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#1 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Radeon HD 5770 - free driver does not detect refresh rates above 60Hz » 2026-07-18 10:43:43

proof?

Right in front of you: That card, with it's official drivers, is HDMI 1.3 compliant. It doesn't support 1080p at more at more than 60Hz according to it's spec sheet, or more than 75Hz without hacks, as you have found.
If 1080p@120 was required by HDMI 1.3 and the card couldn't do it, ATI couldn't put the HDMI 1.3 logo on the box.

The official HDMI specification documents are a pain to get, but one can snarf one here. HDMI is a spec written by cartels.
Here is a lazy table with *some* of the common specs in a more digestible format.
The HDMI 1.3 spec does not actually define resolutions itself, rather referencing CEA-861-D and VESA (2000). Most of the relevant documents can be found here.

Note there is no "maximum refresh rate" as such, but there is a maximum signal bandwidth in MHz - this is what your hack removes. There's no real hard limit on this frequency, but anything over the spec is effectively "overclocking", which is why the driver doesn't allow it unless you "patch" it.
The card can probably go higher, a good quality cable probably can as well if it's short... But there were no standard VESA or CEC modes and no capable monitors for (e.g.) 1080p@120Hz in 2006, so it's not a required capability to hit certification and ATI didn't check it was within their clock limits.

A more relevant question is probably "why". Unless this is just a "because I want to" exercise, there's not much point - nothing that will run on that card at such high framerates will actually benefit from them.

#2 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] WARNING at dmesg? » 2026-07-17 15:33:03

So, what this a strange "warning"?

It's a kernel warning (correcting my earlier comment: similar to, but lower severity than a true "oops") from the DRM translation table manager.
xfwm4 was terminated (by signal, but we don't know from where, could be e.g an xserver crash or a manual 'kill'), the kernel tried to release shared graphics memory buffers, then it hit an invalid opcode - likely because those buffers were in an inconsistent state.
The operation was aborted safely, thus it's a warning rather than an error.
If you want more detail, check the rest of your logs or go ask someone intimately familiar with ttm_bo.c.

That message still has nothing to do with the arch forum thread or the git issue you linked, or refresh rates for that matter... Unless of course it was your screwing about with modelines and unsupported refresh rates that caused the problem in the first place, which given your other thread is entirely possible.

#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Radeon HD 5770 - free driver does not detect refresh rates above 60Hz » 2026-07-17 15:28:36

I take it from my previous Nvidia gf9800 card

Which almost certainly has different pixel-clock and timing limits. Most 9800s don't even have an HDMI port.

I used CRU utility for calculation.

So, you're using a utility for writing mode entries to the registry on Window Vista... to generate modelines for X11. And you're actually wondering why that doesn't work? The mind boggles.

And why all modes present and works under Windows 11 with old Radeon driver after i am apply this patch?
https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thre … ck-Patcher

Because it's a hack. The HDMI 1.3 spec does not define the modes you are trying to use, so the GPU firmware and drivers do not define them or support the clocks needed for them either.
The open-source radeon driver aims to reproduce the functionality of the OEM AMD driver, not an unofficial third-party "patcher". ATI/AMD put those limits there on purpose, honouring them isn't a bug.

Here my graphics info

GLX has nothing to do with pixel clocks or mode timings.

So, its seems free radeon driver bug?

It seems that if you want to apply a similar hack to the radeon driver, it's open-source and you're free to do so. Not implementing hacks to support things the hardware was never designed to do is not a bug.
By all means report it, but don't expect anyone to get real excited about "fixing" it with any kind of urgency.

#4 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Radeon HD 5770 - free driver does not detect refresh rates above 60Hz » 2026-07-17 10:11:09

kapqa wrote:

since it supporting 2560x1600 at 60hz it could or should very well support 1920x1200x100hz

Over displayport or dual-link DVI, yes. Over HDMI (which OP appears to be using), not a chance. You'll likely find somewhere in the fine print that that "max" resolution is supported over DL-DVI only, and HDMI-out is specced for 1080@60.
HDMI was always about AV / home theatre, and it prioritises multichannel audio and long cable runs over raw video bandwidth. TVs didn't generally do 4k or high refresh rates in 2009 anyway, so nobody cared.

