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#1 Re: Installation » Anacron symlinked to "true", again. » Yesterday 23:17:52

quick note: I think your IV and V are in wrong order: init executes /etc/init.d/rcS because that's what /etc/inittab says. That file is the configuration for init.

Please continue smile

EDIT: Actually, you skipped over the pre-pivot stage, which is the initial bootup (adding .1 to your III) using the initrd filesystem.

The kernel begins by running its /init which is a shell script, and that script will eventually pivot the root to the "real" filesystem and exec /sbin/init. The initrd scripting is held in /usr/share/initramfs-tools which is a configuration place for building an initrd, since the actual, running initrd is the cpio package loaded from /boot into RAM by the kernel (using the initrd= parameter).

afaik most linux systems have that 2-stage boot, to allow the bootup to be programmed generically even though every actual bootup is a specific host. It's quite possible to set up the bootup for the specific host without using an initrd stage but then typically it needs a specific kernel with the right modules compiled in.

#2 Re: Documentation » SysVinit file for MySQL » 2022-06-23 22:45:21

True. And the OP may also have their good reasons for not using mariadb, which is the "product line" that is supported within the Devuan context (well, Debian context really, since it's not forked).

#4 Re: Installation » fresh devuan install fails with debootstrap chroot warning » 2022-06-14 15:59:02

The most common mistake for an "expert" installer is to skip the "load components" (or similar) step.

Does that fit your use case?

#5 Re: Off-topic » Your thoughts on: TheCaseForTheUsrMerge » 2022-06-10 21:50:16

Respectfully, these "works for me" anecdotes seem rather small-minded and useless, pretty much  like the whole idea itself.

Personally I'm in no way confused by having multiple directories with programs and libraries, and I imagine that the likelihood of confusing something or someone is larger with making this kind of change than not changing.

The idea is a matter of choice, and the main stigma is in the question of who should make the choice.

In many ways it's similar to that choice of excluding /sbin and /usr/sbin from non-root user's default setup; a choice which in my view is equally stupid.

But I don't make these choices. I merely learn to live with them.

#6 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /etc/crontab and etc/cron.d » 2022-05-29 20:43:18

Well, five * like that actually means "run every minute", and generally it looks fine, so it really should work fine provided that
a) the pathnames are fully correct (also in letter casing), and
b) the file does end with at least one newline.

#8 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » undesireable Motherboard config changes to time and fan settings » 2022-05-19 20:18:13

Somehow it seems your machine has a disagreement about whether the hardware clock is UTC or localtime, perhaps between the bios and the kernel. Maybe that it ticks in localtime and your kernel believes that to be UTC, so it applies TZ distance "again".

#9 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Script printout format assistance » 2022-05-15 08:22:26

@Altoid, quite possibly the MemAvailable measure has lost its most significant digit (it's rather unusual to have more free than available memory), and maybe you should consider replacing

_memavail=$(grep -i memavailable /proc/meminfo | cut -c 19-27)    # OK no cats harmed
_memfree=$(grep -i memfree /proc/meminfo | cut -c 19-27)          # OK no cats harmed

with something else, like e.g.

_memavail=$(sed '/memavailable/I!d;s/[^0-9]*//;q' /proc/meminfo)    # OK no cats or cuts
_memfree=$(sed '/memfree/I!d;s/[^0-9]*//;q' /proc/meminfo)          # OK no cats or cuts

EDIT: (though maybe I'm wrong about what memfree and memavailable means?)

#10 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] sudoers file for 'service' » 2022-05-07 00:53:54

I think you (again?) are confused by groucho not having /usr/sbin in PATH (and not /sbin).

It's not a sudo issue; /usr/sbin/service is happily being executed by any user, although the start and stop of services may well require root.

#11 Re: Installation » how to install linux biowulf » 2022-05-03 02:37:25

Usually "install linux beowulf" would mean to use an installer ISO which then kicks in already on the boot-up of the machine.

