.\n' --checklist --column Choose --column :HD --column Option --width=590 --height=555 --button=OK:0 --button=Exit:1 FALSE 01 'Create a new, separate /home partition' FALSE 08 'EXPERIMENTAL: Use an existing /home partition. (Keep old files)' FALSE 02 'Create a separate /boot partition' TRUE 03 'Use existing swap partition instead of swapfile.' FALSE 04 'Encrypt the root filesystem (with or without separate /boot)' FALSE 05 'Encrypt the /home partition (separate /home required)' FALSE 06 'Write random data to encrypted partitions (more secure)' FALSE 07 'Write zeroes to all partitions (to erase previous data)' FALSE 09 'Do not format filesystems. I'\''ll handle it myself.' TRUE 10 'Use UUID in fstab and crypttab. (Useful if drive order changes.)' FALSE 11 'Use filesystem labels (disk labels) in /etc/fstab.' TRUE 12 'Disable automatic login to desktop.' TRUE 13 'Disable automatic login to console. (sysvinit only)' FALSE 14 'Move selected directories to separate partitions.' TRUE 15 'Run pre-install scripts (listed below)
loc-timezn.sh' TRUE 16 'Run post-install scripts (listed below)
cleanup-install.sh'
+ opts='TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL: Use an existing /home partition. (Keep old files)|
TRUE|03|Use existing swap partition instead of swapfile.|
TRUE|10|Use UUID in fstab and crypttab. (Useful if drive order changes.)|
TRUE|12|Disable automatic login to desktop.|
TRUE|13|Disable automatic login to console. (sysvinit only)|
TRUE|15|Run pre-install scripts (listed below)
loc-timezn.sh|
TRUE|16|Run post-install scripts (listed below)
cleanup-install.sh|'
+ [[ 0 = 1 ]]
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ grep -q 01
++ grep -q 08
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ sep_home=yes
+ keep_old_home=yes
+ old_home_message='Existing /home partition will be used; old files will be preserved.'
++ grep -q 02
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ grep -q 03
+ use_existing_swap=yes
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ grep -q 04
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ grep -q 05
++ grep -q 06
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ grep -q 07
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ grep -q 09
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ no_format=
++ grep -q 10
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ use_uuid=yes
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
++ grep -q 11
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ '[' '' = yes ']'
++ grep -q 12
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ disable_auto_desktop=yes
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
++ grep -q 13
+ disable_auto_console=yes
++ grep -q 14
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ [[ -h /usr/lib/refractainstaller/post-install/move-dir-mount-gui.sh ]]
++ grep -q 15
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ run_preinstall=yes
++ grep -q 16
++ echo 'TRUE|08|EXPERIMENTAL:' Use an existing /home partition. '(Keep' old 'files)|' 'TRUE|03|Use' existing swap partition instead of 'swapfile.|' 'TRUE|10|Use' UUID in fstab and crypttab. '(Useful' if drive order 'changes.)|' 'TRUE|12|Disable' automatic login to 'desktop.|' 'TRUE|13|Disable' automatic login to console. '(sysvinit' 'only)|' 'TRUE|15|Run' pre-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'loc-timezn.sh|' 'TRUE|16|Run' post-install scripts '(listed' 'below)' 'cleanup-install.sh|'
+ run_postinstall=yes
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ '' != \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ list_disks
+ env LC_ALL=C fdisk -l
+ egrep '^Disk|^/dev'
+ echo
+ env LC_ALL=C blkid -c /dev/null
+ partition_disk
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ '[' '' = yes ']'
+ cli_partition_tool=cfdisk
+ yad --title=Partitioning '--button=Run GParted:0' '--button=Run cfdisk:1' --width=650 '--button=Skip this step:2' --button=Exit:3 --center --borders=10 '--text=  You need to have at least one partition ready for the installation, plus one for each separate  
  partition that you chose. If you already have the partition(s) ready, you can skip this step.