The limitation is the physical signal transport, no random modelines or screwing about with drivers will change it. Expecting to drive a modern "gaming" monitor to its full capabilities with a GPU from 2009 and a transport of the same vintage is an exercise in futility.

If one could find a modern monitor that still has (good) DVI support this janky quest might get a bit further, but good luck with that too - DVI is also thoroughly obsolete.
As for what that card can do over displayport... get a cable and find out. Should be as good as DVI, but firmware limitations may apply. DP was still kinda new at the time and all that.

#5 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Radeon HD 5770 - free driver does not detect refresh rates above 60Hz » 2026-07-17 08:58:55

how set refresh above 75Hz?

>>>"75" 174.57 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1119 + -

>>>"120" 285.55 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1144 + -

>>>"120" 264.00 1920 1944 1976 2000 1080 1083 1088 1100 + +

>>>"120" 274.56 1920 1928 1960 2000 1080 1130 1138 1144 + -

>>>"100" 220.00 1920 1944 1976 2000 1080 1083 1088 1100 + +

>>>"100" 235.67 1920 1968 200 2080 1080 1083 1088 1133 + -

Probably by specifying modelines that aren't trash. Get rid of those and use xcvt (e.g. cvt -r 1920 1080 120) or a decent online calculator.
Are you copy-pasting random forum threads from 2012 or what?

Even with suitable modelines, a Radeon HD5770 has HDMI 1.3 and displayport 1.1. It won't have enough bandwidth to do 1080p at more than 75Hz over HDMI, and it probably won't over DP either unless you disable audio and screw around with module parameters.
Your monitor might be able to do 144Hz FHD, but it wasn't a thing when that GPU was made.
'read-edid' is almost as ancient, and it won't work as intended with a modern monitor either.

Aside, ahem:

free driver does not detect refresh rates above 60Hz

...

/Downloads/amd-catalyst-15.9-linux-installer-15.201.1151-x86.x86_64

That is not the free driver, it's an ancient (~2015) proprietary installer from outside the repositories (just like Don'tBreakDebian cautions you about), and I'm fairly sure it doesn't even support the HD5770 or load on a modern kernel. How and why is it involved?

#6 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] WARNING at dmesg? » 2026-07-17 08:09:58

its not related to this free radeon driver bug?

Why would it be? That link is a bug report filed against xorg-server, talking about spurious modelines with the modesetting driver. It has nothing to do with radeon, free or otherwise, and it makes no mention of xfwm crashing or a kernel oops releasing DRM translation tables.

I assume this is an AMD card of some kind, as both radeon and amdgpu are loaded. Which drivers (kernel module and xorg/DDX) are you actually using?

My bet is on a driver bug, especially if you are using amdgpu with ancient hardware (feat. motherboard from 2007).
OTOH, if your GPU is GCN 1.0 or newer and you're using radeon, kernel 6.12.x should have support for those in amdgpu as well, it just didn't become the default until 6.19. Can't hurt to try either way.

Ed. Re. your other thread, I assume this is about the HD5770. Forget about the above, that card is old enough to have a retroweb page and is only supported by the 'radeon' driver.

#7 Re: Installation » Kde profiles with TLP » 2026-07-17 07:54:49

That's dbus activation failing to start whatever is providing UPower.PowerProfiles (likely because the shipped definitions expect systemd and the "Exec" entry is /bin/false, see /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.UPower.PowerProfiles.service), which implies that it isn't already running, or if it is, it didn't register on the system bus.

Note sysvinit has no service supervision, so it'll say tlp-pd is "started" even if it later exited or crashed. Check that the process is actually alive.
The manual suggests tlp-pd takes a '--debug' flag, that's probably worth a look too.

