That's an understatement, I say we dust off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Very rough still, got a lot of work to do yet on the UI and some function behavior, but it's working.

I thought this might be something you'd like Can I get you to test the beta when it's ready?

While I don't use KDE or Wayland (and have no desire to do so!), still I very much appreciate your efforts and experimentation, it's interesting and sheds some light on parts of the system I use or might use, so thank you!

There are millions of folks who have contributed to Linux, and in those millions are people from every part of the political spectrum, so yeah, some code might contain "hitler particles" or "commie particles" or whatever, lol.

If you don't like it and it keeps you up at night, then write your own code and STFU about it. Otherwise deal with it and move on and let people contribute who want to contribute. This external politics stuff is just shit, and it doesn't belong in Linux...it's not like we don't have our own internal struggles to deal with.

Some folks apparently just live to get their jimmies rustled, the arch mod seems to be one.

Version 3.3-0 uploaded! This adds the dual-sliders for balance control in the mixer. I'll start on the dual-sliders for the EQ version soon.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … /AlsaTune/

Also new versions of Fatstick, Vuu-do App Info, and Scrotshot. Did a lot of house-cleaning today on the older apps.

Yep. Plenty themes out there to make everybody happy. I have old eyes myself, and my theme is the only one that doesn't strain them, so it makes me happy.

But this thread really isn't about theming, it's about sound and music, be great if we could get back to that. I was trying to talk about making a special version of AT to accommodate a fellow user with some hearing issues before I got accused of not considering folks with disabilities.

Great points all, thanks! Mulling over the surround sound thing, but problem is I don't have a machine here with that capability to do any testing, and functionally i'm unclear about a couple of points, i've been assuming that surround capabilities are typically obtained by one of the nice external soundcards on the market (external processing from a stereo input?), are there some laptops or desktops with internal cards that  have it? If so then the surround channels should be picked up by Alsa on the backend and should therefore show in AlsaTune with volume sliders for all channels. Also any pure toggles related to it will show in Alsatoggle.

@rations, my thinking on the iso is evolving as we talk...I like the idea of doing two versions of AT and going all out on a max version, you mentioned folks have strong opinions on DAW's which I totally get, that's why I make a "mini" version of Vuu-do with just the infrastructure and no major programs, and now i'm thinking that might be a better way to go than choosing a DAW. Possibly set-up with an extended version of AT with some sort of Jack overlay, set up to be plug and play with most any DAW the user chooses, and some typical utilities for such work.

The EQ bypass is an excellent idea, and should be easy to do, nice low-effort but impactful add-on.

Gotta say, it's kind of funny, reading the logs after testing various media players, and every one of them howling repeatedly : "OMG could not connect to Pipewire, can't find Pulseaudio server, trying again....OMG they don't exist, woe is us.......falling back to alsa..." and then the dang things work just fine.

Ya know, it's really not a "dependency" if it's not required for normal operation, it should be a recommends or suggests, calling it a dependency is disingenuous and doesn't inspire much confidence, crap like that is why I make my own.

@beate, well when you first posted that question I kind of shrugged it off as being beyond the design goals of this simple app, but interestingly the Alsa EQ does indeed offer stereo control of the EQ bands on the backend, if you open a terminal and: alsamixer -D equal, you can use keyboard controls (Q,Z,E,C) to raise/lower the left and right channels individually.

Having spent the last 3 days working on implementing dual-sliders for the mixer controls that can be adjusted separately and a way to link/unlink them, I know exactly how I could do the same for the EQ channels pretty much....it is interesting and tempting, but again I feel like i'm allowing some feature-creep into this app, it's already way past what I envisioned. But maybe a special version just to try it....;)

I must say an overdue thanks to all who have weighed in on this discussion, your help and suggestions have really been huge, and a lot of AT's current functions are thanks to your input! Cheers!

Since you asked...and keeping in mind i'm a sample size of one and do not speak for others, in general i'd prefer to have as few running as possible. I can't imagine having to use 3 just to get sound when in fact it's possible to use none at all.

That being said my post will likely trigger a lecture from steve_v about the minimal ram usage of such things, lol.

Pipewire is fast becoming a thing of way too many tendrils for a simple sound server, this seems systemd-ish behavior to me.

Sorry, I forgot you live in the land down under, here ya go, is this better?:

˙xıs ʎʇuǝʍʇ puɐ puɐsnoɥʇ oʍʇ ɹɐǝʎ ǝɥʇ ɟo 'ɥʇɥƃıǝ ǝɥʇ ןıɹdɐ 'ʎɐpsǝupǝʍ sı ʎɐpoʇ

No worries about hijacking this thread, it is primarily about Xlibre, and any and all discussion of it and also any other experimental isos. I had actually hoped to inspire more testing and experimentation by making it in the first place, and the discussion has been very productive and interesting.

Yep. That's why I held off on suggesting removing it. I have a solution for muted channels and such, shame it doesn't work on DE's with a built-in mixer, maybe one of these days i'll get smart enough to figure out how to override 'em.