GNOME is taking the scum bag approach still...

zapper · 2025-06-21 14:25:37

@steve_v I have had no problems with Xenocara.

But you certainly are being very harsh. Maybe, chill?

That to me is childish.

Just sayin...

steve_v · 2025-06-21 14:34:10

being very harsh.

scum bag... stupid... arrogant... a-hole... fascist...
Oh wait, that wasn't me saying those things, was it.

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brocashelm · 2025-06-21 22:47:43

Some useful information here:

https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/XlibreOnArtix

zapper · 2025-06-22 15:49:14

@steve_v yes, that is true I suppose. Although, I was talking about people who actually are intending to be those things. You are talking about people who aren't intending to be.

So there is that.

brocashelm · 2025-06-26 22:56:26

The GNOME blog article going off about "fascist maggots" was taken down (out of shame), but you can read the latest archived version here.

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golinux · 2025-06-26 23:36:27

Good grief . . . that is one sick puppy! I'm sooo happy in my cave!

greenjeans · 2025-06-27 01:16:37

Holy crap, wtf is wrong with those people???

golinux · 2025-06-27 02:33:14

Social media is my guess . . .

Devarch · 2025-06-27 13:39:57

The GNOME blog article going off about "fascist maggots" was taken down (out of shame), but you can read the latest archived version here.

You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on. - for me it's like and end signal to stop reading

tux_99 · 2025-06-27 17:49:33

That article seems like a collection of all the usual buzzwords and expressions a certain political fringe group likes to throw around when they are throwing a tantrum...

It makes me sad to see how immature and brainwashed some people are.

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brocashelm · 2025-06-27 19:06:33

GNOME is such a bad joke. Remember when they started a "campaign" against theme makers? All in an ill attempt to claim GTK for themselves... Glad I went back to GTK2 (only stuff like LibreWolf are GTK3, which I unfortunately need to supplement Pale Moon's inability to load a lot of modern Web sites that are bloated).

Also, I highly recommend reading through the original SpaceFM maintainer IgnorantGuru's blog post about GNOME here. It was published way back on November 5, 2012, yet so much of what's written still rings true to this day -- in fact, they've only gotten much worse. A great read, still. The guy mentioning he "doesn't know what Xfce is or does" is the cherry on top.

golinux · 2025-06-27 19:56:04

+1000 to IgnorantGuru!!! I can't count how many times I have shared his "gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes" since it was written. Those of us who were paying attention could see the steamroller coming . . .

greenjeans · 2025-06-27 20:25:52

I saw that steamroller coming the week they rolled out gnome 3 and somebody rolled up a test iso, I tried it being excited because I really enjoyed gnome 2, my gawd it was awful. And it's even worse now years later...

"You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on..."

^^^And right ****ing there we see who the real fascists are.

greenjeans · 2025-06-27 20:32:12

Stop theming our apps, it messes with our "brands"...i'm too freakin' sure...spoiled children who have no idea what free software is about, shit like that is why i'm focusing on trying to make my own apps these days.

zapper · 2025-06-28 01:08:46

I don't like corporate nonsense or fascist nonsense. GNOME devs are very low on the integrity bar for sure. Although... so are people who use woke as a negative.

Woke means awake and nothing else. It doesn't mean the opposite of based unless people have brain damage.

There is so much stupid dogmatic internet slang for fascism that needs to disappear. Woke, Based consoomer and other stupid stuff like that just gives me a headache.

people like Luke Smith encourage this dumb slang and I detest it. Not to mention their artwork of old people and green fbi agents, frog animations, etc...

Just a very annoying list of crap. The internet has enough bad slang without all of that being added.

This is one of the reasons I cannot stand people like Luke Smith and Bryan Lunduke and other similar parasitic people.

Its also ironic that right wingers now claim to be for linux, when they are the ones who tried to crush the movement of linux in the first place!

Irony, irony, irony...