  Run the partitioner now?'
+ yad --text-info --title=Disks --borders=10 --width 550 --height 400 --button=Close:0
+ cat /tmp/diskinfo
+ ans=0
+ case $ans in
+ gparted
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ -z grub-pc*.deb ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ -n '' ]]
+ choose_root
++ find /dev -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1
++ egrep '*[shv]d[a-z][1-99]|*nvme[0-9]n[0-9]p[1-99]|*mmcblk[0-9]p[1-99]'
++ awk '{if ($0 != "") {print "\n" $0 }}'
++ yad --list '--title=Root Partition' --center --borders=10 '--text=Choose a partition to use for the installation of the operating system.' --separator= --column ' ' --column Partitions --height 380 --width 200 --button=OK:0
++ sort
+ install_dev=/dev/mmcblk0p1
+ [[ -z /dev/mmcblk0p1 ]]
+ [[ -b /dev/mmcblk0p1 ]]
+ [[ /dev/mmcblk0p1 = '' ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ choose_fs_os
++ yad --list '--title=Root Filesystem' --center --borders=10 '--text=What type of filesystem would you like on /dev/mmcblk0p1?' --separator= --column Format --height=200 --button=OK:0 ext4 ext3 ext2
+ fs_type_os=ext4
+ [[ -z ext4 ]]
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ choose_home
++ find /dev -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1
++ egrep '*[shv]d[a-z][1-99]|*nvme[0-9]n[0-9]p[1-99]|*mmcblk[0-9]p[1-99]'
++ awk '{if ($0 != "") {print "\n" $0 }}'
++ yad --list '--title=/home partition' --center --borders=10 '--text=Select a partition for /home' --separator= --column ' ' --column Partitions --height=380 --width=200 --button=OK:0
++ sort
+ home_dev=/dev/mmcblk0p3
+ [[ -n /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ [[ -b /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ [[ /dev/mmcblk0p1 = /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ [[ '' = /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ [[ -n /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
++ blkid -s TYPE /dev/mmcblk0p3
++ awk '-F"' '{ print $2 }'
+ fs_type_home=ext4
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ choose_swap
++ /sbin/blkid
++ grep swap
++ awk '{if ($0 != "") {print "\n" $0 }}'
++ yad --list '--title=swap partition' --center --borders=10 '--text=Select a partition for swap.' --separator= --column ' ' --column Partitions --height=180 --width=600 --button=OK:0
+ swap_info='/dev/mmcblk0p2: UUID="43a780d4-71ee-4cb3-8366-0cdafa02f78e" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="a8ca9901-02"'
++ echo /dev/mmcblk0p2: 'UUID="43a780d4-71ee-4cb3-8366-0cdafa02f78e"' 'TYPE="swap"' 'PARTUUID="a8ca9901-02"'
++ awk -F: '{ print $1 }'
+ swap_dev=/dev/mmcblk0p2
+ [[ -z /dev/mmcblk0p2 ]]
+ [[ '' = \g\r\u\b\-\e\f\i ]]
+ [[ -n grub-pc*.deb ]]
+ grub_dev_message='--> You will be asked about a bootloader later.'
+ [[ -n '' ]]
+ [[ '' = yes ]]
+ [[ -z /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ home_dev_message='Existing /home partition will be used; old files will be preserved.'
+ [[ -n /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ [[ '' = yes ]]
+ [[ -n '' ]]
+ proceed_message='*** If it seems like the installer stopped, check the terminal for messages. ***'
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ desktop_message='Desktop autologin will be disabled.'
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ console_message='Console autologin will be disabled.'
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ install_dev_message='--> Operating system will be installed on /dev/mmcblk0p1 and formatted as ext4'
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ preinstall_message='pre-install scripts are enabled.'
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ postinstall_message='post-install scripts are enabled.'
+ yad --info --title=Summary --center --borders=10 '--button=Proceed with the installation.:0' --button=Exit:1 '--text=Please CLOSE any running applications NOW.

Here is a summary of what will be done. THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO EXIT before the system is installed.

--> You will be asked about a bootloader later.
--> Operating system will be installed on /dev/mmcblk0p1 and formatted as ext4
Existing /home partition will be used; old files will be preserved.

Desktop autologin will be disabled.
Console autologin will be disabled.


pre-install scripts are enabled.
post-install scripts are enabled.


*** If it seems like the installer stopped, check the terminal for messages. ***'
+ [[ 0 != \0 ]]
+ [[ yes = \y\e\s ]]
+ for file in /usr/lib/refractainstaller/pre-install/*
+ [[ -x /usr/lib/refractainstaller/pre-install/loc-timezn.sh ]]
+ bash /usr/lib/refractainstaller/pre-install/loc-timezn.sh
+ cleanup
+ echo -e '\n @@@ Cleaning up...\n'
+ tee /dev/fd/63
++ grep -q /target/proc/
++ yad --progress --pulsate --width=350 --auto-close --title=Cleanup
++ df
++ df
++ grep -q /target/dev/
++ df
++ grep -q /target/sys/
++ df
++ grep -q
Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]...
Try 'grep --help' for more information.
++ df
++ grep -q
Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]...
Try 'grep --help' for more information.
++ df
++ grep -q /target_boot/efi
++ df
++ grep -q /target_boot
++ df
++ grep -q /target_home
++ df
++ grep -q /dev/mmcblk0p3
++ df
++ grep -q '\/dev\/mapper\/home_fs'
+ [[ -h /dev/mapper/home_fs ]]
++ df
++ grep -q /target
++ df
++ grep -q /dev/mmcblk0p1
++ df
++ grep '\/dev\/mapper\/root_fs'
+ [[ -h /dev/mapper/root_fs ]]
+ [[ -d /target ]]
+ [[ -d /target_home ]]
+ [[ -d /target_boot ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ '' = \y\e\s ]]
+ mkdir /target
+ check_exit
+ exit_code=0
+ [[ 0 -ne 0 ]]
+ [[ '' = yes ]]
+ install_part=/dev/mmcblk0p1
+ [[ '' != \y\e\s ]]
+ mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p1
mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)