Presumably you think of doing something else and you may then need to explain in some more detail what you mean.

In particular "installation through the command line" implies you are running an OS. which?

#12 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Backported package install with unmet dependency » 2022-05-03 02:23:57

Perhaps you'll need to upgrade the i386 version at the same time, by adding libzstd1:i386/beowulf-backports to the install line?

#13 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] rsyncd - permission issue » 2022-05-01 01:44:37

Afaiui a destination phrase rsync://groucho@ tells the rsync server to become user groucho and then interpret what the "stuff" module is. As man rsync tells me at (my) lilne 202: the first word of the "path" is actually a module name.

To that end rsync will want a declaration in the applicable rsyncd.conf at the server end which in particular would provide the desired path prefix /stuff for the stuff module, but presumably that doesn't exist. But from the log file, it looks like it results in the /stuff bit (the module bit) is consumed and then a destination path prefix / is used.

In short, you might have some luck using rsync://groucho@ as destination path, on the idea that the first /stuff bit nominates the module and the second /stuff bit nominates the path suffix relative to the default module path prefix, /. Of course, if the server is happy with more random module name, you should use something else than /stuff just to reduce the confusion, maybe rsync://groucho@

#14 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Driver for Broadcom BCM4312 wifi Card » 2022-04-24 08:14:49

No worries. I think the following command sequence would work also after installing a non-default kernel:

# apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
# apt-get install --reinstall broadcom-sta-dkms

(the # is just a prompt to mark that you run the commands as root)

The first command is for installing the header files relating to the current kernel version, and the second is for triggering the broadcom kernel module building for that kernel version.

#15 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Driver for Broadcom BCM4312 wifi Card » 2022-04-24 02:47:00

Your sources.list point should have been fine for finding broadcom-sta-dkms in chimaera/non-free. It would be wrong to add deb chimaera/non-free amd64 and apt-get would have told so upon update. So I'm afraid I cannot explain why the package seemingly appeared following your addition of that and not before-hand; possibly it was that you hadn't actually updated before or something.

Anyhow I think your previous idea about the source list points was more workable, and there is no difference in format or interpretation or use between Devuan and Debian.

As to architectures, normally apt will keep meta information for all installed architectures; most usually the single installed architecture, but nowadays many systems are of "multiarch" kind and thus having software for multiple architectures. If you would want it to keep meta information about other architectures than the installed one(s), you either mangle architecture parameters (in a square-bracketed phrase just after deb) on the source list lines, or you set up an APT::Architectures apt configuration setting.

It is also a point that Devuan offers all of Debian's packages except those that are noted in and in most cases the actual package files (the .deb) are directly retrieved from Debian's repositories. Only a few packages are rebuilt and repackaged so as to make them usable on systems without systemd, and only those packages are provided from Devuan's repository pool.

Your "long-winded install command" collapses into requesting 3 packages for installation. The command should work on a Devuan system in the same way as a Debian system; it installs:

  • package linux-image-$ARCH for the architecture $ARCH of the running kernel,

  • package linux-headers-$ARCH for the $ARCH of the running kernel, and

  • broadcom-sta-dkms

I would suggest that it's not exactly the right thing to do, since it builds a broadcom kernel module for the default kernel version rather than for the current kernel version, and it also forces installations of those default image and header meta packages. If you e.g. would run a back-ported kernel, then the command wont install the headers for that and the subsequent kernel module building may find itself being in trouble.

Rather, you would use uname -r to print out the exact version $VERSION and then install the linux-header-$VERSION package for that before installing broadcom-sta-dkms.

#17 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » help me please install FVWM95 on Ceres » 2022-04-22 06:50:46

Firstly, I have to assume that you prepared that startfvwm95 script/program to run the binary, which by default installs into /usr/local/bin/fvwm95. Probably fine.

Next you are obviously entering a software maintenance mode which involves fixing "bugs" in the software to adapt it to the current X11 environment, and that's not something I want to commit to be involved in. I see there is a readme file regarding FvwmTaskbar; possibly related.

