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#1 Re: Installation » Machine specific sound issue » Today 05:02:38

Dell 5820

Doesn't really tell anyone anything... Unless you expect them to go digging through dell's specifications. What sound chipset and codec does it have? Onboard or expansion card? Which driver is in use?

with pulse audio the sound was choppy, I installed pipewire, and ... the sound was choppy.

Try it with neither - i.e. aplay to bare ALSA with no sound server running (ideally a direct hw:<whatever> PCM). That'll rule out most software shenanigans.

I have an ancient Sound Blaster Pro (90's era) I could install?

SBPro was 16bit ISA, and I highly doubt you have a compatible expansion slot.

Would it even effect the bluetooth operation?

The audio hardware in the PC generally isn't involved at all with bluetooth devices, it's the endpoint that does all the stream decoding and D/A conversion. So no, even if bluetooth existed when the SBPro was released, which it didn't.

#2 Re: Installation » Ceres upgrade to kernel 7.0.3 error NVIDIA driver » 2026-05-06 12:28:42

can`t build nvidia uvm module for kernel 7.0.3

And? You're running unstable with a bleeding-edge kernel and ancient out-of tree proprietary drivers. Did you expect that not to break?

Either patch the nvidia nonsense yourself or wait for Debian to do so. Nvidia probably never will, they're regularly behind on kernel kernel changes with their current driver, let alone one released over six years ago.

#3 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » GIMP won't start, error message » 2026-04-27 04:23:34

Error: eval: unbound variable: (/usr/share/gimp/3.0/scripts/text-circle.scm : 17)  symbol-bound?

Likely has nothing to do with GIMP not starting, it's an error in a "legacy" script from gimp-data-extras. That package is kinda where unmaintained scripts and plugins go to die, so unless you need that specific script it should be safe to ignore.

Native wayland support in GIMP is pretty new, and I have no idea how well (or at all) it works on Debian/Devuan. I can fairly confidently say it's not a problem with GIMP itself (i.e. works fine on wayland/Gentoo and has since 3.0), but that's not to say the Debian build isn't broken somehow.

jue-gen wrote:

this is unfortunately not a satisfactory solution.

Why? GIMP starts fine with XWayland, does it not?

Altoid wrote:
probonopd @gist.github wrote: wrote:

(insert usual bullshit, most of it horribly out of date)

As usual, bashing $favourite_punching_bag and reposting the same old page for the 1000th time without even attempting to address the problem at hand does nothing to solve the problem at hand.
Surprised? Not.

jue-gen wrote:

by default every application can access input (keylogger risk)

If you have malware running then it already has access to everything in your home directory, including browser storage and login cookies. Keyloggers are the least of your problems. The wayland cultists love to wave this one around since "keylogger" is nice and scary, but really the solution is to simply not run malware, same as it has always been.
Wayland "application isolation" is nice-to-have, but it's not a panacea and it won't save you from any attack currently in the wild.

jue-gen wrote:

less code runs with root privileges

Something needs direct access to the graphics and I/O hardware, whether that's the xserver or your compositor (and which of those is "less code") is a matter of taste.
Running the whole xserver as root hasn't been a thing in most distros for a while now (at least not those that use a session-broker/seat-manager), these days it gets access to only the devices it needs - just like a wayland compositor does.

#4 Re: Installation » Weird usb partitioning issues » 2026-04-27 02:51:02

The only "flaw" here is the usual confusion regarding partitions, filesystems, and the x86 boot process.
isohybrid is a hack, and writing an iso image to a USB device does not create a normal partition table - that's the whole point, to be bootable from optical media it needs to look exactly like a CD to the BIOS routines.
CDs don't have partitions or an MBR, the raw iso9660 filesystem starts at sector 17 and the space before that is an "unused" system area to be used by [insert system-specific boot hackery here] - often syslinux and/or a partition table defining an ESP for UEFI in a bootable GNU/Linux image.
Thus what you usually end up with is a disk where the partition table does not reflect reality, intentionally, the first few reserved sectors contain an el-torito CD boosector, an MBR, a GPT, syslinux, or some combination of those, and the whole mess appears to be a simple iso filesystem to anything that doesn't look too hard.