#8 Re: Installation » Kde profiles with TLP » 2026-07-11 14:34:55

That might be because tlp isn't advertising profiles that match what ppd would offer, or it might be a polkit thing... but those are just guesses. The message has changed at any rate, so kde/powerdevil sees a ppd implementation now, it just doesn't like it.

The only time I've messed with this nonsense is replacing ppd with tuned-ppd on gentoo/openrc... None of which is particularly relevant here.
You could perhaps have a look what tlp-ppd is providing on dbus (e.g. with qdbusviewer) and compare it to ppd.

Ed. What says (as root)

dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower.PowerProfiles /org/freedesktop/UPower/PowerProfiles org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:"org.freedesktop.UPower.PowerProfiles"

?

(aside, the above BS syntax also illustrates why and how very much I hate dbus)

#9 Re: Installation » Kde profiles with TLP » 2026-07-11 12:42:31

It appears Devuan does not ship a sysvinit script with tlp-pd (as usual, it's just the Debian package and no attempt was made to ensure it works properly without systemd), so somebody will need to write one.
I don't have any Devuan installs on laptops or any interest in tlp, so that someone isn't me. It should be trivial though, find an init script template and have it start /usr/sbin/tlp-pd after dbus and tlp.
...or just ask your artificial-stupid of choice to convert /usr/lib/systemd/system/tlp-pd.service, this is a pretty good example of something they should be able to do without screwing up.

Ed. Upstream just added an init script.
Grab https://github.com/linrunner/TLP/blob/main/tlp-pd.init, stick it in /etc/init.d as tlp-pd, make it executable, and enable it with update-rc.d.
Then either reboot or start the service manually then logout/login to kde.

Should work, YMMV, etc. Again, I have no desktop Devuan installs. vOv.

#10 Re: Installation » Kde profiles with TLP » 2026-07-11 12:04:52

Try tlp-pd from backports, apparently it provides the same dbus namespace as ppd, which is what kde is after to enable that applet.

#11 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Why hasn't sysvinit been abandoned yet? » 2026-07-05 08:02:53

Dutch_Master wrote:

windowsifies the Linux init system by locking the kernel to itself: the kernel no longer communicates with various tools, it just communicates with systemd, period.

That's not even remotely how any of this works. roll
Init, whatever it may be, is a userspace program and interacts with kernel facilities the same way any other userspace program does (i.e. mostly via libc, or using public kernel ABIs).
No init links directly against the kernel or "locks" anything, and the claim that systemd somehow prevents the kernel "communicating" with "various tools" is completely ridiculous.

Can we really not discuss init systems in here without resorting to irrelevant, misinformed systemd FUD? Systemd wasn't even mentioned in the OP, the question is why we aren't exploring a switch to one of the other options.

#12 Re: News & Announcements » xorg-server 21.1.9 - Security fix release » 2026-07-05 02:21:09

zapper wrote:

Bullies tend to force stuff down peoples' throats.

People who have no idea what they're talking about tend to fall back on broad generalisations and stupid analogies.

zapper wrote:

something depends on a library connected to the above yet would work otherwise if the devs weren't so stupid and made it a forced dependency

Examples or it didn't happen... Examples which are real hard dependencies and not just compile-time options Debian decided to enable.

zapper wrote:

buggy supposedly
...
its mega buggy

Again, concrete examples or GTFO.

zapper wrote:

If you don't think its being pushed hard, try to remove wayland and its libraries completely from devuan and see how that goes.

Nothing to do with wayland, everything to do with Debian packaging decisions.
Also, wayland is just a protocol and the presence of libwayland-* on a system does not imply anything is actually using it.

stopCocaine wrote:

I have been using wayland for over a year

WEBDEVDESTROYER2000 wrote:

Good thing I switched to XLibre

FWIW, I have both xlibre and wayland sessions available at the display manager... Both have bugs, both are improving. I use whatever works best for what I'm doing, and report bugs when they appear.
Religious wars are stupid.

