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#1 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-12 04:07:34

Thanks for posting again. Chances of migration success are best with a vanilla install. I think there is something to that effect in the notes. (Too tired to check atm.)

See you tomorrow.

#2 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-11 23:36:26

auanta wrote:
golinux wrote:

@auanta . . . perhaps you would like to collect all the little fixes you are discovering and publish them in md on our git? Or the forum?

I'll put them in git! smile

Great! Would be very useful for those who are just arriving. All the info is documented *somewhere* but having it in one place would be quite handy!

#3 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-11 22:23:17

@auanta . . . perhaps you would like to collect all the little fixes you are discovering and publish them in md on our git? Or the forum?

#4 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-09 19:14:31

This is a post-lock addition to hopefully clarify some of the confused assumptions above . . .

Let's start with the first iteration of devuan.org in the current layout that Hellekin and I put together for our first public release of Devuan Jessie 1.0 Beta. Hopefully, it will put the issues brought up above into historical perspective. Have a look here:

http://web.archive.org/web/201606041517 … evuan.org/

At that time I didn't even know what git was! I was entirely concerned with the content, colors and layout of the site. Hellekin dealt with the technical complexities of making it happen. It was quite a partnership! You can see that all the navigation links were dumped on the index page. Also note that dev1fanboy's docs were in a format detached from the website proper and sourced from his git repo. This is the historical reason that remains of dev1fanboy's "wiki" are present in the documentation section. It was not some over-arching structural decision for the www workflow which has ALWAYS been from www BETA to LIVE or MASTER or whatever it was called at the time.

When Hellekin moved on, I took over www and eventually all public-facing web content went through me, even dev1fanboy's and fsmithred's and the docs that rrq and I crafted for the install disk(s). I had a LOT of catching up to do but eventually managed to gain enough git pointy-clicky proficiency to accomplish all the public-facing upgrades to ascii and beowulf documentation as needed.

I also redesigned the site over the years to have a proper nav bar and trimmed content down to the minimal needed. Mostly it consisted of rearranging/compacting/rewriting and eliminating redundancies of information already available. Please do take a tour on web.archive.org to see how the site morphed over the years.

Then I just burned out - partly due to age; partly due to the enormous workload - and Xenguy stepped up to take over www beginning with Chimaera (though I still provided the matching default colors).

I should have thought to write this brief history of www earlier but now that the issue came up, I finally mustered the focus to put things into historical perspective. I do hope that it helps to clarify how we got to where we are.

Any questions? Start a new thread.

#5 Re: Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-08 13:56:57

Reminder: This is a technical forum. Not group therapy.

#6 Installation » Revised migration page on www » 2022-08-08 00:56:36

golinux
Replies: 17

Recent user feedback prompted some revisions to the Migrate from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera page on devuan.org.

In addition to classic, hands-on manual instructions there are now 2 more prominently highlighted scripts to partially automate the process.

Please review, test if possible and provide constructive feedback if warranted.

Not included on the revised www page but worth a mention here for those who use ansible is jaromil's debian-to-devuan-ansible-role.yaml for the non-interactive migration of Debian 11 "Bullseye" to Devuan 4 "Chimaera".

#8 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 23:00:44

Dutch_Master wrote:

There's always the wayback archive wink

I fixed it.  It was missing the final "l" in the html.  Might have been just htm at the time. I fixed aitor's link and it works now. Takes me back almost 10 years when the debate was raging . . .

#9 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 22:55:24

Yes, that was it but sadly, that link died years ago. sad  It was reposted on a site but I can't remember the name atm. It might no longer exist . . .

#10 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 20:03:07

GNUser wrote:

I bumped into this the other day and found it to be the best and most level-headed criticism of systemd I've yet seen:
http://landley.net/notes-2014.html#23-04-2014
It's worth reading.

There were other excellent critiques written at the time. I remember one by Jude Nelson in particular but it all fell on deaf ears. The Debian GR vote put the nail in the coffin of init diversity in Debian. For those of you who weren't here to  live through it, the following analyses are "required reading":

Combatting revisionist history by dasein on the Debian forum
Open letter to the Linux World by Christoper Barry on the LKML.

#11 Re: Installation » [Solved] desktop and minimal live isos not booting on usb » 2022-08-05 19:45:03

Happy to hear you're up and running and that you think it is "beautiful". The screen resolution stuff may have to do with the fact that the minimal live was designed for visually impaired access. Yeah, hardware can bite sometimes.  smile

#12 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 15:49:11

I think this topic has run its course . . . smile

#13 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 15:06:52

tomasz wrote:
golinux wrote:

@tomasz . . .  What we choose with each intentional action sets the course of our life. Easy to shoot oneself in the foot so best to choose wisely . . .