All this will confuse traditional partitioning tools, especially if the device was previously partitioned and whatever you used to write the image didn't remove the existing partition table (and backup), RAID headers, or whatever else was on there.
It's not a "flaw" in parted, iso9660 on anything but optical media was just never supposed to be a thing and the spec for what should be at the start of the disk is intentionally vague.

Ed. Also, this.

Having a bootable iso image and other filesystems on one device simultaneously is even more of a hack, and generally requires installing a (second) bootloader that can chainload an iso9660 [insert system-specific hackery here] boot record or handle loop-mounting the filesystem and locating the kernel image itself... This is why grub-imageboot and ventoy exist, and it's also why they are so complicated and unreliable.

On the OP: Make sure the device is properly clean, first with a (fast) tool like wipefs, and if that doesn't do it, nuke the entire device with a (slow) cp or dd from /dev/zero. Check the latter can write the entire expected size of the device - if it can't then what you have is likely a hardware problem.
As for "takes ~2s", you're probably just seeing write-cache. Try oflag=direct to bypass kernel caches (see dd manpage).

#5 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-06 07:04:41

Adjust the mirrors, check the tire pressures, even RTFM on the glossy new screen in the center?

But not "crawl into the footwell and connect the wiring for the radio", which is a far more appropriate analogy for what new users are expected to do to get pipewire working properly.

Every other distro (systemd or otherwise) which ships pipewire also ships an OOB configuration where it just works. No "tinkering", no reading manuals, no scouring forums or writing shell scripts.
Tinkering is fine if you want to customise your install or do something unusual. Pipewire is not unusual. It hasn't been unusual for several years at this point, and literally every other distro has accepted that it's not going away and solutions need to be found to integrate it.
Devuan has, what, grudgingly added a paragraph to the release notes instructing users to go figure it out? Rejected every proposed solution because it's not in upstream Debian? Chased away anybody who would be willing to work on this?

The irony is palpable. Whinging about not enough developers, then running off anyone who looks like they might contribute. Bitching about upstreams not listening to their users, then refusing to include functionality users are asking for. Blaming Debian for any and all bugs and behaving like they're part of some big evil conspiracy, then claiming that "Devuan is just Debian" and stonewalling any remotely proactive discussion with "we'll wait and see what Debian does" or "get package into Debian first".

#6 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 20:56:21

That's okay golinux, go back to sleep. You weren't doing anything useful around here anyway.

#7 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 20:39:35

golinux wrote:

Devuan is Debian without systemd.

Devuan is little more than a shallow Debian "respin" at this point. 99% of packages are pulled straight from Debian, even when that means they're broken or grossly misconfigured by default in a systemd-free environment. Nobody, apparently, cares at all.
Obvious low-hanging-fruit like shipping a simple shell script or running sed against a configuration file go unpicked, and users are left to figure these things out for themselves. Trivial 5-minute bugs go completely unanswered for years on end.
Even the live image, that one configuration among the multitude that should be tested and polished as the flagship and first-impression... is almost always broken on release day.

Perhaps it's time to stop calling this a "Distribution" altogether? Every other systemd-free distro appears to be making progress with systemd alternatives and ensuring packages work and OOTB configurations are functional, Devuan just reheats whatever Debian serves and buries it's proverbial head in the sand.

golinux wrote:

Perhaps you would like to provide and maintain a better solution for Devuan?

Why? The distro is going nowhere and the discussion channels are administered by arseholes who won't even walk their own passive-aggressive talk. What would be the point?

