After I update or (rarely) reboot, first thing I do is take a quick look a xsession-errors then delete it.

@zapper . . . IIUC . . . that is surely not a given . . . Client Side Decorations locks in the look and feel of the desktop. A "nocsd" package has allowed us to do that for years. They are just tightening the noose . . .

That seems to be one of the best refuges available but since I am not an active git user these days, I have no personal experience. As to moving off our current git . . . low priority because it still works . . .

@greenjeans . . . Let's see where things go in the coming years. Currently things seem to be working through Excalibur and I will be on Chimaera until it is EOL. My personal trajectory . . . by the time I work my way through Daedalus and Excalibur I will be getting very close to 90! Strangely, I find comfort in that thought . . .

Also remember that Devuan has always been Debian without systemd. So a radical change to other applications like the DE would require a major shift in standing policy and that would require extensive discussion and feedback.

There is hope! A little birdie told me that Xfce may be on the chopping block because of the UI and other changes . . .

I'm not there yet - still on Chimaera - but would like to know if it Is it possible to run Librewolf and firefox at the same time? I sort of remember trying it once and it wasn't possible . . . Thanks.

I still use a classic roller-ball mouse! Old habits die hard . . .

@greenjeans . . . That is very true and probably the logic behind them still being in their current position. Please share your perspective with Xenguy on IRC #devuan-www where this was being discussing earlier today wrt the presentation on devuan.org.

Translation of the above . . .

It's not on https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt

Neither is it found in our package list https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … *&x=submit

IOW . . . Devuan does not know that viber exists so there is no expectation that it would work . . .

That's what "suspend" is for. I can go for a VERY long time w/o having to reboot. 

Morning steve_v . . .

I should have said that I only mentioned a FEW of the tasks that are currently not being addressed/maintained. In part, that is because I am still happily on chimaera and dreading the day I will have to deal with more current obstacles.

Sadly, the dev channels are mostly silent and there is little new blood stepping up to provide redundancy and skills going forward. Feel free to be part of the solution.