Good luck.

#18 Re: Other Issues » Firejail security concerns » 2022-04-21 02:30:58

You might possibly enjoy overlay-boot in Devuan's experimental repository.
It's a couple of scripts using unshare for namespace separation.

Add the following line to your sources.list for installing it

deb experimental main

#19 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » help me please install FVWM95 on Ceres » 2022-04-20 20:29:32


So the second option is that "if the argument $1 matches xfce4 or matches * (aka anything), then use startxfce4". That makes the remaining ones mere decoration.

For sure you meant them to be in a different order.

#20 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » help me please install FVWM95 on Ceres » 2022-04-18 22:09:38

You seem to have include file(s) in /usr/local/include that disturb the process. Maybe you can move them away somewhere and try again?

E.g, first error in LOG says

/usr/local/include/X11/Xlib.h:5:8: error: unknown type name ‘XFontStruct’

which is odd since XFontStruct is defined in /usr/include/XLib.h (line 1052) from libx11-dev=2:1.7.5-1

Therefore I'm guessing you have some remnants from trials/experimentations in /usr/local/include

EDIT: Thought to mention:

  • I downloaded fvwm95-2.0.43f.tar.gz and unpacked that into /usr/local/src/fvwm95-2.0.43f/ for building

  • ran ./configure, then make repeatedly while dealing with its errors, resulting in pulling in those libraries and some minor edits to:

    1. modules/FvwmIconMan/FvwmIconMan.c

    2. modules/FvwmScroll/GrabWindow.c

    3. modules/FvwmTaskBar/Goodies.c

With that it compiles (with lots of warnings) for me, and I don't know how well it runs.

#21 Re: Devuan » script depreciated? » 2022-04-17 22:41:09

Good idea. The next steps towards that would be to

  1. get the software held as a project at the Devuan Git Store,, and

  2. enjoy and digest … aintainers

The old devuan/setnet project is still there but it hasn't been touched for some 3 years and it sure needs a new, active maintainer. I would suggest you discuss details with LeePen over IRC at #devuan-dev on

#22 Re: Off-topic » Is wayland the new systemd ? » 2022-04-16 00:31:51

IMO Wayland is not at all an improvement over X.

E.g: … land_and_X

I thought the language in that comparison is quite balanced although with a hint of the author(s) "favouring Wayland".

In my reading it makes the point that the functional overlap between Wayland and X11 is small, but generally they are ideas based on rather different understandings of the computational platform/architecture.

So I'm thinking that any competition between them would be more in whether and which of those understandings better serves the purpose of end users benefiting of FOSS, and that's a political rather than technical discussion.

#23 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » help me please install FVWM95 on Ceres » 2022-04-13 00:04:13

Firstly, when building you should use "make |& tee LOG" so that all output is captured in LOG. That makes it possible to review it all in more details.

In this case you will need to find the "error: ..." lines to figure out what the main problems are. All the warnings should really be tended to as well, but they doesn't stop the compilation.

I mostly got missing include files and needed to install:

# apt-get install libx11-dev libxpm-dev libxext-dev libxt-dev xbitmaps libxmu-headers

plus a light manual touch to remove some misplaced "##", and

now it looks like the link recipe of the Makefile needs polishing as well.

#24 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Running a VPN from normal user privilege » 2022-04-06 21:27:51

The networking part of the client, i.e. creating a tap interface and manipulating the routing set up, requires root, so the client must run as root anyhow.

#25 Re: Other Issues » Android studio real in Devuan? » 2022-04-04 06:19:15

You download that linux tar.gz, android-studio-2021.1.1.22-linux.tar.gz
un-tar it at your favourite place, then follow its instruction (to run
You can do all this as "normal user", i.e. you don't need to be root.
And then it'll keep downloading stuff .. some 6G maybe.
Seems to work fine (on chimaera).

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