If you're going to ask a brand-new user, one who came here asking for technical help, to "provide and maintain" a solution, maybe start by showing your solution as inspiration? An example of all the packages you maintain perhaps? No?

franmm wrote:

I suppose that thing didn't happen before Debian defaulted to systemd

You suppose correctly.

franmm wrote:

Devuan is not just "Debian without systemd. Full stop."

It's Debian without systemd, with a perpetual list of bugs caused by removing systemd and a pathologically passive attitude to fixing any of them.

franmm wrote:

a bit condescending

... Is the understatement of the decade when it comes to our dear forum administrator here.

#8 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 16:48:32

Does KDE even need a sound server?

Not really, though plasma-pa is better integrated than kmix and IIRC the kde-standard metapackage pulls plasma-pa or kmix, with preference to the former.
ALSA not working is likely one of the usual suspects (e.g. muted master PCM or wrong default card), but OP was futzing with pipewire and close to a reasonable solution, so that's what I rolled with. (also an excuse to taunt gotard OFC, no reason to miss one of those)

#9 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 15:04:21

I'm unable to find any installation of Devuan Excalibur with KDE Plasma DE on which sound works out of the box.

That's because it (still! roll) doesn't.

See the release notes and the relevant thread argument.

#!/bin/bash
wireplumber &
pipewire &
pipewire-pulse &

May or may not work, subject to the phase of the moon (service startup is order dependent and 'foo &' doesn't wait). See better solutions further down the aforementioned argument.

where does it comes from

Devuan's stubborn refusal to implement any of the multiple user-service solutions already suggested, or package even a token-effort shell script.

#10 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] gparted will not start » 2026-04-05 14:32:20

# gparted
(gpartedbin:7345): Gtk-WARNING **: 09:37:51.663: cannot open display: 
# 

...

$ env | grep -i display
DISPLAY=:0.0
$

You ran the first as root and the second as a user, so environment is obviously going to be different. If you want to know why you got "cannot open display:", test under the same conditions you got "cannot open display:".

The command should be whatever XFCE was set to run by default on installation.

Almost certainly an xdg .desktop file dropped by the gparted package (dpkg -L gparted) and looking in it will tell you which command is being called. This is GNU/Linux, there is no "standard" anything and not everyone runs XFCE.

Ed. Anyhow, this is all irrelevant. Your polkit install doesn't work:

$ pkexec --disable-internal-agent '/usr/sbin/gparted'
Error executing command as another user: No authentication agent found.
$ 

Do you have an appropriate (GUI) agent installed (e.g. xfce-polkit)?

Package: polkit-1-auth-agent
State: not a real package
Provided by: cinnamon (6.4.10-2), gnome-flashback (3.56.0-1), gnome-shell (48.7-0+deb13u2), lxpolkit (0.5.6-2), lxqt-policykit (2.1.0-1), mate-polkit (1.26.1-4+b1), phosh
             (0.46.0-3), polkit-kde-agent-1 (4:6.3.6-1), ukui-polkit (1.2.2.2-1.1+b1), xfce-polkit (0.3+v20220621-3~excalibur1)

Also see fsmithred's comment WRT pinentry above.

Maybe (?) all this is happening due to my purging / uninstalling PCManFM and installing Xfe?

The pcmanfm package recommends lxpolkit or polkit-1-auth-agent, xfe does not. If nothing else you have installed depends on polkit-1-auth-agent, it's possible you (auto)removed it.

#11 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] gparted will not start » 2026-04-05 14:06:25

'gparted' appears (at least on Gentoo, I have no GUI Devuan installs) to be a shell script which ends up calling pkexec --disable-internal-agent '/usr/bin/gparted' if pkexec is available.
See if that command works in a terminal emulator as your normal (non root) user, and what output it produces.

#12 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] gparted will not start » 2026-04-05 13:51:05

rolfie wrote:

"cannot open display" indicates at some permission issues.

No, it indicates that GTK cannot open the X display <null> (note the trailing ":[nothing]" in "cannot open display:"), likely because the DISPLAY variable is not set in root's environment.