Anyways, this rant is brought to you by many headaches and beyond.

greenjeans · 2025-06-28 14:02:11

Greenjeans <<old school egalitarian, contrarian, wordsmith

"Woke" as a pejorative. In the first place not only do people use this word in a grammatically incorrect way, they have co-opted the very meaning and used it in a slangy, illiterate manner.

So is it any wonder that other people choose to co-opt the meaning themselves and use it in a grammatically incorrect way i.e. as a pejorative?

I encourage folks to get off the internet any time it starts making you angry, and go read a book, maybe watch a nature show on TV, go for a walk in the woods, go fishing, do something that re-connects you to the REAL world.

Politics is out of control, and a whole of lot of evil people have sown deep divisions in this world, the only way we win is not through violence and harsh language, but by refusing to play their games. By being kind and tolerant of each other.

DominationCircle · 2025-07-03 05:05:10

Build instructions for Devuan Excalibur from the XLibre mailing list:

https://www.freelists.org/post/xlibre/C … pendencies

blackhole · 2025-07-09 08:26:10

@zapper, If the developer of xlibre is a fascist, that should make no difference to you. Unless you live in a makeshift shelter in a forest and grow and hunt all your own food, never see a doctor, use any medicine, etc, then fascists could be involved in the supply chain of everything you use and consume on a daily basis.

Also, claiming someone is a "fascist" without providing reliable citations to back that up, is pretty much slander - and not so different from the tactics employeed in so called "cancel culture". Some supposedly very "woke" individuals tried that approach with Theodore Ts'o several years ago. "Useful idiots" abound, waiting to do the dirty work of big corporations, while believing they are fighting the good fight for social justice.

On the other hand, I doubt the gnome project are fascists - yet they spout the same woke nonsense as all other "Big Tech", because of course they are bankrolked and controlled by the aforementioned. If you are in fact "left wing" as you seem to claim to be, then the first step to enlightenment is gaining the understanding that "woke" and similar is a massive contrived smokescreen of indentity politics nonsenese, which skirts around the real problems in this world, to provide a devisive distraction to the electorate. While anyone is focused on the woke agenda, they will miss the bigger picture, while they are focused on the politics of free software development they may as well live in a cave. Most of the notable FOSS projects which started out as small hobby projects and embodied what free software was supposed to be about are now owned / controlled / funded / staffed / all of the above, by Big Tech. Even Microsoft is a player - who would have believed that 20 years ago? That ship has already sailed. Railing against, the admittedly deplorable, gnome project, is tantamount to raging at the sky.

brocashelm · 2025-07-09 10:26:00

Recently, a group of neofascist reactionaries announced a fork of the X.org server which, amongst other things, has introduced new security bugs into the X server they forked from X.org

Written by this individual:
index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8399.0;attach=3801;image

golinux · 2025-07-09 15:35:27

I wish I could unsee that . . .

blackhole · 2025-07-09 17:08:12

Too much agenda driven bullshit proliferating nowadays...

zapper · 2025-07-10 06:27:32

@blackhole in my experience, only fascists use rhetoric like based (as positive) or woke (as negative)

Neither of those words are being used in their correct context. the dev of xlibre used woke in that sense. So just to be clear, that is a mega red flag already.

even without anything else. Although xlibre might be fine. I don't know if I can trust alt righ twingers to do coding correctly.

Besides, isn't Xenocara also available? and that is developed by really good coders.

OpenBSD devs though toxic, are really good at coding.

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steve_v · 2025-07-10 06:53:56

Neither of those words are being used in their correct context.

Syntax matters when it comes to code quality, semantics and politics do not.

I don't know if I can trust alt righ twingers to do coding correctly.

I don't know if I can trust people who put more emphasis on politics, "red flags" and similar buzzword rhetoric, and linguistic hair-splitting than code quality to present a rational argument one way or the other.

isn't Xenocara also available

Sure. I await your reasoned (read: technical rather than political) argument for one over the other (also your xenocara debian packages, sans BSD-specific code) with bated breath.