(yad:4550): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion 'tag > 0' failed
+ mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /target
+ check_exit
+ exit_code=0
+ [[ 0 -ne 0 ]]
+ [[ -n /dev/mmcblk0p3 ]]
+ mkdir /target_home
+ check_exit
+ exit_code=0
+ [[ 0 -ne 0 ]]
+ [[ '' = yes ]]
+ home_part=/dev/mmcblk0p3
+ [[ '' != \y\e\s ]]
+ [[ -z yes ]]
+ [[ -z yes ]]
+ sep_home_opt='--exclude=/home/*'
+ [[ -n '' ]]
+ tee /dev/fd/63
++ yad --progress --pulsate --width=350 --auto-close '--title=Copying system to new partition.'
+ rsync -av / /target/ '--filter=P lost+found' '--filter=H lost+found' --exclude-from=/usr/lib/refractainstaller/installer_exclude.list '--exclude=/home/*' --delete-before --delete-excluded

#18 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2019-03-17 21:54:24

I'm really impressed with some of the desktops here. Normally there are some very dubious ones around but here, and especially on this page, there are some great additions. I really love the dark styles of the ones by imhigh.today and zephyr, fantastic choices and environments to work with.

This Ultrabook has had something of a workout today but I think everything is now finished. All updates are done and I've backported Libreoffice to version 6. I'm happy to stay with the stable kernel. Everything seems to be working well now. And to think this machine was going to be destroyed at my workplace because it was Windows 8 and 'too old' - what a waste, it's probably the best laptop I've ever used.

Normally after I install an OS for the first time I have a list of apps to monitor. I don't really have anything at the moment to watch, everything seems to be functioning well.

Screenshot_2019-03-17_21-42-08.md.png

#19 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 20:11:56

fsmithred wrote:

If you got a refractainstaller log in your home, I'd like to see it and try to figure out what went wrong. You can send it to me at gmail or paste it somewhere and provide the link.

Thanks.

Yes of course, how would I go about finding it?

#20 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 15:29:44

fsmithred wrote:

I'm pleased you were able to install to an mmc device. I assume you used the graphical installer, and it showed your partitions correctly. You're the first I've heard of doing that, and I've been wondering if it really works.

It works very well indeed and yes, it was the graphical installer. Devuan absolutely flies on this SD card. After a reinstall and repartition, things are looking like this:

lysander@lysultra-iv:~$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev            1.8G     0  1.8G   0% /dev
tmpfs           363M  1.1M  362M   1% /run
/dev/mmcblk0p1  9.9G  3.9G  5.6G  42% /
tmpfs           5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs           1.8G   55M  1.7G   4% /run/shm
/dev/mmcblk0p3   44G  3.7G   38G   9% /home
tmpfs           1.8G     0  1.8G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs           363M   12K  363M   1% /run/user/1000

So that's a lot more room on  /home. I almost feel spoilt.

fsmithred wrote:

Upgrade to beowulf will not mess with /usr or /sbin. It won't change your directories.

I'm going to stick with ASCII for now. I'm on a capped connection so can't do much downloading. I have to really watch my bandwidth most of the time, and I tend to do software updates and any heavy downloading in the pub [which is where the Devuan .iso was downloaded].

fsmithred wrote:

Putting home on a separate partition is not the experimental feature. That's been there since around 2011 and does exactly what it's supposed to do - it formats a separate partition, mounts it at /home and copies the live home to it.

No, I think I understand that, leaving the /home partition untouched for the user is the experimental feature.

fsmithred wrote:

If you change the user name during the install, it will rename things in your home, including instances of /home/user inside some files that will be changed to /home/your-new-name.

Well, unless I'm misunderstanding, something is going wrong somewhere. This was a new live install and a new /home partition. Of course I created a user during the install, but it didn't seem to want to create a directory for that user in /home so I had to do it manually.

fsmithred wrote:

The installer should not have formatted the re-used partition. Was it a new, empty partition to begin with , or did all your files get wiped?

Oh it didn't. Yesterday it worked as intended, by keeping the files intact, but today I formatted it, there was nothing in there really worth keeping.

#21 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-17 11:10:49

My initial enthusiasm has waned on this reinstall. On the first reinstall, I couldn't get past the login screen for my user account. Root account was fine though.

On a second reinstall the installer crashed twice, then after I managed to get it to do its thing, the same problem. I can't get past the login screen and yes, the password is correct.