#13 Re: Installation » Iso to install latest Devuan on UEFI » 2026-07-05 02:01:49

terryn wrote:

made lightDM the primary bootloader.

LightDM is not a bootloader, it's a Display Manager.

terryn wrote:

followed by a line containing a line space (_).  That is followed by a blank screen

To eliminate GPU drivers and X11, I'd suggest testing boot to a TTY (e.g. "recovery mode" or whatever it's called, or specifying a non-graphical runlevel on the kernel command line), and/or disabling KMS by passing 'nomodeset' on the command line.

Once you have a working TTY login, you have an environment to capture logs and troubleshoot any issues with the GUI.

#14 Re: Off-topic » [SOLVED] Why hasn't sysvinit been abandoned yet? » 2026-07-05 01:47:51

WEBDEVDESTROYER2000 wrote:

Rude.

Yeah, very professional and welcoming admins we have here. roll
Bear in mind golinux has essentially no idea what they're talking about on a technical level, so being an obnoxious twat is the default response to anything that threatens to stray away from ideological dogma and into practical discussion.

Ron wrote:

"Age" doesn't matter two hoots.

Indeed... But that does cut both ways.
Sysv isn't "bad" because it's old, but simply being old doesn't make it good (or even necessarily "refined") either.
The more relevant question is whether or not it is suitable for current requirements. Religious wars aside, if the plethora of alternatives and repeated attempts to replace it are anything to go by, that's very much up for debate.

Ron wrote:

no more vulnerable to threats than systemd.

What does systemd have to do with anything? OP didn't even mention that particular option.

Ron wrote:

by nature it's more secure

Almost entirely because it does less. A more fair comparison (assuming more features are actually wanted, but that's a separate argument) would be sysvinit vs. $other_init stripped down to comparable functionality, or $other_init vs. sysvinit + all the daemons needed to achieve feature parity.

EDX-0 wrote:

it does so little and so well

Sure... But there's also a valid argument in that it does too little. Take the unholy mess of shell scripts Debian ships and the various bolt-on service ordering/dependency hacks (e.g. insserv) for example... That's where all the bugs and borkage are, not in sysv itself.

#15 Re: Off-topic » Proposing a a11y and aging friendly user init. » 2026-06-27 17:34:01

My computer ever says some **** like that to me, i'm gonna take it out back and shoot it.

If my computer says *anything* to me, or tries in any way to be "helpful", "conversational", or otherwise waste my time unless explicitly asked to do so, I'll rip out its operating system on the spot.

Hi User. Seems you need help!

*Click*
*BANG*

On OP's other similar suggestions... The moment an "installer" starts to "probe the user" (noisily or otherwise, but especially if it's noisily) is the moment I throw that disk in the trash.
A computer is a tool, it should do exactly what the user tells it to do and nothing more. No "volunteering", no "helpful" interjections with unsolicited advice, suggestions, or options.

What is proposed here is essentially Clippy, but infinitely more annoying and integrated into the whole system. Just. No.

#16 Re: Installation » Iso to install latest Devuan on UEFI » 2026-06-26 01:54:55

SSID is simply the "name" of the network you want to connect to. The installer has no "scan" facility, so the simplest answer is probably to check with some device that does.
It'll be either whatever you or the network admin set it to, or manufacturer default, usually found on a sticker on the AP.

You will of course also need the password or key.

#17 Re: Installation » Iso to install latest Devuan on UEFI » 2026-06-23 05:04:40

The only isos I have found are for the amd architecture.

arch: x86_64

amd64 is for any x86_64, Intel or AMD. The port is named that because AMD invented 64-bit x86 while intel was still floundering about with Itanic.

#18 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » (Fixed) Removable CDROM / DVD / Blue-Ray Devices do not Automount » 2026-06-01 01:15:08

As long as Thunar and it's dependencies are setup correctly life is simple & it just works.

stay away from bloated products like gvfs

This is an oxymoron. GVFS is the dependency of thunar that makes this "just work". The "bloat" you want to stay away from is the very thing that makes "life is simple" possible.