Altoid wrote:

If I try to start it as root from the cmd line, I get this:

Which "cmd line"? A real TTY? an xterm? whatever terminal emulator from whatever DE you're using?
GUI terminal emulators usually set DISPLAY, but su may or may not strip environment for security - I don't recall how it's configured in Debian these days. Check output  of 'env'.
SSH logins and TTYs do not, so one usually needs to correctly set DISPLAY and authorise the launching user to connect to the server (with e.g. xhost), see the X manual.

Regarding gparted not starting from the menu, I don't use gparted myself but the usual solution for GUI applications that need to run as root but don't handle privilege escalation themselves is to use some kind of launcher - pkexec (with org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui set, see 'man pkexec'), gksu, kdesu etc.
Since OP didn't specify what command this "menu" is launching (or even what "menu" they're talking about, in which DE/WM), that's where my guessing ends on this one.

#13 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Hardisk space full , but no files . » 2026-03-20 17:17:24

greenjeans wrote:

This is how golinux does it.

Only after people with more clues provided the solutions. Zero credit due golinux on that one.

TLDR: If you don't care about .xsession-errors, bind-mount it to /dev/null. If you want to keep it (but still don't like huge files), set up logrotate with compression - even gzip will achieve near-magical compression ratios on a log file containing mostly repetitive messages.
If you want the underlying bug fixed, report it to the upstream for whatever GUI junk is flooding stderr.

#14 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Removing/purging Network Manager » 2026-03-09 11:06:44

What are the inconveniences if I remove/purge Network Manager?

Uhh, needing to configure networking yourself? Fairly obvious, no?
Aside from that, likely a lack of GUI network configuration / tray widgets / whatever... Unless you install something else that provides those, of which there are several. None of them have the extensive feature set creep networkmanager does though.

NM is useful for systems that use a variety of transient networks, e.g. wifi, cell modem, bridges, tunnels, vpns etc. where the user wants a unified GUI that can configure and switch between those on-the-fly. Essentially, It's designed for coffee-shop-warriors with laptops.

NM is downright aggravating if manual network configuration is common, or a single, fixed, reliable connection is required at boot. e.g. the system has NFS mounts or the user regularly does 'ip whatever' or 'ifconfig whatever' to connect with static addresses or manual routing.

NM is completely pointless for servers or workstations that have fixed wired networking or rarely change connections.

Vague question -> vague answers.

#15 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] ext4 write slow on small 120gb sata SSD » 2026-03-07 03:40:51

kapqa wrote:

maybe bit "solved" too-early,
it seem the two SSD same/brand/ same denomination/size SA400S3 behave differently;

the earlier tested still show very slow performance with ext4 and "normal" speeds with ntfs.
the other SA400S3 show good write/speed with both ext4 AND ntfs -- on same computer, with same cables, on ssame sata sloet (sata3 speed capable).

so am wondering if the SSD is not somewat bit-defective or some other mystery involved.

The other elephant in the room is firmware behaviour.
Consumer SSDs have a minimum erase-block size and can suffer from free-space fragmentation issues. They usually don't have uniform write performance in general, relying on cache/host memory and a dedicated "fast" area to buffer writes until they can do a more efficient block allocation.

The upshot of all that is that SSDs do quite a lot of sneaky things in the background to appear faster than the flash memory actually is, they need regular "trimming" to release blocks and power-on-idle downtime so the firmware can do garbage collection, wear-leveling, and free-space defragmentation.
If any of that goes sideways (IME usually due to firmware bugs), performance will fall off a proverbial cliff.
Check both drives are running the same firmware revision (and update if any are available), check the wear-leveling counters in SMART, and try a full zero-fill wipe followed by a trim on the problematic drive.

onedevone wrote:

Its a magnitute faster on nand-flash

Benchmarks or GTFO.

onedevone wrote:

spinning drives are ancient history

How strange they're still being manufactured in volume, and the technology (e.g. HAMR) is still under active development. roll

onedevone wrote:

I was forced to use ext4

You were forced to think for yourself. Devuan can run any root filesystem supported by the kernel (as can most distros), the limitation is only in the installer. As for /home... That's utterly trivial to set up after install, with any filesystem you like.