Dropping into a console, and after logging in, the issue seems to be:

No directory, logging in with HOME=/

So I can log in fine, but I can't start x. And when I log in as my user, it logs me straight into /. /home does exist and is mounted on the correct partition, but there is nothing inside it.

EDIT: I had to use adduser lysander as root in a console. Now I can log in and get to desktop. The only thing is I'm now told that I'm not a member of netdev. I need to work out how to specify all groups. I'm halfway there but I feel I shouldn't have to do this. Still, I didn't opt in to any sudo entries on installation since I prefer to do things via su -

EDIT2: added myself to audio, video, plugdev and netdev. There may be more I've missed out. A reboot was required after. I can now access the internet, at least. What a mess. Still, the installer did say that putting /home on a separate partition was an experimental feature.

#22 Re: Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-16 23:47:21

golinux wrote:

Great to see you here Lysander!  You didn't give us much info to go on.  Which iso did you use and for what release - jessie or ascii?  Are you using a WM or DE?  A search brings up quite a few threads about lid suspension but you might start with  this thread.

Wow, I should really know better. Thanks for the welcome, by the way. It's the live .iso of ASCII with Xfce. I had a look at that topic but it doesn't look very promising. It's no big issue for me as I said, manual suspending is absolutely fine since it takes about a second longer to set up. This is a good OS, nice work on it. Also thank God you don't have the ridiculous names that Debian does. Beowulf is a very cool name for 3.0.

PedroReina wrote:
Lysander wrote:
/dev/mmcblk0p1   23G  4.3G   18G  20% /

Would it be reasonable to shave down the root partition to 10GB therefore giving me a much-appreciated larger /home partition?

Of course. In my experience I've never go to more than 10 GB. And 4.3 is very similar to my standard install of a full desktop.

Yes, OK, so that's going to be one of my many jobs tomorrow, to repartition this SD and give 10GB to /. I really can't imagine it needing more than that at this rate. Funny how an OS can run so fast off one of those things these days. Really indiscernable from an internal drive as far as my experience in the last 24 hours goes.

PedroReina wrote:
Lysander wrote:

felt rather experimental.

No, it is not experimental. It is old code by now. It get new options, but I've been using it (with Debian and Devuan) more than 10 years. 15? No glitchs. Some times hardware has errors and they get up to the installer.

Well, seeing as this is the ASCII live .iso I think this is refracta. I'm quite familiar with the Debian installer, which is superior in my opinion. I think you thought I was talking about the Debian one, which I quite like.

#23 Devuan » Possible long-term install of Devuan and initial post-install thoughts » 2019-03-16 20:50:22

Lysander
Replies: 26

Hi, all. I am not talking about installing Devuan on all machines - just on this particular one that I'm working on at the moment. All my machines run Slackware apart from my converted Chromebook which can only acceptably run Xubuntu. And then there's this machine I'm working on now, it's a Dell Ultrabook which currently has no hard drive but an SDXC card instead.

I've been running this Devuan install for a few hours now and I'm quite impressed. It's more stable and things are easier to install than I thought they would be. This Ultrabook is very fast and sturdy, it's a very well-built machine, it's great to touch-type on and as well as being light it would be excellent to take around for academic work. The reason I am thinking of going with Devuan for a long-term install is that so far pretty much everything has 'just werked' and things have been easier to set up than anticipated. Also, when I'm in the middle of academic work I don't really want to be compiling stuff from source or hunting down dependencies. That IS fun, but I don't want it to get in the way.

So far things are going well, but suspend by closing the lid doesn't really work. That's no issue for me though. I seem to have overestimated the size of the root partition though. My 64GB SD card, which Devuan is installed on and is lightning-quick via, so far looks like this:

lysander@lysultra-ii:~$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev            1.8G     0  1.8G   0% /dev
tmpfs           363M  824K  363M   1% /run
/dev/mmcblk0p1   23G  4.3G   18G  20% /
tmpfs           5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs           1.7G  111M  1.6G   7% /run/shm
/dev/mmcblk0p3   31G  5.8G   24G  20% /home
tmpfs           1.8G     0  1.8G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs           363M   12K  363M   1% /run/user/1000

I have nearly everything I want installed and I am staggered that / is not even 5GB full. That is a huge waste of space with 18GB so far unused. Would it be reasonable to shave down the root partition to 10GB therefore giving me a much-appreciated larger /home partition?

One criticism so far - the installer feels a bit clunky. I worked through it fine but it did give me a couple of errors and felt rather experimental. However, everything feels OK so far, but I'm interested in how I should go forward with partitioning this thing in the future. I'm not someone who uses a lot of space since my desktop drive is only an 80GB SSD, so I'm used to being quite frugal with space. I may soon, if all goes well, go for a fresh install after a re-partition.

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