GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

steve_v · 2025-07-10 07:12:43

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html

I'll be nice to zapper just as soon as he stops calling people names. It's obnoxious.

Also, @blackhole: Ahh, a nice refreshing glass of reason in this desert of politics and vitriol. +∞

Last edited by steve_v (2025-07-10 07:17:36)

zapper · 2025-07-10 07:25:35

@steve_v and I will give you respect when you stop acting like an ass.

steve_v · 2025-07-10 07:30:30

Why thank you, the donkey is a noble creature, hard-working and uncomplaining.
As for your respect... vOv? Do I sound like I care?

zapper · Yesterday 02:42:21

@steve_v I normally don't say this, but I am not going to be insulted by reading your trash post.

If you want to torment people, don't expect them to take it.

You are rather tiresome and I don't wish to play games with you. Just stop posting. I dislike you more each time you post.

Just accept we won't get along anytime you go at me.

I will give you worse flack if I must.

You are nothing more than a doppleganger. You feed off of my suffering. Get lost.

Btw, one last thing, I have donated to projects before.

Hyperbola (More than 2K not kidding!)
Libreboot
Noscript
Trisquel (long ago very!)
Palemoon
and I forget what else

So I don't think parasite is appropriate for me.

Might be you, I don't really know if you donate ever.

There are projects worth supporting, but Desktop Environments with flashy eye candy is on the bottom of my list.

Window managers? Some.

Anywho, I am done adding my last bits. I am unsubscribing from this mess, I don't know if I will look back to see what you wrote or not. You are such an unforgivably vindictive person.

Last edited by zapper (Yesterday 02:55:13)

greenjeans · Yesterday 03:13:51

FFS knock it off. Put that energy into creating something. I know Steve does some amazing work, and you've both been with us since the early days, can we just put differences aside and focus on making Devuan the best that it can be?

Lawd knows i'm no paragon of virtue, but i'm trying to be better. Can we not work together to create new and better things?

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · Yesterday 04:51:02

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbaya

zapper · Yesterday 07:45:10

@greenjeans I admit I have my own issues, but I don't like being condemned every damn time I come on here to say something.

I would like to have peace, but I find it unlikely since he likes to poke at me even when I am just making a thread that has zippo to do with him.

GNOME, alt right wingers, redhat. I dislike all three of them and he cannot accept that people need a place to vent about them.

Which is why, I dislike him so, he won't let me vent without throwing his piss on me.

Anywho, I very much hope peace can be found. But I am kind of skeptical given most of what he does is try to start stuff.

blackhole · Yesterday 07:52:06

Back on topic.

I don't see gnome project's actions and future plans as anything new or startling.

gnome is developed by people either in the corporate employ and/or under corporate direction. I have honestly never understood or seen the point in it, but there it us. It has been developed and offered as a brand/product for over a decade now and most people who have been using Linux for a few years will know whether or not they want to use it or avoid it altogether.

gnome project developers famously stated on their mailing lists that they wanted to restrict themining, installing and choosing non default applications and modifying the appearance. It's a stated goal of the project that someone looking over the shoulder of a gnome user can instantly see that they are using gnome (as is the case with Windows or macOS).

For the gnome project, the old "we're dropping support for xyz [to push users onto abc] because of [all these man power and maintenance related reasonings]" is just normal day to day workflow. Your only choice is to vote with your feet. As you will learn from the OpenBSD project: if you're not a developer, you don't get to make the decisions - we are "along for the ride".

Last edited by blackhole (Yesterday 07:52:25)

steve_v · Yesterday 09:18:32

gnome is developed by people either in the corporate employ and/or under corporate direction. I have honestly never understood or seen the point in it, but there it us.

Money, obviously. Mostly from RedHat, and a few other commercial entities with interest in a desktop GNU/Linux product. Having a cohesive, tightly controlled, recognisable GUI environment - one GUI environment - is a pretty big part of that, and cruical to offering the likes of RHEL for both servers and workstations. GNOME and freedesktop are RedHat these days, and systemd+wayland+pipewire+GNOME(+LGPL/MIT licencing) is what RedHat envisages a user-friendly, sellable and support(contract)-able Linux desktop to be.

Your only choice is to vote with your feet. As you will learn from the OpenBSD project: if you're not a developer, you don't get to make the decisions - we are "along for the ride".

Indeed... Though with FOSS the "developer or not" bit is still somewhat less black-and-white than it is with commercial software. You can patch or fork and be your own "developer" if you have the motivation, but often it's (artifically) difficult enough that "walk away, go do (or use) something else" is the smarter choice.

What these (relatively) modern "open source" organisations are doing is trying to have thier cake and eat it - i.e. benefit from free code by unpaid "not a developer" contributors, while also gatekeeping all the decision making. Come to think of it, much the same thing Redhat was trying to get rolling 20 years ago.
That's what most of the co-ordinated attacks on forks, alternatives, and even silly little things like application theming are really about. What's ours is ours, and what's yours is also ours, you will eat what we give you and be grateful. Because we have more money, more developers, and more to gain from branding and vendor lock-in. Politics is a smokescreen, it's all about image, money and control.
Oh look how they flip out when somebody, uninvited, dares to play with one of "their" bigger toys. See how quickly Godwin's law, cancel-culture, and plain-old slander are mobilised to shut it down.

You can accept this situation as status-quo and get on with life, you can go somewhere that hasn't been infiltrated (yet) and hope it holds out, or you can wear the hair-shirt of "desktop GNU/Linux 15 years ago" (i.e. lots of choice, but also lots of work and lots of jank) by sticking with the original FOSS spirit and becoming a developer, amongst the many projects small enough and esoteric enough to escape notice and remain the domain of the true software nerds...

Or one can just rage ineffectually about it all I guess - but it won't achieve anything, and I'm pretty sure this board isn't meant as a therapy session.

Last edited by steve_v (Yesterday 09:34:50)

golinux · Yesterday 14:58:34

zapper wrote:

I would like to have peace . . .

"Peace" is not 'out there' and dependent on someone else's actions. Let criticism roll off like water on a duck's back . . .

zapper · Today 01:53:32

@golinux perhaps true, but he definitely tries to antagonize me.

I am glad I unsubscribed so I only have to see this problem if I want to.

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · Today 05:58:11

there is no spoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI

one gives themselves peace

others mostly bring violence

refuse to engage and/or obey _enough_ and many will attempt to destroy the peacefully non-compliant

as always, your mileage will vary

zapper · Today 06:11:41

@stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn

What are you talking about?

I am lost. This seems like irrelevant banter.

Correct me though if I am wrong.

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · Today 07:50:31

mostly thinking along the lines of @golinux at reply #60 regarding "peace"

golinux · Today 15:37:23

To put it another way . . .

There can be no offense when none is taken.

greenjeans · Today 18:22:09

*greenjeans closes eyes*

OMMMMMMMMMM....OMMMMMMMMMM.....

The officially official Devuan Forum!

#51 2025-07-10 07:12:43

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#52 2025-07-10 07:25:35

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#53 2025-07-10 07:30:30

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#54 Yesterday 02:42:21

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#55 Yesterday 03:13:51

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#56 Yesterday 04:51:02

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#57 Yesterday 07:45:10

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#58 Yesterday 07:52:06

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#59 Yesterday 09:18:32

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#60 Yesterday 14:58:34

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#61 Today 01:53:32

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#62 Today 05:58:11

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#63 Today 06:11:41

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#64 Today 07:50:31

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#65 Today 15:37:23

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

#66 Today 18:22:09

Re: GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

Board footer