#16 Re: Installation » Post installation annoyances » 2026-03-07 02:59:28

Isn't KDE going Wayland only?

Yes, with 6.8. That's still a ways off for Debian/Devuan, but one should be aware that X11 support has been in feature-freeze for some time and anything but critical bugs are very unlikely to be fixed.

#17 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Fail With DOT » 2026-03-07 02:45:11

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

what is PFS

man wget wrote:

       --secure-protocol=protocol
           Choose the secure protocol to be used.  Legal values are auto,
           SSLv2, SSLv3, TLSv1, TLSv1_1, TLSv1_2, TLSv1_3 and PFS.  If
           auto is used, the SSL library is given the liberty of choosing
           the appropriate protocol automatically, which is achieved by
           sending a TLSv1 greeting. This is the default.

           Specifying SSLv2, SSLv3, TLSv1, TLSv1_1, TLSv1_2 or TLSv1_3
           forces the use of the corresponding protocol.  This is useful
           when talking to old and buggy SSL server implementations that
           make it hard for the underlying SSL library to choose the
           correct protocol version.  Fortunately, such servers are quite
           rare.

           Specifying PFS enforces the use of the so-called Perfect
           Forward Security cipher suites. In short, PFS adds security by
           creating a one-time key for each SSL connection. It has a bit
           more CPU impact on client and server.  We use known to be
           secure ciphers (e.g. no MD4) and the TLS protocol. This mode
           also explicitly excludes non-PFS key exchange methods, such as
           RSA.

i.e. more paranoia BS, from someone with likely little idea what it actually does or what attacks it might defend against, since they apparently need "step by step" instructions to write a trivial init script.

Next will be out-of-repo "privacy" browsers, VPNs, and whatever go-fast shiny-new-shit is popular on Arch/Artix right now.

onedevone wrote:

Toxic answeres.

"Toxic" OP, complete with entitlement, shouting, and misguided assertions that your personal preference regarding DNS should be a distro-wide default.

onedevone wrote:

DOT is not something to be laughed at

I'm not laughing at DoT, I'm laughing at people who consider it not being enabled by default and integrated into some random GUI a "complete showstopper".
Devuan, like Debian, comes with a standard DNS configuration by default. If you want something else, it's on you to read the documentation and set it up.
Likewise init systems - sysv is the default and best supported. If you want something else, all the parts are available but you get to assemble them.

#18 Re: Other Issues » New Wifi Vulnerability » 2026-02-27 13:23:07

DNS spoofing is a very old attack, as are most of the others mentioned. There are undoubtedly more which were not, and calling a fix for one a "defence" is like plugging one hole in a colander and calling it "sealed".
What's new here is breaking client-isolation so those old attacks all work again. It's basically ARP spoofing, and that was a gold-mine in terms of what you could do once you had control of the stream. DNS fuckery is a problem, but it's really just the tip of the iceberg.

If you use "coffee shop" style public wifi (which I personally think is a terrible idea), use a VPN or tunnel (preferrably with a pinned host cert).
If you administer the same, use separate access points and segregate them from your main network.

Ed. Ahh, I see I have reached the perfect post count. big_smile

#19 Re: Other Issues » New Wifi Vulnerability » 2026-02-27 05:17:34

Or just use separate AP(s) for your untrusted/guest network, and put them on an isolated VLAN... Like sensible people have been doing for about as long as wifi has been a thing - because wifi has been subject to a variety of security issues since day one, and untrusted devices or networks cannot, by definition, be trusted.

I'm now wondering if Stubby actually works in Devuan 6 yet? Or is it still in 'development'? That's one possible useful defense.