"bloat" is code that does not provide sufficient functionality to justify its size, complexity, or performance impact. Clearly you value GUI automounting from your file manager and are willing to install GVFS to provide it. Therefore, GVFS is not bloat.

#19 Re: Off-topic » low end gaming on linux » 2026-06-01 01:05:53

a core2duo and 4gigs of ram

Is literally retrocomputing at this point (for the love of doG, at least put a C2Q in it), and you'd be better off dual-booting a stripped-down Windows XP. With those specs, WINE is "bloat".

fanboy

Nothing of the sort, simply saying it the way it is. If your graphics drivers advertise that they can do vulkan (which mesa can, on the CPU), then things will naturally try to use it.
None of this is steam at fault, it's simply a consequence of trying to run modern software on ancient hardware. Crying "bloat" any time you run into hardware limitations doesn't change reality.

#20 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Delete single mails from Evolution trash » 2026-05-31 13:38:12

Uhhm, I'm not the only one who finds the idea of using the trash bin as a backup strategy completely batshit insane, am I?

Two words: Verified backups.
Make them. Test them. Then empty the trash bin and restore anything important from backup, to a sensible archive folder.

#21 Re: Off-topic » low end gaming on linux » 2026-05-31 13:16:26

Steam uses wine to run windows games. The differences between "vanilla" wine and steam's "proton" fork are minimal, and usually confined to the latter being optimised and/or patched for gaming as opposed to general application compatibility.

steam defaults to vulkan so if youre card cant do vulkan it will run the game with software vulkan

This has nothing whatsoever to do with steam. Proton (and most other "gaming" focused wine builds and frontends for that matter) defaults to enabling DXVK (and VKD3D for DX12) , because that is by far the best performing DirectX API translation layer available.
DXVK will use whatever vulkan renderer the host graphics drivers advertise, and on antique GPUs that could well be the lavapipe CPU implementation... Provided by mesa.

If your GPU doesn't support vulkan, you'd be better served by reading the documentation and setting the appropriate environment variables, rather than wasting perfectly good oxygen bitching about steam and "bloat".

#22 Re: Off-topic » word is that flatpak 2.0 WILL depend on systemd » 2026-05-24 09:42:50

Does anyone care? Flatpak is nothing but a cunning device for turning [user laziness] into [profit for storage device manufacturers].
The only "universal package format" worth a dime right now is AppImage, and even that is of thoroughly dubious benefit when build-from-source is (and ever will-be) a thing.

#23 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Home Server access issues » 2026-05-23 15:44:41

Betcha a cookie this is yet another case of the conspicuously still not backported to stable network-manager packaging SNAFU.

#24 Re: Installation » fstab not mounting at startup » 2026-05-23 15:42:39

Can you please explain?

There is a file missing from the excalibur network-manager package. As I said to Andre there:

You might try grabbing that missing file (/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01-ifupdown) from the Daedalus network-manager package.

That's probably the easiest solution while we wait (and wait, and wait some more) for this to be fixed in the stable repo and install images.

#25 Re: Installation » fstab not mounting at startup » 2026-05-23 14:45:49

Dutch_Master wrote:

you need to not look up & copy/paste from tutorials where a systemd distro is used

The only systemd-related artifact here is x-systemd.automount, and while it obviously won't work, it won't hurt anything either as none of the scripts involved look at it.
Maybe try actually addressing the problem, rather than just looking for excuses to bitch about systemd?

unixbot443 wrote:

Upon desktop login, the shared folders are not mounted.  I run a `mount -av`, and they mount just fine.

How is your networking configured? if you're using networkmanager, see this thread.
If you're using ifupdown, we'll need /var/log/boot (or wherever you have your init logs going to), and you should probably have a look for anything related in /var/log/syslog (or /var/log/messages, or wherever you have general daemon logging going) and the kernel ring-buffer (i.e. dmesg).

Also, repeating for more visibility because your fstab listing is almost unreadable:
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