Hard to disagree. But the filter situation also means that if I have something to share with you, it will be published on Debian's Salsa.

Some things are not meant to be . . . smile

#14 Re: Other Issues » How to boot the minimal-live from USB? » 2022-08-05 14:20:36

auanta wrote:
golinux wrote:

It might boot UEFI though.  wink


couldn't resist . . .

I don't get it . . .

I was poking at your typo.

#15 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 14:14:25

@tomasz . . .  What we choose with each intentional action sets the course of our life. Easy to shoot oneself in the foot so best to choose wisely . . .

#16 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 03:36:07

@auanta . . . Have you actually looked at the website? The Explore page in the navbar lists all the documentation included in the website and some links point to resources elsewhere.

There is also a lot of practical documentation on this very forum as well as the DNG mail list.

#17 Re: Other Issues » How to boot the minimal-live from USB? » 2022-08-05 02:51:21

It might boot UEFI though.  wink


couldn't resist . . .

#18 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-04 16:00:43

ComputerBob wrote:

I can find NO INSTRUCTIONS ANYWHERE for how to INSTALL the Refracta-created .ISO -- all I ever see is articles all over the internet that tell how to CREATE the .ISO, and a few forum posts, here and there, that mention "just install the .ISO and you're good to go!"

Would someone please explain how to install the .ISO, so that I can restore Devuan to my hard drive?

Try https://refracta.org/documents.html

#19 Re: Forum Feedback » How about adding Index >> Discuss >> "Init System"? » 2022-08-04 15:35:56

Altoid wrote:

Fortunately and for the time being Devuan is doing quite alright with what the devs and maintainers have on their respective plates, kudos to them. I say for the time being because in the present situation, nothing is a given.

Keeping Devuan Linux working in spite of the systemd onslaught on the Linux ecosystem takes a lot of work.

Yes . . . your assumption is correct . . . but we are a small team of individuals so the "bus factor" hangs over our heads. There is always "thrashing" in the community but very little interest in actually participating in the process. This model is not sustainable long term. Unless the community stops jawing and starts doing . . .

#20 Re: Forum Feedback » How about adding Index >> Discuss >> "Init System"? » 2022-08-04 15:21:33

There is currently a discussion on the DNG mail list and skarnet is in the mix. It is a moderated list. Sign up and your first post will appear when I release it.

On this forum a thread in the Devuan topic would probably suffice,

As to whether there are enough init-knowledgeable users here . . . that remains to be seen. I predict a lot of thrashing . . .  big_smile

#22 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 20:31:06

tomasz wrote:
golinux wrote:

I see now that this change was made to an incompletely updated file - that line was added but the other release references on the page were not updated and the page never transitioned to the Devuan website. Totally a screwup on our end to have missed that.

I can't tell, which line was added. Do you mean
this commit?

Yes, that line. `root@debian:~# apt-get install eudev sysvinit-core`. sysvinit-core was added to that line but never made it into the instructions on the website.

tomasz wrote:

I can't find your version anywhere in git. Was there a pull request?

The funky version  - bullseye-to-chimaera.md - is listed on this page which is not even edited properly for chimaera!

tomasz wrote:

The web site doesn't seem to mirror this repo at all.

This looks bad indeed. I think you should suspend this feature asap until it's fixed and tested well.

The website repo is HERE. I always worked directly on www but the new web person is doing it a different way (which I never understood).  Seems it might need a rethink if important stuff like this is falling through the cracks . . .

#23 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 19:06:21

auanta wrote:

Maybe you can enlist me in the migration testing. What do I need to do? @golinux

Thanks for the offer, auanta. I am waiting for the Webmaster to sort it and upload the corrected instructions to devuan.org. I'll let you know when that's sorted.

#24 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 18:48:31

tomasz wrote:

@golinux
2. You didn't link an url in the markup. Please update.

Ha . . . forgot to add the URL to the markdown.  Fixed.

tomasz wrote:

3. This is not a good moment for me to test the migration. I might not finish this task soon. Please ask someone reliable.

It will be tested when it's tested. At least we are now aware of the problem so thanks for the helpful input.

(golinux waits to hear from Xenguy . . . )

#25 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 17:24:34

@tomasz . . . I think I found the problem!

The instructions should begin with this:

# Migrate from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera

It's necessary to [configure your network](network-configuration.md) before you begin, otherwise you will lose network access during the migration.

For migration from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera you need to install sysvinit-core before continuing.

root@debian:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core

. . .

I see now that this change was made to an incompletely updated file - that line was added but the other release references on the page were not updated and the page never transitioned to the Devuan website. Totally a screwup on our end to have missed that.

Would it be possible for you to test a migration adding that instruction?

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