Assuming you are talking about this stubby, now I'm wondering if you even understand the article you linked... What does a DNS stub-resolver have to do with anything, and how is it supposed to be a "defence" against a layer-2 port-spoofing attack?

#20 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Inability to install printer » 2026-02-27 00:35:04

There's so much wrong here I'm not even sure where to start.

1) epsonscan2-6.7.87.0-1.src.tar.gz is the source code, unless you feel like building the scanner tool from source yourself, you almost certainly want epsonscan2-bundle-6.7.87.0.x86_64.deb.tar.gz (from the "drivers" section of the download page) instead.

2) You can't just stuff a 'cd' command, a directory name, a file name, and a script with relative path into one line and expect it to work.
'cd' takes exactly one argument (the target directory), you provided three.

3) Adding more random stuff to a syntactically incorrect command-line won't make it more right.

4) Nor will changing the order of said random stuff.

* Get the right file.
* Unpack the archive

tar zxf epsonscan2-bundle-6.7.87.0.x86_64.deb.tar.gz

* Change into the directory created above (use tab-complete if you value your sanity)

cd epsonscan2-bundle-6.7.87.0.x86_64.deb/

* Run the installer script

./install.sh

#22 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Inability to install printer » 2026-02-22 09:13:15

Firefox fooling you

If you inspect the stream, you'll see that the webserver incorrectly sets "content-type: text/plain" in the response header. Firefox is believing what it's told, as it should.
This is a disturbingly common misconfiguration in javascript-infested eula-gated corporate "download portal"s, and the javascript nonsense they use to make mirroring painful and ensure you agreed to all the things and clicked all the boxes tends to interfere with client-side mime-sniffing that might otherwise work around it.
It's not a browser bug.

#23 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Is there a Devuan derivative targeting old hardware/laptops? » 2026-02-22 08:54:18

waiting to happen?

Breaking news: It happened some time ago, and the majority of distributions and desktop environments are using it.
Personally I don't think wayland is ready to replace X, but many seem to like it and that's a perfectly valid choice.

As for the OP: Sandybridge with 8GB of RAM will run pretty much any current distro acceptably well. The biggest problem will be, as always, the demands of a modern standards-compliant web browser.
If it only has 4GB installed, look into upgrading it. Most machines of that generation can take at least 8GB, usually up to 16. AI insanity notwithstanding, used DDR3 DIMMs are dirt cheap.

#24 Re: Devuan » Devuan without elogind » 2026-02-22 08:47:02

better to have a piece of systemd as a dependency then the whole damn thing

Or, ya know, maybe admit that systemd does actually have some good points, and take inspiration and/or code from the things it does well.

Elogind works, it solves real-world problems, and it arrived at a time when the only alternative (consolekit) was an unmaintained mess nobody wanted to rely on if there was any other choice.

Now, we have more options. Turnstile and seatd are things, consolekit2 is actively maintained again. The situation might warrant reevaluation, for a number of valid technical reasons... Which "it's part of systemd, ick, kill it" is decidedly not.

BSD and Illumos can use a desktop environment without elogind and this is tremendous.

BSD and other unixes had no choice, because removing all the linux-isms in [e]logind was arguably more work than fixing consolekit or implementing your own solution.

#25 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Inability to install printer » 2026-02-22 01:23:56

ARM binaries simply will not work on an AMD64 architecture, trying them is pointless.
The driver linked in post #5 is the correct architecture and already in the correct format (so no mucking around with xarchiver or alien required), just install with apt or dpkg, e.g.:

apt install ./epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.8.7-1_amd64.deb

Whether it works is another question, I don't have applicable hardware.

ideographic characters from another alphabet appear

Are you sure that's not just Epson's website setting x-content-type incorrectly, causing your browser to render the binary file as text rather than downloading it?
Try wget or curl on the URI you get, e.g.:

wget https://download-center.epson.com/f/module/e81c57ab-d783-435d-bd64-e74bac7c72b4/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.8.7-1_amd64.deb

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